jwh-250

[IamMe90]

on jwh 250 i will note that it has the most disgusting tasting and smelling smoke ever. at first it didn't really bother me but the taste more and more makes me want to puke while smoking it haha.

 

[twelvesevndi]

I have experience and success with oral JWH-018 and -081.

Sublingual on a mint carrier (infused via alcohol) was completely inactive at 5x the smoked dose.

Vegetable oil (olive, to be specific) was NOT a good idea. Dose is similar to smoking (5-10mg) but it takes WAY TOO LONG to kick in which leads to overdose situations.

If you want to do oral JWH, it must be in short to medium-chain fatty acids, like those found in milkfat or coconut oil.

Get one stick of butter, the real cow milk kind, and melt in a saucepan just as you would for making cannabutter. Keep the heat low and stir often. Don't burn it! Simmer until most of the water content has left the butter.

Add the appropriately-weighed dose of JWH. Figure 1:1 your average smoking dose, and PLEASE consider tolerance in this! Don't overdose your friends. Be sure to write down the actual dose used, and multiply by the number of squares you plan to cut.

Once the JWH powder is fully dissolved (only a minute or two of stirring) take the butter off the heat and make a box of brownies, substituting the butter for the oil that it normally calls for. Remember that the butter should be cool before you mix in the eggs, or you'll make a scramble instead of a cake Bake as directed, cut into the number of squares you wrote down, and enjoy. Personally I use the hot butter to make a whole tray of dark chocolate fudge, which yields about 100 bite-sized squares with 10mg of JWH each.

I have found that with this method (MILKFAT!) the effects come on strong around 40 minutes in just like a true cannabrownie, but the duration depends on the specific JWH used (018 is longer than 250). Interestingly enough, it appears to work even on a full stomach.

ALWAYS LABEL ANY CONTAINER CONTAINING EDIBLE DRUGS! Two or three of these properly prepared treats will directly lead to overdose situation (whitey out, nausea, bad trip, whatever happens to you on a CB overdose)

Oh BTW the reason for the milkfat is because short chain fatty acids are sent to the liver for processing by a different enzyme than the ones that do longer chain unsaturated acids. short-chain acids are metabolized very quickly into energy for the body, so the drugs dissolved in them will be more predictably distributed to the bloodstream.

this is a lovely recipe thank you very much.

forgive my ignorance, but is there any reason to believe that Methoxetamine could be included with the jwh in the butter to noticeable effect?

 

[sekio]

Don't start mixing in dissocatives into your pot brownies. MXE is best absorbed under your tongue.

 

[twelvesevndi]

well i tried the brownie method with jwh-019 and it seems to have worked pretty well! I haven't yet done a heavy dose (without smoking cannabis) to tell for sure. but yeah seems to have worked. ~30 mg in this form eaten over an hour made me extremely sleepy which is usually what the 019 does when i smoke it so...afaik, success!

thanks!

still curious to know if this would work for mxe...i dislike insufflation but i think i would vomit if i tried sublingual.

 

[greenmeanies]

offtopic for this thread now, but i haven't done MXE insufflated, only sublingual this far. the taste is only bitter/sour for the first moment, then i really enjoy the numbing that begins after that

 

[Enter Galactic]

As solipsis said they are active orally without dissolving them in anything (doesn't mean brownies can't be a fun treat, but don't be an ass and sell them as cannabis brownies). Be aware that, at least with jwh-018, I found the oral dose to vary much more from person to person than vaporizing. The same size oral dose that did nothing for me gave my girlfriend a jwh panic attack, and she had experience smoking it just fine. Of course who knows how horribly off my mg scale could have been, but I have heard this before from other people. Also (and this has been said as well), do not re-dose! It can take 3-4 hours to kick in in my experience, so be careful with this.

 

[twelvesevndi]

^the point of the brownies is to put the cb in the milkfat because, according to greenmeanies, the cb will be distributed more quickly and predictably than eating the cb alone. eating straight butter is gross...hence the brownies.

the results were as expected using the lipid carrier... basically you want to eat it as if it were cannabis or marinol. both of those are active when eaten alone but behave the way you describe eating the jwh's alone: variable onset and hard to predict dosage. thus cannabutter exists.

 

[Enter Galactic]

My understanding is that when cooking with cannabis, the THC needs to be extracted and converted from THCA in order for it to be active orally (read this from wikipedia: Marijuana produces THCA, an acid with the carboxylic group (COOH) attached. In its acid form, THC is not very active. It is only when the carboxyl group is removed that THC becomes psychoactive). JWH however is just the pure chemical and should be active orally without having to dissolve it or cook it in something. I could see that it could affect absorption of the chemical, but from what I understand the reason for cooking cannabis is to extract the THCA and convert it to THC. Eating cannabis alone could get you high but you wouldn't be getting much of the THC out of it. As far as marinol goes, that is taken in pill form and should be active orally just fine on it's own. I'm not a chemistry expert or anything so correct me if I'm wrong here.

 

[IamMe90]

that's how i've always understood it as well, but someone who actually knows chemistry should chime in.

 

[sekio]

^ That is correct. JWH isn't adsorbed readily if you eat it on its own, because the body won't uptake it quite as well as if it's dissolved in fats due to the significant lipophilicity.

 

[greenmeanies]

enter galactic, you are correct about cannabis producing THCA that needs to be changed into THC for activity. however imagine a ball of hash oil that has already been activated by heat (so it is mostly THC, and thus very active)... if you place this oily ball of hash in your mouth, will the chemical absorb across your tongue? not very much because it will have a barrier of water-based saliva coating it and preventing contact with any blood vessels. same thing when it gets to the stomach. unless you already have some food in there, the blob of hash oil will simply bounce around for a while, absorbing very slowly and unpredictably.

by dissolving in an edible oil, we change the kinetics of absorption to become very straightforward and predictable. short-chain fatty acids enter the bloodstream quickly, and any lipid-soluble molecules dissolved in them will be carried with them when they go.

marinol is THC dissolved in sesame oil, so it backs up my point but sesame oil has more long-chain acids which probably causes a different timeline than milkfat.

 

[Enter Galactic]

Well that makes sense greenmeanies. I didn't know that about marinol either. I'm tempted to try the JWH again in something edible now. Thanks for clearing that up.