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(JWH-073)+(JWH-018) New experience: Impressions of a ganja lover.

Yes. How do you think the manufacturers of Spice applied it to the herbal carrier? They started with a synthesis of the pure compounds. I get the feeling they didn't do the synthesis themselves either, but contracted it out to a foreign supplier.
 
^ We are only talking miniscule amounts of IPA here. No real danger of toxicity that way I think. Though if you are still worried, you can always measure your doses and evaporate the solvent.

Are these compounds as easily soluble in EtOH though anyway?

@MyDoorsAreOpen: Great post, many good points.

These compounds intrigue me as well, despite the hypothetical risk of carcinogenesis. I've been trying out various Spice blends recently and have been very impressed. Will most likely be experimenting with the pure compounds soon as well.

Thanks for the bump, I had managed to miss this one somehow. Interesting read.
 
I've never tried cannabis, but I did just try JWH-073. I had thought the effects would kick in fully within about a minute when the chemical was smoked. I started with 4mg. I repeated that twice, then smoked a 6mg hit. Then what I would estimate to be 3mg. I was getting very disappointed because it didn't seem to be working. A small amount of the smoke was lost instead of inhaled, but most of it reached its target. Maybe 3 or 4 minutes after that last hit I was definitely feeling altered, but not very strongly. I assumed that this was just a weak drug and I would not feel anything stronger.

Boy was I wrong.
Apparently, it can take up to 10 minutes or so for the effects to fully develop. It ended up becoming extremely intense over the next few minutes. It was a bit scary, especially for the first five minutes or so. It felt a lot like salvia. I started experiencing some of the most extreme synaesthesia I have ever had. I could feel sound in my body and taste both sound and physical sensations. There were some odd visuals that I find hard to describe. I soon felt like I was a child again. It felt like I had returned to a state of innocence. There was still some fear that I was having a stroke or something and that part of my brain was dying. It was however mostly positive. A feeling of returning to innocence, and lots of laughing. It is wearing off now, but I am now on mephedrone.

The main point I am wanting to make by posting this is that it doesn't necessarily kick in instantly, or even almost instantly. You need to give it 10 minutes or so to fully kick in. That is about what it took for me. This chemical fortunately was not punishing to me when I made this mistake. Just don't expect it too kick in instantly, because you might take too much or you might get in the middle of something where you wouldn't want to be really high.

I must say that I am very impressed with this chemical. It is supposed to be similar to weed, which I have never tried. I always assumed weed to be a really weak drug that was at most slightly psychedelic. This seemed quite strongly psychedelic, though in a different way from the tryptamines and phenethylamines.

The mistake I made was quite a stupid one. I've been doing this long enough that I should know better. I guess it's just that I am used to smoked chemicals and plants taking effect in a matter of seconds. I was not expecting this to be different. At least no harm came out of it.

Just keep in mind that you might not feel the full effects right away if you try this or a similar compound.
 
I've tried this a couple of times now. And as a steady tooker, I have to say I'm very impressed. These is a good, CLEAN high. Works in so low doses as well... Are there ANY negative effects? Addictive? Is it the CRACK weed?? =D
 
Don't overdue this stuff too much on a daily basis, cause you will develope a tolerance, maybe even semi permanent. I went through about 6 grams of the stuff in a few months and used it solely for my CB1/CB2 intoxication. About halfway through the last 3 grams, the stuff was really not doing that much for me anymore. The amount that would scare the living shit out of me just gets me basically stoned but nothing special.

Well, I took a break for over a month and although the first few times I smoked it, I got really high, it hasn't taken very long for it to be nothing more than coping a nod. I mean, after smoking about 10 - 12 mgs I will be asleep whithin 20 minutes if I'm just laying back watching the tube.
 
But no withdrawal symptoms at least? And I realized the thread was about 018 as well, I only tried 078.
 
Tryptamine*Dreamer said:
I always assumed weed to be a really weak drug that was at most slightly psychedelic.
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Not the case, my friend. Good cannabis can give even the classic serotonergic psychedelics a run for their money, so to speak.

Tryptamine*Dreamer said:
This seemed quite strongly psychedelic, though in a different way from the tryptamines and phenethylamines.
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Hey, just like cannabis! I am feeling encouraged.
 
i must get some of this stuff pure before they ban it at the end of the year, ive had spice several times when weed is scarce/sprayed/low quality (and round here thats often) and it makes for a fine substitute although some of my stoner mates dont like it at all saying it gives an "unnatural" feeling
 
svampass said:
But no withdrawal symptoms at least? And I realized the thread was about 018 as well, I only tried 078.
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No more so than when I don't have any ganja around. Couple nights having trouble getting to sleep, crappy appetite for about the same time period. Being irritable.
 
My girlfriend points out that JWH-018 withdrawal is non-existant... if anything you feel better afterwards than before you started developing tolerance. She definitely notices 'cannabis withdrawal' for a few days if she's ceased chronic administration of the cannabis plant.
 
gaian planes said:
ipa is slightly toxic to the liver.

I'll try to dissolve some in alcohol tonight, but i tend to steer completely away from alcohol, so even a few drops of vodka on my tongue are not something i look forward to.

Perhaps if somebody else has some that drinks they can do this experiment to settle our curiousities?
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;)well here ya go i use propolyne glycol ..usually red food dye!!warm it under hot tap water and shake for about 5 minutes...then mix a few drops with some coffee!!!to figure out dose mix 1mg/1ml so if you want 5mgs then mix it with 5mgs of jwh to 5 mls of pg!! Have fun, safe2rave
 
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I am wondering whether these compounds are more related to hash [pure THC], than marijuana which has other cannabanoids?
the metabolization and half life would be similar. the possibility of creating a drug test to detect this wouldn't be hard considering MS tech.??

I have also heard of either high levels and/or mixtures of these synth. compounds are likely to result in a positive drug test. though I don't necessarily believe it.

this thread nailed everything about spice! good deductions - I agree.
 
My alternate reality self has eaten up to 60mg of 18 to only the slightest effect. Its odd since he's found smoking the same stuff at 10mg results in some extreme heavy handed psychedelic stonage. And he has to watch out for The Fear.
 
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Long time smoker of cannabis (10+ yrs), and yes I have had and still DO smoke quality stuff. Got some JWH-018 from a trusted vendor. Smoked 5mg on foil w/straw. One of the worst anxiety attacks I have ever had, felt "The Fear" come on hardcore. Slightly trippy, no real visuals per say, but definitely a change in depth perception or something. Very scary experience until the peak wore off 10 min or so later. Not worth the anxiety to me. This gave me the worst anxiety I have ever had from any chem I have tried, and I have tried quite a few, LSD, K, Salvia, Meth, MDMA, etc etc etc. No good for me. I'm quite disappointed too, because I am a daily smoker, but i will just stick with the natural stuff for now. Maybe JWH-073 would be better from what I have read on this site, though I am quite apprehensive about even trying that after my last experience with 018.
 
Alpheus said:
My alternate reality self has eaten up to 60mg of 18 to only the slightest effect.
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Did you eat it straight or infused into oil/fat?

DextroKid said:
This gave me the worst anxiety I have ever had from any chem I have tried, and I have tried quite a few, LSD, K, Salvia, Meth, MDMA, etc etc etc. No good for me. I'm quite disappointed too, because I am a daily smoker, but i will just stick with the natural stuff for now. Maybe JWH-073 would be better from what I have read on this site, though I am quite apprehensive about even trying that after my last experience with 018.
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I know my experience isn't typical, but I'll say that 073 also gave me the worst anxiety I've ever experienced (haven't tried 018) and I too am a daily smoker... (The experiences may have been ODs though.)
 
^ Yeah, I find that at high enough (read: carelessly eyeballed) doses, JWH-073 brings on The Fear™ something horrible. My wife is not a regular pot user, and I had to hold her hand and talk lovingly to her for at least an hour after a very modest hit of 073. She later described it at a very difficult experience, that she wasn't sure at first she'd survive.

Needless to say, I'll not be trying any 018.

Nothing beats the real mccoy.
 
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