Harm Reduction Jugular external vein IV tips

[Blake7]

Tricomb - While it may seem like I'm splitting hairs in which case just tell me to shut up and I'll say no more about it, although I agree that an abscess on the neck is always going to be a potentially life threatening event, I still maintain that although still quite possible, one is much less likely to form there given the far superior blood supply and inherently increased ability to ward off infection before it ever becomes an issue. Admittedly the general health of the individual will have a big part to to play here along with the cause and virulence of the infection. As for misses I've partially missed a few shots of ethhylphenidate in my feet and there there has never been any sign of them having happened two days later and thats with the foot's reduced circulation. The missed shot in my neck i did a few hours ago which was about 130mg ETH in about .8ml water is looking good. The swelling is greatly reduced with no sign of redness and is disappearing as smoothly as I would have expected it to.
Looking good. I certainly won't be losing a wink of sleep over it and I don't expect to see much evidence left of it tomorrow.
Which although only anecdotal, still suggests to me that Ethylphenidate is a pretty pure substance leaving no irritant crap behind to cause any lingering problems. This is purely my opinion but based on my interpretation of continued observation.

So endeth another ethylphenidate fueled outpouring. I think I've typed more tonight (1 finger typing) than I Have in the last few weeks. I do like Eth

 

[tricomb]

EPH is supposed to be incredibly caustic and painful to snort, but I've heard of people plugging it no problem, provided it's dilute enough, 5mL of water should be fine.

 

[Blake7]

ahh ok. so is it rather caustic (corrosive, burning) to your veins? definitely best to dilute as much as possible or neutralise if you can. or avoid putting it straight into your veins.

if you do decide to plug start out with a tiny tester to see if it produces any type of burning sensation/reaction. i don't think you want to burn that ring out, right?

maybe try searching for posts that contain talk about rectal administration of EPH?

All the posts that I've read re rectal Eth have without exception been very positive. It produces a euphoric rush not dissimilar to IV dosing though presumably without the initial intensity but not particularly noticeable in oral dosing which is rated the least effective and which some people find unpleasant due I think to side effects. Many people swear by rectal ROA though suspect they haven't tried IV dosing which I would recommend trying if only once in one's life though only at 70mg which is far from excessive and my preferred dose though I may soon find to be little different to a similar dose plugged. Just a thought, I seem to remember much detailed discussion on plugging eth in an RC thread in EADD but but may be discussed in as good if not better detail in OD but there's a couple of leads anyway.

Anyway enough Eth fueled waffle. Hope some of it's of interest. *Peace * 5:38 AM here and feel like I'm going to be going to be going for hours. Now for the etizolam rectification.

Might come back and tidy up the last few posts when I've had some sleep as spelling mistakes, missing, misspelled words and grammatical errors keep jumping out at me

 

[Blake7]

OK time for an update. Since the above events I've been drug and needle free but decided to have another dabble tonight. Bearing in mind that I'm shooting one handed I'm having trouble sliding my fingers up the syringe without sliding out of the vein after registering using 30g 1/2" needles as they only need to be in about half way. In fact of the four shots I did the the other night I was only completely successful with one of them. The others were all partial misses.

Prepped a shot of 110mg ethylphenidate earlier and thought I'd skip the register as using other sites I tend to have a higher success rate when I don't register as repositioning my fingers often results in a miss. Anyway I ended up going right through the jugular and missed the entire shot. So on to plan B. The next shot of 55mg ethylphenidate and 60mg of methiopropamine was a blinding success. I positioned very low on the neck which meant having to inject through deeper tissue. After slight adjustment I registered strongly and pushed the shot home without the slightest spill. This could be the way to go in the future if it's going to be as easy as that every time.

Another thing that is worth considering is to use a shorter needle to use higher up the vein which would negate the risk of sliding out of the vein after registering. I've heard of 8mm / 5/16" needles being available but I can only find them attached to what appear to be one piece insulin syringes. Are they available as standard luer slip needles for use with standard barrels? I suspect not but that could have been a viable solution. An 8mm needle on a half ml barrel as opposed to the 1mls I'm currently using would make handling easier and could be just the ticket but am prepared to be disappointed.

Anyway, any useful info or sensible ideas would be much appreciated (except to refrain from my dubious recreational habits that is, which is a story set to run for a little while longer at least until I get bored of it or get a life or something (or lose more limbs or die which is at least possible though that's far from my objective despite appearances)).

EDIT - as an aside I thought I'd try the ethylphenidate/methiopropamine combo as an experiment but am finding it rather disappointing as the MPA seems to be overpowering the euphoriant and mood enhancing effects of the EPH with plain old functional stimulation. You learn something new every day.

Another EDIT - Just a thought but it's fair to point out that this is written under the influence of the substance in question which has a bearing on my attitude to issues amongst other aspects of my personality and how I may come across. It does affect my thought processes in some interesting ways, (I can incline towards a tendency to ramble on a bit and not always with any real purpose but I also gain some beneficial effects, it's not all bad) sometimes for the better and on others very much for the worse but if my approach is not always what would be expected then that'll be the EPH. A mixture of chemically assisted insight and positive introspection along side some drug addled nonsense just to ensure balance. Anyway that's enough EPH'ed up drivel for tonight. I've made so many structural changes to this paragraph that it may make little sense but I'll decide tomorrow. I'm sure I'll be viewing this with some embarrassment later but for now it's all good.

Did another shot half way up my neck a wee while ago. Partial miss with some under the skin bleeding so there's some potential for me to have a lovely bruise tomorrow which just might scream out raving junky to all and sundry but I'll cross that bridge when it comes to it. If someone does have any info on the existence or otherwise of luer slip 8mm 5/16" needles I'd appreciate the heads up. It could be a healthy improvement

 

[muvolution]

Wait, are you using leur-lock syringes now?
I would definitely recommend an insulin syringe over that, as the action is smoother, and they are easier to hold.
Better yet, a BD syringe specifically for IV shots. They exist.

 

[Blake7]

Wait, are you using leur-lock syringes now?

I would definitely recommend an insulin syringe over that, as the action is smoother, and they are easier to hold.
Better yet, a BD syringe specifically for IV shots. They exist.

Yes I keep coming across BD syringes in all happening locations which seem to set the standard as far as I can tell given all the praise heaped on them.

I'll await a little clarification on these insulin syringes and thanks muchly for your input.


If anyone's bored, I've added a little story which I've tagged onto the second half of my previous post which may wile away a few dull minutes

All the posts that I've read re rectal Eth have without exception been very positive. It produces a euphoric rush not dissimilar to IV dosing though presumably without the initial intensity but not particularly noticeable in oral dosing which is rated the least effective and which some people find unpleasant due I think to side effects. Many people swear by rectal ROA though suspect they haven't tried IV dosing which I would recommend trying if only once in one's life though only at 70mg which is far from excessive and my preferred dose though I may soon find to be little different to a similar dose plugged..

I'm not giving advice, just my recent experiences Since this post I have opted for initial IV doses of 100mg and I also at 120mg as I had forgotten that I had been dosing at 70mg probably due to slightly injudicious use of etizolam affecting my short term memory in a noticeable and somewhat detrimental manner. Some of my recent events are a little hazy. Some food for thought.

I've still not grabbed an oral syringe from the pharmacy at the last opportunity but I'LL BE IN TOWN TOMORROW so fingers crossed I'll get my shit together.

I've been IV'ing EPH mostly into my feet and ankles for the last few months but as they are now unusable I've discovered the outer jugular vein with varying degrees of success. The successful shots are a dream but I'm getting more than my fare share of missed hits. So rectal admin would still seem to be an enticing option. I'll try to provide an update when I have something to provide.

Wait, are you using leur-lock syringes now?
I would definitely recommend an insulin syringe over that, as the action is smoother, and they are easier to hold.
Better yet, a BD syringe specifically for IV shots. They exist.

Am I correct in saying that the insulin syringes are all in units without detachable needles which would otherwise prevent you from drawing the fuid directly into the syringe rather than have to draw the fluid in through the needle which I assume is the only option with insulin syringes. My disability is going to make filling a syringe through the needle an aukward frustrating challenge though not impossible.

 

[muvolution]

Yes - with an insulin syringe, you either draw it in through the needle or simply backload it.

If you are going to continue shooting pills, you need to start micron filtering - It should make things even easier as you can filter bacteriostatic water and eph into a vial, then draw from the vial with one hand.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Do you mind if I ask why you can't inject into your arms? We can teach you how to find and hit veins on other parts of your body.

I would seriously recommend almost anywhere else over the neck. PLEASE look at some vein maps and learn more about IV technique. Abscess is not the only thing you have to worry about. And after the eth has so rapidly destroyed the other veins you were using, what do you think it's going to do to your jugular?

From an HR site:

Self-injecting in the neck is extremely dangerous, difficult to do and should be strongly discouraged. Arteries, veins, tendons and nerves are all very close together. While you may find information suggesting how to go about it, we regard it as simply too dangerous to be an option.
Part of the risk arises from the fact that for self-injectors, injection in the neck is difficult and requires the use of a mirror. However getting someone else to inject you is even more risky.

Some of the common complications of neck injecting may be similar to those in other areas, such as cellulitis and abscess formation, but have even more devastating effects. An abscess or cellulitis in the neck can cause dangerous pressure on nerves or obstruct the airway. Accidental injection into an artery means the drug, and any other matter contained in the solution, will go directly to the brain, potentially causing a range of neurological problems, including strokes, weakening of the blood vessel wall (aneurysm) and nerve damage, including vocal chord paralysis.
If you are having trouble finding anywhere else to inject, it may be time to explore safer ways of getting the goods into your system, or learn more about the least risky injection options available to you.

As for injecting at a 90 deg angle, a shallower angle is actually best for any surface vein.

Also why do you need to move your fingers on the syringe after registering? I will try to find a pic for you of the correct way to hold a syringe for 1-handed injection. Edit: Sorry, didn't see that you weren't using insulin syringes. With insulin syringes you should be able to do every part of the process with one hand. Do you want some tips?

 

[Blake7]

I don't believe it. I've already spent ages writing this out once but it didn't save so here goes again.

Now for a tale that you just couldn't make up as it would seem to be too implausible to consider but I'm sorry to say that it's very real.

I have a clear memory of spending last night on moderate doses of ethylphenidate while on the internet with much of it spent on BL I remember spending many happy hours initially updating a post on the previous page but then continued to offload a stream of thoughts onto what turned into more of a blog. I felt really good and enjoyed getting my thoughts down in text. The second from last thing I remember is saying that I was going to take a couple of etizolam and hit the sack which was at 9AM or so. My last memory is of me taking the two etizolam.

EDIT - I now remember it a bit differently. I'd done a fair bit of EPH (which combined with lack of sleep, makes me incapable of sound judgment) so thought I'd take 3 etizolam to knock it on the head and go to bed but didn't go and later decided to do more EPH. I may have repeated this scenario at least 2 more times so it all starts to make sense though I still have no memory of what followed.

The next thing I remember is me photographing my neck with my camera phone which would have been at about 7:30PM and sending one of the photos to a friend though I'll probably never know why I did this. I have no memory at all between taking the etizolam and taking the photos many hours later but judging by the state of my neck it seems safe to assume that much time and effort had been spent attempting to IV ethylphenidate into my jugular veins though judging by the numerous red swellings all over my neck and especially on the left side which is noticeably swollen it is pretty clear that I had many misses. EDIT - To be honest having had another look both sides are swollen alike. If that's not bad enough I also have a line of track marks running up the right side of my neck though on the other side they would just be covered by a collar. I look like a trauma victim and as I'm the only person here, I have to assume that I subjected myself to these injuries. There was an occasion a little while ago when ethylphenidate followed by etizolam resulted in me conducting a bit of an IV mission on the veins in my feet though I do have some memory of that. I remember feeling obsessively driven at the time.

It would seem that I cannot mix ethylphenidate with etizolam without dire consequences so I won't be making that mistake again. Well isn't that a tale of woe and I don't suppose that I'll ever remember any of it. Well that's me off the social calendar till I've healed a bit and look fit to be allowed to mix with decent folks again. You really couldn't make this up could you?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Sorry to hear about all that

What I do to make sure my posts don't magically disappear is to make sure I've selected "remember me" at login and to occasionally select and copy to clipboard what I've written if I'm writing something long.

Thanks for explaining, I thought that might be why but I assumed you had 2 arms because you said "arms" plural in your earlier posts. There are plenty of other places in your body that would be much safer than your neck though. I really hope this experience has made you decide not to inject in your neck anymore. You are lucky you didn't hit an artery, nerves etc (well as far as you know you didn't I guess). I also think it's a very wise idea to stay away from mixing ethylphenidate and etizolam.

Another reason not to shoot into your neck, as you may have now realized, is that track marks are very visible there, whereas if it's your leg etc it is easier to hide. Put a hot wet cloth on your neck to help it heal (this also reduces your risk of abscess etc).

I hope you will try rectal administration and if you are set on continuing to inject please don't hesitate to ask for detailed advice on how to best find/hit veins and how to do all this one-handed.

 

[sn0]

If your going jug your going to need a long needle bro. I have torn my neck apart, but there are plenty of veins in your neck that I find short needles work best. To get them to pop out hold your breath and puff your neck, Like close your mouth and blow air in your mouth. Use a mirror or best have someone else hit you. Everyone is saying crude things on this thread, but IVing anywhere is bad, but your neck your going to get a way faster and harder rush in my opinion. Just be careful if you have someone else hit you, if they miss it hurts like a bitch. You will be alright hitting in your neck as long as you have someone that knows what there doing. If your going to get fucked up, might as well do it in your neck if you know where your doing and dont care about tracks in obvious places.

 

[Blake7]

If your going jug your going to need a long needle bro. I have torn my neck apart, but there are plenty of veins in your neck that I find short needles work best. To get them to pop out hold your breath and puff your neck, Like close your mouth and blow air in your mouth. Use a mirror or best have someone else hit you. Everyone is saying crude things on this thread, but IVing anywhere is bad, but your neck your going to get a way faster and harder rush in my opinion. Just be careful if you have someone else hit you, if they miss it hurts like a bitch. You will be alright hitting in your neck as long as you have someone that knows what there doing. If your going to get fucked up, might as well do it in your neck if you know where your doing and dont care about tracks in obvious places.

Funny you should mention other neck veins as after a few unsuccessful attempts on the jugulars earlier due to all the swelling, I tried wrapping an electrical cable round my neck just to see if it would help and had veins jumping out at me all over the place and settled for one under the chin which was so fat that missing it would have been impossible however
shaky you were.

Yes there have been some strong opinions expressed but as they are pretty much talking sense which is welcome. I often agree with those opinions though may still chose to follow my own path. Those opinions talking sense I've no problem with at all. All opinions are good It's up to us to choose our own way but opinion helps shape those choices. IRl I'm generally a pretty sensible person in most respects but have to admit that some of my recent drug related activity leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

i would also urge you to consider alternatives, it seems to me you may have some form of needle fixation as i believe i also have to a lesser or greater degree. anyway, swim found having a trusted friend who is adept at iv & preferably neck-hits also - perform the act was best method. recline with support to head, take big breath & hold till veins pop up. have swim's friend inject at shallow'ish with 1ml orange tip very slowly, so as to know when in & lessen damage. swim couldnt exhale till it was over as the needle would inevitably fall out the vein. however, as was mentioned.. misses of (heroin at least) left swim in great pain & unable to turn head for a couple days. in terms of lesser evil and HR.. does your condition preclude femoral access? please, swim too has terrible issues finding veins & has been to lowest depths of despair/self-abuse.. but jugular self-injection scares even him. take care

 

[Blake7]

Wait, are you using leur-lock syringes now?
I would definitely recommend an insulin syringe over that, as the action is smoother, and they are easier to hold.
Better yet, a BD syringe specifically for IV shots. They exist.

Thanks again, I'll investigate these. My first and current IV equipment supplies were purchased from an online shop using a bit of opinion I've gleaned from BL but ultimately my choices were made from what was available selecting a combo that seemed to make sense given my selection criteria though as I had never IV'ed before hand I didn't have any practical experience to draw on so I don't pretend that there might not be better alternatives out there. I'm open to suggestions but will be ready to objectively judge the theoretical advantages against my many years of experience of matching my physical limitations and how they relate to practical tasks. If at any point I reject a seemingly valid suggestion then that's the likely reason. But as I say all input is welcome

 

[Blake7]

Sorry to hear about all that

Thanks for explaining, I thought that might be why but I assumed you had 2 arms because you said "arms" plural in your earlier posts. There are plenty of other places in your body that would be much safer than your neck though. I really hope this experience has made you decide not to inject in your neck anymore.You are lucky you didn't hit an artery, nerves etc (well as far as you know you didn't I guess). I also think it's a very wise idea to stay away from mixing ethylphenidate and etizolam.

Another reason not to shoot into your neck, as you may have now realized, is that track marks are very visible there, whereas if it's your leg etc it is easier to hide. Put a hot wet cloth on your neck to help it heal (this also reduces your risk of abscess etc).

I hope you will try rectal administration and if you are set on continuing to inject please don't hesitate to ask for detailed advice on how to best find/hit veins and how to do all this one-handed.

Don't worry, I'm now suitably scared of etizolam.

Well I've since discovered that if I tourniquet my neck with electrical flex I can hit an impossible to miss vein in the front with ease so I'm afraid my neck is not only still fair game but now totally effortless and consequently much more attractive than before though if tracks start to look obvious I'll desist.

By the way my neck looks much better today and the tracks have disappeared (thank heavens for 30 guage needles) so I'm fit for public viewing as long as I'm wearing a collared shirt so panic over.

If you could help me find some usable veins in my legs then I'd be happy to switch right now but the only two I could find that were functional are no longer, at least for the time being anyway.

As for alternative ROA's, They do and will have their place but am currently enjoying IV for no justifiable reason but for the fact that I've tried it, I like it and will for now continue to dabble with it. Am still up for trying plugging though.

 

[down508]

I don't believe it. I've already spent ages writing this out once but it didn't save so here goes again.

Now for a tale that you just couldn't make up as it would seem to be too implausible to consider but I'm sorry to say that it's very real.

I have a clear memory of spending last night on moderate doses of ethylphenidate while on the internet with much of it spent on BL I remember spending many happy hours initially updating a post on the previous page but then continued to offload a stream of thoughts onto what turned into more of a blog. I felt really good and enjoyed getting my thoughts down in text. The second from last thing I remember is saying that I was going to take a couple of etizolam and hit the sack which was at 9AM or so. My last memory is of me taking the two etizolam.

The next thing I remember is me photographing my neck with my camera phone which would have been at about 7:30PM and sending one of the photos to a friend though I'll probably never know why I did this. I have no memory at all between taking the etizolam and taking the photos many hours later but judging by the state of my neck it seems safe to assume that much time and effort had been spent attempting to IV ethylphenidate into my jugular veins though judging by the numerous red swellings all over my neck and especially on the left side which is noticeably swollen it is pretty clear that I had many misses. EDIT - To be honest having had another look both sides are swollen alike. If that's not bad enough I also have a line of track marks running up the right side of my neck though on the other side they would just be covered by a collar. I look like a trauma victim and as I'm the only person here, I have to assume that I subjected myself to these injuries. There was an occasion a little while ago when ethylphenidate followed by etizolam resulted in me conducting a bit of an IV mission on the veins in my feet though I do have some memory of that. I remember feeling obsessively driven at the time.

It would seem that I cannot mix ethylphenidate with etizolam without dire consequences so I won't be making that mistake again. Well isn't that a tale of woe and I don't suppose that I'll ever remember any of it. Well that's me off the social calendar till I've healed a bit and look fit to be allowed to mix with decent folks again. You really couldn't make this up could you?

you should get an experienced I.V. buddy. I fancy myself somewhat of a street phlebotomist, as long as I'm not completely off my tits I can hit veins like it's my job. It's too bad you live on the other side of the pond, if you were nearby I would definitely give you a hand (no pun intended, but now that I think about it thats a pretty good pun) in injecting this stuff. It's difficult hitting yourself, because you get nervous and your hands start to shake. the worst is when your already stimmed out, you register, but slip out while pushing the plunger. because of this I never use tourniquets.

but judging by what happened last night you should throw out your rigs (or atleast break off the needles) until you get yourself some proper filters. I can only imagine how bad you look right now with all those needle marks and bruises up your neck. although you mentioned there's nobody around, when I used to have horrible tracks all up and down my arms even if nobody else saw them they made me sad just looking at them. Well you are fortunate nothing too serious came out of your misadventures last night (at least I hope not, only time will tell), but take this as lesson learned and be sure to invest in some filters. I can guarantee when (if) you are laying in a hospital bed with a giant stinky festering abscess on your neck you will kick yourself for not picking those up.

I do admit though I.V.ing ethylphenidate does seem much less risky then some of the things people I.V. on a regular basis, heroin and subutex/suboxone are big ones that come to mind. take the right precautions now, while you still have the chance.

and for Jugular shots, I'm not going to bother telling you not to do them. you know that they are a bad idea, and as mentioned by the posters above me there are many risks involved. you are now aware of those risks and have explained why you are willing to take them. from my experience having seen my friend do them (I never had to, my veins are very hardy despite having half gram shots of medium quality cocaine slammed up them many times a day for months) if you hold your breath your veins will bulge out. this works as a tourniquet if you will, so you will be able to free up your other hand. since the jugular is a very wide vein as long as your needle is short enough (under a half inch) you should be able to go in at a 90 degree angle. I think one of the reasons why you are having trouble hitting is because, as you mentioned before, you are going in at a shallow angle.

but if you do end up using this vein successfully, it could easily turn into a regular thing. and with my experience when you are shooting up as a habit you start to care less and less about proper injecting procedures, almost like you feel a bit invincible. this is where people run into problems.

good luck, and yes I would avoid I.V.ing while on etizolam. I never had luck hitting veins while on benzos and you are more likely not to give a shit if its in the vein and just push the plunger cus "god damnit I want to get high now"
another

 

[down508]

and a needle that I've always liked is the BD 30 guage, 5/16", 1 or 1/2 ml depending on preference and solubility of drug in question. I like 5/16th because you can put it in all the way without it poking through the other side. I like 30 guage because it leaves smaller tracks, stays sharp longer (although reusing more then a couple times isn't reccomended, but on the streets you do what you gotta do), and puops in the vein without resistance. the only problem I have with syringes of this size is they tend to clog easier when sucking up impure product. with the right filters you won't run into this problem.

 

[Blake7]

i would also urge you to consider alternatives, it seems to me you may have some form of needle fixation as i believe i also have to a lesser or greater degree. anyway, swim found having a trusted friend who is adept at iv & preferably neck-hits also - perform the act was best method. recline with support to head, take big breath & hold till veins pop up. have swim's friend inject at shallow'ish with 1ml orange tip very slowly, so as to know when in & lessen damage. swim couldnt exhale till it was over as the needle would inevitably fall out the vein. however, as was mentioned.. misses of (heroin at least) left swim in great pain & unable to turn head for a couple days. in terms of lesser evil and HR.. does your condition preclude femoral access? please, swim too has terrible issues finding veins & has been to lowest depths of despair/self-abuse.. but jugular self-injection scares even him. take care

Yes I freely admit that I have developed a bit of a needle fixation but I don't see it as a problem right now. It just is.

I have no friends or even aquaintancies that IV except for one that lives away and only see twice a year so I'm on my ownsome. As for femoral access it would be easily possible but I can't imagine ever considering it. Am not even the slightest bit curious.

 

[Blake7]

and a needle that I've always liked is the BD 30 guage, 5/16", 1 or 1/2 ml depending on preference and solubility of drug in question. I like 5/16th because you can put it in all the way without it poking through the other side. I like 30 guage because it leaves smaller tracks, stays sharp longer (although reusing more then a couple times isn't recommended, but on the streets you do what you gotta do), and puops in the vein without resistance. the only problem I have with syringes of this size is they tend to clog easier when sucking up impure product. with the right filters you won't run into this problem.

Well I've not used BD yet but I have only ever used 30g 1/2" needles which do occasionally clog with blood but I've recently come to the conclusion that this only appears to happen to me when I'm poorly hydrated. Otherwise I get on well with them.

There have been many times when a 5/16" needle would have made situations much easier but I believe that they're only supplied with insulin syringes which I've not come across yet. Is the BD an insulin syringe?

 

[mrflowers00]

omg this sounds like such a bad idea i would definitely switch to plugging