Harm Reduction Jugular external vein IV tips

[Blake7]

This ought to stir up a bit of controversy though I'm only really looking for practical advice. I tried searching on the subject but came with a lot of opinion but nothing of much practical use.

I've been IV'ng for the last few months on and off. Mostly ethylphenidate which is pretty hard on the veins. Disability prevents me from using the veins in my arms where all the best ones are so I've mostly been using the once prominent veins in my feet though none of them are now usable. I've had some success with a couple of veins in my right leg though registering there is now a rare event. Anyway I came across some info and diagrams re injecting into the outer jugulars last night and have done a bit of research since.

I found that if I place a finger or thumb against the base of the left vein, it pops up beautifully so thought I'd have a go at hitting it one handed. I'm using 1ml 30g 1/2 inch needles which looked as if they should do the trick quite nicely. Well I've gone through quite a few needles trying to register but with little success except vaguely a couple of times when the needle was so barely in I didn't risk plunging and missing. I've tried various depths, angles and what have you. My major drawback is that I have to release the pressure from the vain before registering/adjusting as I need my thumb further up the syringe, so of course the vein is much skinnier and is recessed back into my neck making things much harder. I've always thrived on a challenge, it's got me where I am today and I hope to overcome this one as I have with most practical problems I've had to confront. I've since had another shot at it. I think some of it went in but judging by the fat lump left afterwards and the lack of immediate effects, I'd say I must have missed most of it.

TL;DR

Anyway have any of you jugular users any tips that might help relating to needle sizes, angles, depths or anything that might help. Any USEFUL advice would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance guys.

Peace

 

[tricomb]

What are you using as a filtration device? Even with a micron filter, shooting into the jugular is a big no-no for many reasons, the margin for error is slim to non-existent. One mistake, you miss the shot, that's likely a fatal abscess. I've heard of people pricking their nerves in their neck resulting in paralysis and other complications.

EPH of all things too. Sounds like something you would read about in the Case Studies

 

[muvolution]

dude, im not going to chastise you for doing this, but I have worked with HUNDREDS of injection drug users at the needle exchange, and THOUSANDS on bluelight and I know of NO cases of anyone successfully hitting the jugular more than once or twice, and more stories than I can count about people dying or being permanently disfigured.
How much is your life worth?
Might look into one of those handheld devices for finding veins, they aren't bad.

If you have to try again, Maybe use a 1/2" with a larger gauge, like 28. Idk man you are walking a fine line here.

 

[tricomb]

^This. Around here, when people start trying to hit their neck, it's called "dead man walking".

Absolutely no drug is worth the risk.

 

[tricomb]

^This. Around here, when people start trying to hit their neck, it's called "dead man walking". It's the last exit on the highway to hell.

Absolutely no drug is worth the risk.

 

[Blake7]

What are you using as a filtration device? Even with a micron filter, shooting into the jugular is a big no-no for many reasons, the margin for error is slim to non-existent. One mistake, you miss the shot, that's likely a fatal abscess. I've heard of people pricking their nerves in their neck resulting in paralysis and other complications.

EPH of all things too. Sounds like something you would read about in the Case Studies

The way I see it looking at it logically. The blood circulation in the neck is going to be far superior to that in the extremities so the risk of abscess has to be much lower though the potential consequences should one occur in the neck are going to be much more serious. Swings and roundabouts.

Not using filtration as yet, it's on my todo list (yeah I know but of all the IV shots IV prepared, ethylphenidate is the one that produces a crystal clear "looking" solution off apparent high purity so I have no qualms but I offer no other defense on my bypassing of this basic safety measure.

I'll check out that link now.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

This is the first video I saw of someone using the jugular.

Please don't do it.

If you want to see, it's 3:17 into the video.

 

[tricomb]

The risk of abscess in your neck is insanely higher, one little abscess swells up and puts pressure on your nerves/spinal cord, you die. It puts pressure on your air-ways? you die.

The idea of injecting EPH without a filter because you think the solution looks fine is insane. Your eyes cannot quantify the contaminates, they are tiny particles and I assure you that they are there, I don't care how "high purity" you think it is, that's no excuse.

Not hating, just making sure that you don't do something this dangerous based on logic that isn't even logical or legit.

 

[tentram]

does your disability prevent you from choosing a different route of administration? is plugging in the picture? mainlining (snorting solution)?

IV isn't the only route of administration and it sounds like you and your body deserve a break from the damage it's doing.

 

[Blake7]

The risk of abscess in your neck is insanely higher, one little abscess swells up and puts pressure on your nerves/spinal cord, you die. It puts pressure on your air-ways? you die.

The idea of injecting EPH without a filter because you think the solution looks fine is insane. Your eyes cannot quantify the contaminates, they are tiny particles and I assure you that they are there, I don't care how "high purity" you think it is, that's no excuse.

Not hating, just making sure that you don't do something this dangerous based on logic that isn't even logical or legit.

I'm not going to rush to defend what is at times reckless behavior. I've been looking into ordering sterifilt filters from exchangesupplies.org which I was reticent to order with my original order as the stericups that are supplied with them are two handed devices but having had time to think about it I can easily work round the limitations so will order some without delay.

As you'll gather I'm fairly new to IV and openly admit that I have willingly cut corners for expediency but I'm learning along the way. My education in IV administration was from someone who makes me look positively causious in comparison so I am unlearning someone elses bad habits along the way. Anyway onward and upward

 

[tricomb]

^I dunno what to tell you man, you're obviously well aware that what you're doing is wrong, yet seem intent on proceeding. A micron filter is required for what you're suggesting, compacted cotton isn't enough for a jugular IV if you ask me.

Hopefully someone else can have something helpful to add, I've said my $0.02, I'm out.

 

[Blake7]

does your disability prevent you from choosing a different route of administration? is plugging in the picture? mainlining (snorting solution)?

IV isn't the only route of administration and it sounds like you and your body deserve a break from the damage it's doing.

Plugging I would happily try out of curiosity and as far as I can make out the benefits of plugging and IV'ing ethylphenidate for one along with many other drugs sound pretty similar. If I ever remember to pick up a 5ml oral syringe from the chemists when I go to town then it will be on the cards.

Yeah the veins I've been abusing are due for for some long recuperation. I really have been on a somewhat obsessive IV mission having felt like a kid with a new toy and no real good has come of it apart from the kick I get from injecting but am now wise to the fact that I need to treat my body with much more respect than I Have shown it of late though I have to say that it's been an interesting learning curve. I'll be exercising a bit more common sense from now on though this will not go as far as for me to yet abandon my attempt to successfully IV via the jugular though I have my doubts that I'll succeed with with any reliable success given my limited success so far, will likely abandon that mission sooner or later but I'm not beaten yet. I'll update the results of my efforts in due course.

 

[tricomb]

I was able to stop my addiction to the needle by switching to the rectal ROA. Once I had that, stability slowly came back to my life, closer to being in control than I have been in a long time.

My DOC obviously wasn't EPH, but if I could stop shooting heroin, cocaine, crystal, etc, IV EPH --> rectal EPH should be a walk in the park.

 

[tentram]

if the drug is highly water soluble, which i think EPH is (correct me if i'm wrong), there is no need for a 5ml barrel. you can simply take the tip off an 1ml insulin syringe, mix and inject. you don't need extra solution unless it's required for solution, ie - morphine sulphate and oxycodone.

 

[tricomb]

^I think that the 5mL rig was with intentions of plugging, which I think is the best syringe you can use for most rectal drugs.

 

[Blake7]

CH - I note with interest that the woman in the video is inserting the needle at 90° to the vein, now I don't know if this is a typical method of administration or her own peculiar method but seems worth a try given my lack of success entering the vein at a shallow angle so I'll give it a try later.

 

[Blake7]

I was able to stop my addiction to the needle by switching to the rectal ROA. Once I had that, stability slowly came back to my life, closer to being in control than I have been in a long time.

My DOC obviously wasn't EPH, but if I could stop shooting heroin, cocaine, crystal, etc, IV EPH --> rectal EPH should be a walk in the park.

I appreciate that you've had your own journey with the needle and appreciate how far you have come down that long road. Rightly or (likely) wrongly and for better or worse, mine clearly has someway too run yet though to what end I wouldn't like to say but don't foresee a horror story layed out in front of me but who can tell.

 

[tentram]

^I think that the 5mL rig was with intentions of plugging, which I think is the best syringe you can use for most rectal drugs.

i generally use 3 or 5ml luer locks myself, they are better overall. if you've only got access to 1ml sharps it's obviously still doable though, no difference whatsoever except maybe familiarity for those who usually use 3 or 5ml - just plugging is usually associated with larger barrels for the most part.

 

[Blake7]

if the drug is highly water soluble, which i think EPH is (correct me if i'm wrong), there is no need for a 5ml barrel. you can simply take the tip off an 1ml insulin syringe, mix and inject. you don't need extra solution unless it's required for solution, ie - morphine sulphate and oxycodone.

If you've ever tried to snort ethylphenidate with the likely resultant nosebleed and if you could see what dilutions of up to 100mg ethylphenidate in 1ml of water have done to the veins in my feet, not to mention the terrible stomach ache I got from bombing 100mg of it on a relatively empty stomach, you would understand why I wouldn't consider diluting an intended dose of 70mg and on occasion up to 100mg in anything less than 5ml of water for rectal administration
The thought of a lesser dilution makes my eyes water just thinking about it.

 

[tentram]

ahh ok. so is it rather caustic (corrosive, burning) to your veins? definitely best to dilute as much as possible or neutralise if you can. or avoid putting it straight into your veins.

if you do decide to plug start out with a tiny tester to see if it produces any type of burning sensation/reaction. i don't think you want to burn that ring out, right?

maybe try searching for posts that contain talk about rectal administration of EPH?