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Jobseeker's Allowance Megathread ver. The Jeremy Kyle Fan Club

tranceaddict84 said:
And I'm not advocating forcing people into whatever shit unsuitable job possible just to get them off the dole -- they'd still be on the dole -- but get them either doing something to increase their employability or in the case of the minority who really are beyond hope, just doing something vaguely useful to society so they're not getting money for doing nothing.
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So when you get a plumber or a bricklayer or a computer programmer who used to earn 30,000 a year you force him out picking up dogshit or working in a charity shop to "improve his employability"? All you'd end up doing is putting charity shop workers and council workers on the dole - why pay someone when you can have the work done for free by a dole slave? These are real people you know - they don't just exist so you can get some vicarious thrill out of punishing them. Why don't you advocate sending the bankers out picking up dogshit seeing as they got a fortune from the taxpayer for demolishing the economy?

As for working 12 hours for £60 a week - as Spade said FUCK RIGHT OFF.
 
Ismene said:
So when you get a plumber or a bricklayer or a computer programmer who used to earn 30,000 a year you force him out picking up dogshit or working in a charity shop to "improve his employability"? All you'd end up doing is putting charity shop workers and council workers on the dole - why pay someone when you can have the work done for free by a dole slave? These are real people you know - they don't just exist so you can get some vicarious thrill out of punishing them. Why don't you advocate sending the bankers out picking up dogshit seeing as they got a fortune from the taxpayer for demolishing the economy?

As for working 12 hours for £60 a week - as Spade said FUCK RIGHT OFF.
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You're right. It's too much. That's a better rate than someone working full time at minimum wage who's hourly take home rate for a 45 hour week would be £4.84
 
Ismene said:
So when you get a plumber or a bricklayer or a computer programmer who used to earn 30,000 a year
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There is a difference between short term unemployment <6months and the permanent unemployed/unemployable scrounger type without a valid reason that ain't bullshit.
Making dog shit slushies wouldn't go amiss for the latter.
 
Ismene said:
So when you get a plumber or a bricklayer or a computer programmer who used to earn 30,000 a year you force him out picking up dogshit or working in a charity shop to "improve his employability"? All you'd end up doing is putting charity shop workers and council workers on the dole - why pay someone when you can have the work done for free by a dole slave? These are real people you know - they don't just exist so you can get some vicarious thrill out of punishing them.
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So you'd rather allow anyone who doesn't want to work carte blanche to sit on their arses and scrounge, while at the same time doing nothing to help the millions of genuine unemployed people desperate to work who could really benefit from more experience, confidence and a decent employer reference?

I don't understand why you're being so hostile, and I still think you're getting the wrong impression of what I'm trying to suggest. This is nothing to do with "punishing" unemployed people or making them "dole slaves"; as I stated earlier it's quite the opposite, with the possible exception of people who are perfectly able to work but simply don't want to, which makes them completely legitimate candidates for compulsory dog shit duty.

I realise that as we're in a recession there are not enough jobs to go around and we can't create additional jobs out of thin air. But maybe, just maybe, if the job centre were more proactive about actually helping people, we could reduce the benefits bill and maybe help the economy recover, creating more jobs in the long run. I know I'm being idealistic here, but surely anything would be better than the current system?
 
That's a better rate than someone working full time at minimum wage who's hourly take home rate for a 45 hour week would be £4.84
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£4.84? That's not the minimum wage. It's not shy of £6 these days, £5.95 I thought. And seriously who works for minimum wage anyway? I certainly wouldn't and haven't done since I started working at 16 whilst still at school, definitely wouldn't start now.

Something which tackles the problem of all the long term unemployed who simply don't want to work does have to be done but you can't go forcing everyone to pick up dogshit 12hrs a week for £65 JSA.
 
Can someone point me to a white paper, think-tank proposal or media soundbyte where "picking up dogshit" was suggested as one of the menial tasks likely to be given to such a Dole-slave Army?
 
No proof needed, we all know the Tories would love to have the lower class picking up dogshit.
 
Senior aides to David Cameron are bracing themselves for a major damage limitation exercise next year when families who can no longer afford to pay their rent start to be evicted.

The cuts which take effect from next April will cut the maximum housing benefit which can be claimed from £103,000 to £20,800 a year, or £400 a week.

Experts said it was likely thousands of people renting from private landlords would have to find alternative accommodation.

Department for Work and Pensions figures show that 5,170 people currently receive more than £400 a week in housing benefit to help pay rent to private landlords.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...se-of-80-per-cent-cut-to-housing-benefit.html

About bloody time, if getting that amount of money in benefits for housing ain't milking it I don't know what is.
 
Let's be honest though, most families do not get 103,000 a year in fucking housing benefit do they?

edit: oops misread week as month xD

Is the maximum amount paid to a family dependant on average housing costs in the area?
 
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TheSpade said:
£4.84? That's not the minimum wage. It's not shy of £6 these days, £5.95 I thought. And seriously who works for minimum wage anyway? I certainly wouldn't and haven't done since I started working at 16 whilst still at school, definitely wouldn't start now.

Something which tackles the problem of all the long term unemployed who simply don't want to work does have to be done but you can't go forcing everyone to pick up dogshit 12hrs a week for £65 JSA.
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Read more carefully, if you can.

45 hours per week at min wage, less tax & NI, means you take home £4.84 for each hour work.

I thought you'd been to uni. You can't even read. I want a refund on your education
 
I think you'll find that the real hardcore scroungers are mostly on incapacity benefit these days-not entirely through their own fault, as the last Con. government pushed a lot of people onto IB just to get the jobless statistics down- but it makes my blood boil and my gorge rise when I see some skanky little 18 yr old signed off by some idiot GP who clearly doesn't live on the same planet as the rest of us.The little darling is "too depressed to work". FFS, how does the little tosser know? He's never worked in his life!All the studies show that the worst thing someone who's genuinely depressed can do is sit around doing nothing, brooding on their condition. And what did these people do before we had a welfare state anyway? Lie down in the fields and wait to die?No, they got a kick up the arse from their parents and peers and had to get on with it. I'm with Lenin on this one-"He that does not work shall not eat."
 
wibble said:
Let's be honest though, most families do not get 103,000 a year in fucking housing benefit do they?

edit: oops misread week as month xD

Is the maximum amount paid to a family dependant on average housing costs in the area?
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No idea, my luv.

1700 sovs per month isn't exactly the stuff of breadlines though... I think we pay £800-900 per month (maybe more to keep long-term interest down).

I can see that it might not stretch as far in inner-city London, but London's a bit of an outlier because of its disproportionate income inequality and ridiculous rentals.

Besides, if one can't maintain payments on a mortgage, you're forced to look at other areas that you can afford. Housing benefit can't be allowed to subsidise extortionate landlords. Of course, if we had greater control over social housing, that might not be as bigger factor... but that ship sailed in the early 90's.
 
Pretty sure HB payments are based entirely on the going rate for area you live in. Last place I lived the rent was £50/pw - here it's nearer £80/pw. Both got paid in full and in neither case do I see a penny of it - goes straight to the landlords and you have to supply documentation to prove that your rent is what you claim it is, dontcha know. It's not like I can put in a claim for double the amount and pocket the difference.
 
tranceaddict84 said:
So you'd rather allow anyone who doesn't want to work carte blanche to sit on their arses and scrounge, while at the same time doing nothing to help the millions of genuine unemployed people desperate to work who could really benefit from more experience, confidence and a decent employer reference?
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But what experience are you providing with your 12 hours work? If the job was worth a wank then someone is already going to be doing it and getting paid arn't they? So the only "work" you're going to be offering the unemployed is punishment type work - ie cleaning graffitti and picking up dogshit. You'd be as well making them get up at 5am and dig a 6 foot by 6 foot trench and then fill it in again. That would teach them as much "confidence" as picking up dogshit and at least you wouldn't threaten the jobs of council workers who are paid good money for picking up dogshit.

If the jobcentre assessed people based on their strengths and requirements they could then assign them to an appropriate part-time, unpaid position with a local authority, council or similar public sector employer. Sort of like the work experience placement most of us will have done through school when we were about 14-15.

Get real trance - there isn't the money to put together a programme like that. You'd need to double the welfare budget just to hire enough people to administer it, never mind actually find part-time work for 2.8 million people. It isn't going to happen.
 
If the Government are going to force people into work that genuinely needs done then they should create a whole sector of new jobs and pay people properly to do them, solves the unemployment problem. If you're on the dole for a certain period of time (6-12 months?) you get priority, if you refuse then maybe they think about about scrapping your dole, but it has to be a proper job with proper wages.
 
JJ-180 said:
And what did these people do before we had a welfare state anyway?
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They were brutalised in workhouses, starved in extreme poverty and died in the army and navy. The good old days eh?

I'm with Lenin on this one-"He that does not work shall not eat."

That's actually a quote from the bible that Lenin said. And Lenin was a murdering, robbing sack of shit who helped himself to a fortune while murdering anyone who disagreed with him. Not exactly the kind of guy we want to emulate.
 
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