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Jews in Eastern Ukraine advised to "register" as Jewish by Russian paramilitaries

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Jews in Eastern Ukraine advised to "register" as Jewish by Russian paramilitaries

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Russian invaders who have taken over official buildings in Eastern Ukraine have infuriated John Kerry by expressing a number of xenophobic notions including the one described below...

Is that Putin knob anti-semetic as well as homophobic & an all round cunt, or what? :X

Mr Kerry said the extent of the crisis had been highlighted in recent days by the "grotesque" sending of notices to Jews in eastern Ukraine, demanding that they register themselves as Jewish.
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from - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27072351
 
And bizarrely much of the excuse for Russian tinkering in Ukraine has been their supposedly neo-nazi stand-in government. I have no idea if the Ukranian government are neo-nazis - it wouldn't surprise me from some of what I've seen and heard - but it does seem kinda stoopid using anti-Semitic stuff when that is one of your big excuses for engaging in an act of invasion.
 
Indeed, nice observation!

Russia has blocked every effort to intervene in Syria. Instead of punishing Putin directly for Crimea & Eastern Ukaranian invasions, the West should act as a multi-lateral force in Syria to over-throw Assad.
 
Doesn't sound good tho if it's true. Only thing I know about Ukraine is that it was an area of Russia that welcomed the Nazis and when the Einzatsgruppen squads arrived in many towns they simply suggested to the Ukrainians that they kill the jews and they happily did it themselves.
 
... sounds as if most of the locals of Eastern Ukraine wish to join with Russia anyway... & if they're as bad as that Is, why not just let 'em!?
 
I can see how there can be a "thin end of the wedge" argument. Russia's already swiped the Crimea, at what point would they desist from nicking bits of neighbouring countries? Ukraine is a sovereign state - if Russia was trying that shit with Hungary or Romania or any of the other previous Eastern Bloc countries there'd be uproar. What's the difference with it being "only" Ukraine?
 
who fuckng knows!? All I know is, if we let this slide we set a precedent that will only bring more of his sort of thing in future.

Ukraines new government is looking very weak. They send troops into the area being invaded by Russians, & their own, Ukranian folk physically prevent the troops from entering their towns & in some cases seize their equipment & hand it over to the Russians.
 
The BBC reports...

John Kerry says...


Must be true then 8)


Si, why should America wade into Syria? What about all the other countries around the world with terrible leaders? All the ones that haven't made enemies of Saudi kings?



John Pilger is spot on. The key line is "Imagine the response if this madness was reversed and happened on the US's borders."

If you look at it from that point of view Russia are being more than reasonable. Imagine what America would do if Russia overthrew the Mexican government with plans to start skelping military bases down on the border of the US? Think 'Cuban Missile Crisis'.

It seems like the tide is turning so much here that even the Guardian has to start reporting on the coup. They put in a fair shift dodging any mention of it for a while. It's probably because they have been getting hammered for being nothing more than a propaganda tool and losing all credibility on any Ukraine thread with open comments.


Shambles said:
I can see how there can be a "thin end of the wedge" argument. Russia's already swiped the Crimea, at what point would they desist from nicking bits of neighbouring countries? Ukraine is a sovereign state - if Russia was trying that shit with Hungary or Romania or any of the other previous Eastern Bloc countries there'd be uproar. What's the difference with it being "only" Ukraine?
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Ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Plus the history of the country itself. Plus the Black Sea Fleet. They didn't exactly "swipe" Crimea, despite what you might have read in the news.
 
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Must admit with Pilger saying the people who took over in Kiev are "pro-nazi, anti-semetic" it makes you wonder who you should be supporting.

Reading a bit of history and it says that western ukraine and some of the baltic states (lithuania in particular) were the keenest nazi-supporting areas. Ironically the only disagreement the western ukranians had with the nazis was when they demanded "independence" - whereupon the nazis had them arrested and shot.
 
I'm not basing support on someone claiming the other side are pro or anti nazi. It's an easy allegation to fling about.

NATO (read The USA) are out of control.

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Is it even possible to deny the US attempts to rule the world with a straight face any more?
 
It's actually the West that has been creating instability in Ukraine and helping extremists, most of the rioters in Kiev came from far right groups, they use the word democracy freely, but the vast majority of them are Neo-Nazis, the meddling has been initiated by the US and their lapdog the EU.

Russia is merely reacting to it. I also find the claims unfounded, perhaps it was anti-Russian paramilitaries that required the Jews to identify themselves, Jews in Russia have no problems and some of the richest oligarchs are Jewish, as are media magnates and politicians.

The last thing you can accuse Russia and Putin of is anti-semitism.

It sounds like typical Western propaganda, Western Ukraine activist and paramilitaries are far right, the Russian armed forces are only there to protect ethnic Russians from those animals.

I'm a huge fan of Putin by the way, I might have mentioned it here and there.
 
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Can you really be a fan of a leader like putin tho kenny? If you got in his way he'd put his foot so far up your arse you'd choke on his bootheel.
 
About the OT - This from RT (i know, but you'd have to be blind to not notice that it's been much more reliable lately than our MSM (and kerry, which is the same thing))

http://rt.com/news/kiev-troops-southeast-ukraine-244/
" During the press conference, Kerry also referred to a letter that was allegedly sent to Jewish citizens in Ukraine’s eastern town of Donetsk, asking them to register. Kerry slammed this as “intolerable” behavior. “In year 2014, after all of the miles traveled in all of the journey of history, this is not just intolerable; it's grotesque, is beyond unacceptable," he stated.

This is the document that John Kerry has just referred to - calling on Jews in Donetsk to register. pic.twitter.com/6s5rnftKJ0
— Kevin Bishop (@bishopk) April 17, 2014

The letter which Kerry referred to was stamped and signed by Denis Pushilin, who was identified on it as “People’s Governor.”

Pushilin denied the alleged letter, claiming it is fake. He noted that he is not and never was the so-called People’s Governor. “No one has ever elected me as one,” he told RT.

He also added that the stamp on the letter is bigger than the stamp's actual size. “The stamp on the letter is larger and looks like it has been photoshopped.” "


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Also on RT earlier - saying that the film the bbc were showing of an eastern ukrainian 'militant' who later admitted to being a russian officer, was faked. Again, i klnow it's RT, but which side has current form on faking videos from insurgents (check out Agnes Miriam's work in Syria if you don't know the answer)


///Saying that, it's still a bit strong to call the coup governement of kiev fascist or anti-semitic in the usual sense (it's leader is a Jew for a start); it's another neo-liberal puppet government - the politics are arbitrary (it's more relevant that the leader is ex goldman sachs than that he's jewish) - but there are several proper nazi-types in the government, for pragmatic reasons (they're the main thugs available).

Also, modern european facsists are just as likely to be anti-muslim, and admire israel/zionism (as in brevik) (if you look into the history, zionism (which obviously is not the same as jewish) wasn't necesarrily always opposed to nazism anyway...(in the 30s they had similar views of racial purity (as did many europeans) and sending the Jews to Israel, which lead to some secret agreement/proposal (can't remember the source - won't be hard to google...))
 
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Ismene said:
Can you really be a fan of a leader like putin tho kenny? If you got in his way he'd put his foot so far up your arse you'd choke on his bootheel.
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I'd bang him but he's an utter cunt
 
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Ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Plus the history of the country itself. Plus the Black Sea Fleet. They didn't exactly "swipe" Crimea, despite what you might have read in the news.
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'Swipe' in the sense it was considered to be part of Ukraine up until it suddenly stopped being. National borders are pretty arbitrary things and I'd much prefer it if decisions over which government is in charge of which bit was done without all the military posturing and suspect paramilitary-types. That may be a tad idealistic and unrealistic but diplomacy and democracy seem a better option than implied force - admittedly implied force is better than actual force.

And there's quite a large English population on the Spanish coast - does that mean England can walk in and take over cos there are a fairly large proportion ethnic Brits there?

That aside, I tend to agree with your point about what would happen if there was a similar coup in Mexico or Canada - the US would be doing something broadly similar I suspect. Certainly wouldn't just sit back and do nothing anyway.
 
Shambles said:
National borders are pretty arbitrary things and I'd much prefer it if decisions over which government is in charge of which bit was done without all the military posturing and suspect paramilitary-types. That may be a tad idealistic and unrealistic but diplomacy and democracy seem a better option than implied force - admittedly implied force is better than actual force.
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This.

The trouble with the USA is, they think they own the world. And we in the UK are only too happy to acquiesce to whatever demands they make. Probably because they are the only country who actually like us anymore. The only reason we haven't been blackballed from the EU is that there's still enough oil in the ground for it to be worth the considerable effort of persuading certain oil-producing countries that there would be plenty of cool stuff to be bought with funky silver in the middle, gold round the edge coins -- cooler even than the stuff you can buy with those silly pieces of paper, all the same size and shade of green -- if the much less easy task of persuading Britain to join the Euro could be achieved. Then there would be no need to buy dollars and so allow the Americans to cream a bit off each oil transaction. Of course, if enough of Europe develop alternative energy sources and end up not requiring to buy so much oil, they won't need our additional buying power anyway; and our continued membership, the only thing which prevents them from imposing punitive economic sanctions on us, may well be negotiated in ex parte proceedings.
 
Shambles said:
'Swipe' in the sense it was considered to be part of Ukraine up until it suddenly stopped being. National borders are pretty arbitrary things and I'd much prefer it if decisions over which government is in charge of which bit was done without all the military posturing and suspect paramilitary-types. That may be a tad idealistic and unrealistic but diplomacy and democracy seem a better option than implied force - admittedly implied force is better than actual force.

And there's quite a large English population on the Spanish coast - does that mean England can walk in and take over cos there are a fairly large proportion ethnic Brits there?

That aside, I tend to agree with your point about what would happen if there was a similar coup in Mexico or Canada - the US would be doing something broadly similar I suspect. Certainly wouldn't just sit back and do nothing anyway.
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If there was a similar coup in Mexico America would not have calmly taken over the part of the country that is important to them. They would be dropping nuclear bombs on people.

The England Spain thing isn't a similar situation at all and I think you know it. (Although, there are a lot of Brits in the Falklands...)

Edit - Those English people moved to Spain btw. The Russians in Ukraine, for the most part, did not move there.

Look at what happened to the democratically elected government in Ukraine. Look at what has happened to democratically elected governments throughout the world when they didn't bow to the US. How could diplomacy and democracy be an option for Russia? It only could after some sort of military force. "Please NATO, let me keep my Black Sea Fleet in Crimea and don't build any bases on my borders. Please" Aye that would have worked.

To Russia's credit the military force was minimal. Crimea taken without a shot fired. Again, imagine it the other way around. America would probably have bombed the shit out it for weeks before even putting any troops on the ground.
 
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