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Jail/Prison

Khadijah

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With the people I know who been in jail, whether it was for a month or 2 or 6 or 9 in county, or a year or 2 in Rikers, you see it face to face. its real. that's real time. thats 2 years you dont see your homie for. I know yall here, at least some of yall, got people in jail or prison, or have in the past.

Anyways,

With all the "shouldna done it if you didnt wanna go to jail" and "fuck them they get to watch BET up in there and get college degrees" sentiments here and other places, I wonder if anyone can see the flipside for a minute.

For someone who got wrongly sent in, thats somethin you gotta be mad about no doubt, nuff sed.

but what about the people there, who did do somethin to get there, maybe robbed someone, maybe killed someone accidentally, maybe on purpose. Oh, they got their sentence. and they did their crime. But like most of yall know, its easy to get in trouble. Its easy especially in this world to let a situation get outta hand, to make a mistake, to make the wrong move and say the wrong thing, to let one thing lead to another and all of a sudden youre really fucked.


Imagine if you can, for a second, forget what people did to get in there, forget why they there, forget all that. forget everything and just try and imagine in your mind getting picked up and thrown in jail til you can get bailed.

Imagine you cant get bailed.

You sleep in jail, go to court. go to hearings, court date after court date, court to jail, court to jail, court to jail.

Then imagine you get to sentencing and you get 25 to L.

Back to jail. For 25 years this time. trapped. locked up.

How would it feel

To enter that cell on that first day

And know, that not in a month, not in a year, not in 10 years, but in 25 years, you are gonna be seeing this same cell. day after day after soul crushing day.

I aint saying for you to feel bad for people in there

Im saying, when I sit here, and think about cats I know, people I heard about, shit I read in the paper, how its so easy to just sit back and watch it all go down..

But how would I feel to know that the next 2 and a half decades of my life, at least, I will be in this place.

I go buckwild if I even stay up in my house for a few days without leaving.

When you pass over it quick with your mind, its like shit, thats a long time. that sucks.

But when you stop for a second and really get into it, really think about it deep, really fuckin feel it, putting yourself there, how does it feel to look at that sentence? how do you feel when you think about what you wanted to do, the things you wanted to get done, the people around you? how does it feel to you?

This aint a thread to talk about whether you think jails fucked up or not or whether people should be there or what crimes they should be there for and blablabla. If you wanna debate that shit go make another thread.

This one is just for anyone who ever stopped to really think about it, and their head spinned just tryina begin to think how it would be if that was them, just tryina imagine, how long that is. To someone who aint even 20 years old yet, thats a long time.

You hear about this shit so much that you get numb to it, another sentence in the news, whatever. you watch COPS and Most dangerous Police Chases where you know running from a officer is a felony, all that shit, on top of whatever the get charged with that they were running from them for in the first place. You see them at the moment they surrender, like , damn, he got nabbed. But imagine if it was you on that TV screen, how would it feel at that very second to know that those are the last minutes of freedom you will probably see in a long time.

when you take it personal and put yourself in that place, shit suddenly looks different. You see someones sentence as you read the police page, just a number.....but what if that was YOUR number?

All i really wanna know is can anyone here put themself in that place...and from that place...how does it feel? I dont think im the only one who ever looked at prison sentences and just had a small aneurysm when it hit me for real, how long that really is to be in such a place.
 
Originally posted by lacey k
All i really wanna know is can anyone here put themself in that place...and from that place...how does it feel? I dont think im the only one who ever looked at prison sentences and just had a small aneurysm when it hit me for real, how long that really is to be in such a place.

Yep. For some reason it's something I think about a lot, and I find the whole idea absolutely terrifying. I guess though, that the shock of confinement does wear off after a while. Not because it gets easier necessarily, but because we adapt. People can become accustomed to the most shocking of conditions. Survival instinct maybe?

It's depressing just to think about it, particularly when you hear first hand about the violence and abuse and rape that goes on inside. Serving time for a crime is one thing, but being subjected to additional punishment at the whim of other prisoners - and being forced into that situation by the state and the justice system, which is supposedly the champion of order and peace and social control - creeps me out.
 
Great post

Keep on staying posative, and aware on how you can avoid this( this being your quote, that I have placed right below) from happening

"But like most of yall know, its easy to get in trouble. Its easy especially in this world to let a situation get outta hand, to make a mistake, to make the wrong move and say the wrong thing, to let one thing lead to another and all of a sudden youre really fucked."


Jail is fucked, period. A bad experience.. Sometimes I wonder why I would even risk 2 or 3 years in jail for a ball of some powder.. you know?

This post is a great eye opener for anyone being stupid, or commiting crimes.

25 years.. yeah, there is NO WAY to know how it feels

Peace and good vibes, and good karma, with the law.
Shine on
-From the south
 
Imprisonment of any sort is a direct affront to human nature, as that is its function. Those with the inclination to break the law automatically become a threat to it. Institutionalization itself dehumanizes the individual, but more importantly the threat of losing one's liberty, which is limited by social norms already, keeps the masses relatively orderly. Those who get caught crossing the line between "legitimacy" and deviance are contained physically and psychologically, and those who choose to live around the law face the constant risk of containment.

I see it as little more than an ultimately symbolic exercise in force. One that relies entirely upon conditions created by the very system it is a part of, especially as seen with the ghettos across the United States. The same individuals who are dehumanized by desperate conditions are further dehumanized by even more desperate conditions. Racism is as prevelant as ever, on a more subtle but still fundamental level. The fragmented and disillusioned African American community, which had a powerful uprising in the sixties that was almost completely subverted by the US Government twisting it into a matter of legislature, poses the most personal threat to the country's stability. This threat is contained by keeping them so economically divided, and a great percentage of them so economically desperate, that solidarity is almost out of the question, let alone not a priority.
 
If the poor people of this fuckin country would stop killing each other and living like there aint no hope, and rise up as one...the government would be so fucked it aint even FUNNY.
 
the government dont care about the poor. they would rather see them killing each other off than spend a dollar fixing the problem.

as for jail "dehumanising" people, most of the people who get put inside are subhuman in the first place.

othere poeple who shouldnt have gone to jail get dehumanised by those exact same people.

i cant stand a night in the watch house let alone a sentence.
 
Different people deal with it in different ways. My uncle is in jail right now, and he begs me to write him every week, lest he feel like a number, but on the whole he's optimistic. He is sort of grateful to be off drugs, because otherwise he wouldn't have had the will to. He is sort of grateful that he's gotten to step back and take a full view of what he's been doing with his life. He is sort of grateful that he's able to read 30+ books a month. Though he misses his son, he knows that when he's out, he'll be better at dealing with life's realities because of the long-needed reflection period. I guess it depends on the person and what he's willing to make of it.
 
^^Thats true...but its a lot easier to go into 2 years with that attitude than to know that for the rest of your life you will never see another thing but the inside of this prison again. then what are you living for?

That is why i admired Tookie Williams so much....RIP, because he went to his death quietly with dignity, and even knowing that it was his life in prison and he would eventually die in prison, he still tried to bloom where he was planted and make something useful of himself and his time while he was in there...respect.

but its easy to say make the best of it...but imagine how it would feel to look at the stretch of all the things that could have been and contrast that to what is going to be for you until you turn 70...
 
What about being incarcerated away from home, in another state, another country, a "non-western" country? Would that strike the same fear into many hearts? The thought has sometimes crossed my mind when travelling. After all, in some of these countries, you are guilty until proven dead, so to speak. As much as I sometimes seemingly argue against the point, I love my freedom. Without liberty, however, that freedom is just an empty shell.

Faced with the choice, I'd still probably take the empty shell over the "25 to life". I'd much rather stare at grey walls in an airport in a repressive country than stare at grey walls in a jail cell with a view of the Statue of Liberty. ;)
 
I'd probably just go around calling people racial words and trying to start trouble till they killed me. Maybe I'd get reincarnated as something better the next time around.
 
version 1/11 said:
as for jail "dehumanising" people, most of the people who get put inside are subhuman in the first place.

I'm tempted to call you subhuman for making such a stupid statement.
 
^^you can call me anything you like, darlin. just dont call me late for dinner !

now, when your quoting, make sure you quote in the right context and give the full quote.

have you been to prison ?
 
version, i dont think most are subhuman, having been to prison (18months) id defintaely say plenty are though. to directly respond to the op's question its just a mind funk. i did a skid bid, and being around people coming off of long bids, or just starting them i cant help but wonder whats in their head. i cant imagine doing life, or even 10yrs. that said if i violate probation im going to end up with atleast 5, so its scary to think about. totally having to rearrange your thought process to allow for the change of home. even after 16months inside i wasnt thinking like thats my home, ya know. ahhh, its nuts, going that long without a woman(only snitches get congicals round here) not being able to be yer own man, shit guy. i definately sympathise with anybody looking at a bid, not counting the rippers/wife beater types.
 
i've been in jail (way out of state) for 3 days. granted that wasnt long at all, but you know what?

it sucked.

not "oh shit, my mom just caught me stealing out of her purse" suck, but "i have absolutely no clue where i am, how long i'll be here, who these people are, and what the fuck is going to happen next" suck.

not knowing what was going to happen, and loosing all control over my situation made those the single most terrifying 3 days of my life. no one should ever have to experience that feeling of utter helplessness.
 
^^

When the people in jail or prison are your family and friends, hearing someone call them subhuman is pretty fuckin offensive and ignorant dont you think?

Peopel who break probation too many times aint subhuman. People who take 5 dolalrs from a car then end up with a 2 year postponement of court and trial dates and legal circus over it and end up in jail on tampering with evidence charges because they tried to hide a bag of weed that was on them while being searched aint subhuman. people who are drunk, and sleep in the car, while parked, and neighbors call the cops on them because they see them slumped in the car, and get DUI's for it (i seen it happen so dont even say that its ridiculous, with the keys out of the ignition, sleeping, but in the drivers seat, they blow a .08 and catch a DUI.) they aint subhuman. people who cant afford to pay their fines so they get locked up, they aint subhuman. so i gotta disagree with you 100% there.
 
it sure sucks to live 25 yrs in a cell, even for a brutal killer. but it sucks even more to lose your loved ones by a bullet from that brutal killer.
 
lacey k said:
^^

When the people in jail or prison are your family and friends, hearing someone call them subhuman is pretty fuckin offensive and ignorant dont you think?

Peopel who break probation too many times aint subhuman. People who take 5 dolalrs from a car then end up with a 2 year postponement of court and trial dates and legal circus over it and end up in jail on tampering with evidence charges because they tried to hide a bag of weed that was on them while being searched aint subhuman. people who are drunk, and sleep in the car, while parked, and neighbors call the cops on them because they see them slumped in the car, and get DUI's for it (i seen it happen so dont even say that its ridiculous, with the keys out of the ignition, sleeping, but in the drivers seat, they blow a .08 and catch a DUI.) they aint subhuman. people who cant afford to pay their fines so they get locked up, they aint subhuman. so i gotta disagree with you 100% there.

im not talking about the "non-hardcore criminal" type.

even though im well versed in human behaviours, i was not prpared for the type i saw in prison. it made me vomit. if you had been there yourself, you would see what i mean.

people who break there parole are just dickheads. pure and simple. why ? cos if you have been and you break, you deserve what you get.

no fukn tears.

as for brutal killers... well, they dont get fukn parole.
 
version 1/11 said:
^^you can call me anything you like, darlin. just dont call me late for dinner !

now, when your quoting, make sure you quote in the right context and give the full quote.

have you been to prison ?

I didn't quote anything out of context. What I quoted represented exactly what you said, and the rest of the post didn't alter the meaning of it.

And no, I have not been to prison. You didn't strike a nerve, other than my annoyance with those who believe that those who are caught breaking the law are somehow "less human" than those who get away with, or those who choose to be complacent.
 
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