Jail/Prison

[Zero the hero]

so all people in prison are "hardcore criminals" and "dickheads"?

Yeah, well, sorry to say, but I've known/know MANY people that are either doing time now or have done time (including two who are serving life sentences at present) in the past they usually (though not always) fall into either one or the other or both of those categories...

i can't remember the percentage, but it was something like 1/4 of our prison population is inhabited with non violent drug offenders. Some real murderers there, eh?

Your point is...?

What does "non-violent drug offenders" include? What does that really mean? What's the average sentence for the people convicted of these crimes? What percentage are doing state time as compared to those doing federal time? What percentage of these people were caught with minor amounts of drugs used for personal use compared with those caught dealing or moving serious weight? What percentage of these people had previous priors? How many and priors did they have on average before they received any type of jail sentence? List the seriousness of these priors (possession, murder, assault, etc...) in relation to incarceration. I could go on...

My friends dad is getting out in 5 years. He got a 10 year sentences because of a DUI, a third heroin posession charge, and because he was poor and mexican.

Let's see, he's been caught with heroin (which, like it or not, is illegal) THREE TIMES previously! Then, he got a DUI, and to everyone’s shock and surprise he got time! What other priors does this guy have? He's obviously a junkie and most long term junkies will have previous convictions for things like theft, break and enter, etc. I'd be very curious to know what this dudes sheet looked like. That said, did he get a dime for simple possession and a DUI (which I'm not saying couldn't happen in a country where you can get life for stealing a pizza)? I don't know for sure. Did his race have anything to do with his sentence? It’s a reasonable possibility that it may have. My point is that the severity of the sentence suggests that chances are there’s more to the story than you’re aware of.

 

[Footloose]

Your point is...?

What does "non-violent drug offenders" include? What does that really mean? What's the average sentence for the people convicted of these crimes? What percentage are doing state time as compared to those doing federal time? What percentage of these people were caught with minor amounts of drugs used for personal use compared with those caught dealing or moving serious weight? What percentage of these people had previous priors? How many and priors did they have on average before they received any type of jail sentence? List the seriousness of these priors (possession, murder, assault, etc...) in relation to incarceration. I could go on...

Non violent drug offenders would be individuals convicted of drug crimes incarcerated in the federal prison system. This could be possession or selling, but if they get caught with a gun or some other violent thing they don't count.

for your other questions, do some research on www.wikipedia.com or www.drugwarfacts.com

Let's see, he's been caught with heroin (which, like it or not, is illegal) THREE TIMES previously! Then, he got a DUI, and to everyone’s shock and surprise he got time! What other priors does this guy have? He's obviously a junkie and most long term junkies will have previous convictions for things like theft, break and enter, etc. I'd be very curious to know what this dudes sheet looked like. That said, did he get a dime for simple possession and a DUI (which I'm not saying couldn't happen in a country where you can get life for stealing a pizza)? I don't know for sure. Did his race have anything to do with his sentence? It’s a reasonable possibility that it may have. My point is that the severity of the sentence suggests that chances are there’s more to the story than you’re aware of.

Thats just the thing man, it all adds up. The thing that finally did it was the DUI charge where he was caught with H and resisting arrest.. mostly white jury +previous offenses + minority = doin time. He didn't have any property crimes on his record, he sold to support his habit... they found over a gram of H on him the last time so they added with intent to distribute, which was hsi first "distribution" charge. I don't know the guy personally, so of course their were other factors... thats not the point though. The point is, being sent away for that long for non-violent crimes is fucked up, regardless of your race.

 

[Khadijah]

And dont forget the carreer junkies who get arrest after arrest after probation violation after violation and so on and dont do more than a few days in county overnight because they are rich white and their dad plays golf with the judge. just pay some huge ass fines, do some 'community service' and keep spendin that trust fund

Footloose im witcha 100% on this one.

 

[MethTheChef]

"The point is, being sent away for that long for non-violent crimes is fucked up, regardless of your race."

Well that's the way it is, people need to take personal responsibility for their actions.

 

[ebola?]

>>Well that's the way it is, people need to take personal responsibility for their actions.>>

And people need to take responsibility for gross oversimplifications that gloss over opression via social structure and the state.

ebola

 

[ebola?]

>>And dont forget the carreer junkies who get arrest after arrest after probation violation after violation and so on and dont do more than a few days in county overnight because they are rich white and their dad plays golf with the judge. just pay some huge ass fines, do some 'community service' and keep spendin that trust fund>>

Not to mention disparities in sentencing between crack and cocaine hcl.

ebola

 

[MethTheChef]

>>Well that's the way it is, people need to take personal responsibility for their actions.>>

And people need to take responsibility for gross oversimplifications that gloss over opression via social structure and the state.

ebola

i don't mind the drug laws in my country. if you're greedy or stupid enough to be caught multiple times carrying enough drugs to land you in jail, then it may be a good lesson for you.

 

[LiveIllegal]

i don't mind the drug laws in my country. if you're greedy or stupid enough to be caught multiple times carrying enough drugs to land you in jail, then it may be a good lesson for you.

Even the slickest of the slick are prone to finding themselves at the wrong place at the wrong time, and no one is immune to snitches.

 

[MethTheChef]

Even the slickest of the slick are prone to finding themselves at the wrong place at the wrong time, and no one is immune to snitches.

thankfully so.

 

[jbyrd]

i plead guilty to 198 grams of mdma and did my time 36 to 47 with a downward departure for medical purposes ............. i was in there with

BUTCH JONES DO A SEARCH ON HIS NAME............

it sucks to realize how many friends u really have... it dont matter how many rave parties u throw in detroit ... ppl dont like to tlakt to ya when u in 23 hour lockdown .,,,,, yes they had no classes just a radio , food , and tv yes thats the feds./..... but i held it down so fuck you all that know me /werd\

jbyrd livewire/powersound detund and local 313

peace

 

[MethTheChef]

"it sucks to realize how many friends u really have... it dont matter how many rave parties u throw in detroit ... ppl dont like to tlakt to ya when u in 23 hour lockdown"

haha...i love it when drug dealers think they have so many good friends. daym shoulda choose another career cuz.

 

[Khadijah]

Even the slickest of the slick are prone to finding themselves at the wrong place at the wrong time, and no one is immune to snitches.

Word up.


And I aint saying america is like this special exception or nothing, but the culture of america is so fucked in so many ways that its a whole nother story over here.

i dont know that people who aint spend time in the ghetto seeing how people live and how unfair shit can be (no doubt some are responsible for where they at) but i dont know if they "get" it....why the shit is so wrong and how it affects everyone involved. i get so fuckin angry at what this system does to people. it dont matter if im white or black or whatever, i still see injustice and it still gives me pain. liek nas said ..."black diamonds and pearls" black people, and white people who see, who undersatnd the struggle and are part of fighting that too, it dont matter yor race if you see whats really goin on and i feel for everyone facing that shit every day of their life, im with them.

seeing day after day after day another black man go to jail for something so fuckin stupid it kills me. and thats black, mexican, boriqua, white too, whatever. poor and ghetto but overwhelmingly black.

and i think people dont care....most white people dont care....politicians dont care...the only people who care are the drug reform activists who see disproportinate amounts of people locked up for ridiculous shit, and it not even correlating with the amount of people who actually do the crimes (something like 71% of drug users in the US is white yet XX amount ( i belive 60%) of people in jail for drugs is black. thats what i remember, it aint exact stats but its still givin you the point. and who else cares, the families and friends of the people who get locked up. who mostly cant do shit about it. everyone else is like you did it, too bad, fuck you, peace.

some people deserve what they get but in such a skewed and twisted "justice" system no justice is served most of the time.

ive had alot of people from other countries question me about shit and im realizing that if you aint from america or at least spent time here really living IN shit, you cant evne begin to comprehend the legacy of failure that people are born into....shit that its easy to slip right into....not from doing something wrong to begin with but simply from not doing anything to prevent it. its hard to explain to non americans what its all about they dont even begin to understand ghetto living (IN THE US) and the effect it has on your life...i aint sayin they dont know what its liek to bee poor in other countires. but im just sayin america got its whole own thing goin on with social classes and the ways of life that people are born into and continue, its so much more complex than "you stole a philly blunt worth 75 cents, your goin to state prison for 3 years so you shouldnt have stole it if you didnt wanna go to jail."

 

[Hypnic_JerK]

I feel like i'm in jail just living my 100% free life... to the point that there are times I wanna blow out my brains. I can't imagine what real jail would be like...

 

[Footloose]

i don't mind the drug laws in my country. if you're greedy or stupid enough to be caught multiple times carrying enough drugs to land you in jail, then it may be a good lesson for you.

So now someones greedy or stupid if they get busted? Its not always something you can control homes. If you have a previous criminal record or are a minority and get pulled over alot of cops won't give a fuck and just search you illegally. Then if they bust you, its your word against theirs, and i gurantee you no ones gives much sympathy to the constitutional rights of people caught with hard drugs or a previous criminal record.

 

[Zero the hero]

i plead guilty to 198 grams of mdma and did my time 36 to 47 with a downward departure for medical purposes ............. i was in there with

BUTCH JONES DO A SEARCH ON HIS NAME............

it sucks to realize how many friends u really have... it dont matter how many rave parties u throw in detroit ... ppl dont like to tlakt to ya when u in 23 hour lockdown .,,,,, yes they had no classes just a radio , food , and tv yes thats the feds./..... but i held it down so fuck you all that know me /werd\

jbyrd livewire/powersound detund and local 313

peace

Wow! You've been to prison?! You where in the same prison complex as "BUTCH JONES" (who ever that is as looking it up would be insulting to my intelligence, though I imagine he's just another other loser con)?! You are just sooooooo cool, tough and all around amazing dude...8)

Seriously dude, grow up, doing time is NOT cool...

 

[Zero the hero]

some people deserve what they get but in such a skewed and twisted "justice" system no justice is served most of the time.

"Most of the time"? Hmm...I'd be interested to see the figures supporting that statement...

Seems that a few of you are all about taking no personal responsibility for actions taken by the individual and the resulting consequences for those actions. Regardless of what you might think, you can't blame everything on the "system", life doesn’t work that way.

 

[bingey]

^
attacking people over the internet and double posting is considered less cool than pedophilia on bluelight

 

[Zero the hero]

^
attacking people over the internet and double posting is considered less cool than pedophilia on bluelight

Well perhaps some people on bluelight should start re-examining their value systems then, don't you think...?

For one, I couldn't care less what a bunch of anonymous people on the internet think of me (especially you) so stop wasting your time telling me about it. Two, next time I want your opinion I'll ask for it (don't hold your breath). Three, it's a PUBLIC forum, that's my opinion and if you don't like it try the ignore function that's what it's for (believe me, I certainly won't mind).

 

[ebola?]

>>Regardless of what you might think, you can't blame everything on the "system", life doesn’t work that way.
>>

Of course, you're right. However, we can explain a great deal via systemic explanations.

ebola

 

[drEaMtiMe*@#]

your mind is the bars of the jail cell that is your life

...

i think what would fuck with me the most if i were in jail would be my freedom of choice being taken away from me. i mean sure we have laws which have been implemented in order to deter people from doing certain things which are considered to be 'wrong' or 'bad' according to social standards, but up until you get caught doing something that is against the law you still always have a choice as far as your decision making goes.

therefore it's the knowing for certain that there wasn't anything that i could do to change my fate that would make me feel extremely anxious in jail, i'd imagine.