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Heroin I've now genuinely lost count..

TheUltimateFixx said:
haha oh I had nothing 'under control' for over 5 years. but I did for a time before, and again since.
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Ime, that control is fleeting. I've met very few heroin users who can "chip" (only use occasionally or rarely) without causing any sort of detriment to their lives. I still struggle with opiates/opioids to a degree, but I'm more than 12 years off the H (not IV) and am so happy I've managed to stay away from that.

Anyways, my 2c is that you're in mourning in a sense (heroin leaves a void) and that's why you're messing around with a kit. I dunno, sounds like you're playing with fire by removing a barrier to impulsive use.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
Oh, I haven't used dependently for years and never was tempted to go back to that. What I can't deal with is never not having ANY at all.
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Will absolutely not replace the feeling and im sure you've tried it, but kratom? It's just a little tickle on the receptors that is enough to keep some away from harder stuff.
 
BK38 said:
Ime, that control is fleeting. I've met very few heroin users who can "chip" (only use occasionally or rarely) without causing any sort of detriment to their lives. I still struggle with opiates/opioids to a degree, but I'm more than 12 years off the H (not IV) and am so happy I've managed to stay away from that.

Anyways, my 2c is that you're in mourning in a sense (heroin leaves a void) and that's why you're messing around with a kit. I dunno, sounds like you're playing with fire by removing a barrier to impulsive use.
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I have among my (limited) personal acquaintances people who have continuously chipped for years, some a decade and more, and never were either physically dependent nor psychologically addicted.

I myself started my using career chipping with no incidence ; I developed an addiction when I started to use the drug for compensation of various problems I was having.
 
daturetard said:
Will absolutely not replace the feeling and im sure you've tried it, but kratom? It's just a little tickle on the receptors that is enough to keep some away from harder stuff.
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I use Kratom and can vouch for it's efficacy. It feels a bit like tramadol-lite to me for some reason. I take 10-20g Muang Dang Kratom every day.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
I have only ever done kratom once twice and hated the taste.
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You've done it once and twice hated the tasted? (Meaning you puked?) Or you've done it once or twice. Extracts aren't as bad. Do you have capsules? Or even toilet paper or rice paper, parachute. It's kinda nasty but when I do kratom that how I do it. Def don't taste as bad tho.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
Short answer, no. Not in a million years.
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Kinda wild. It's legal and for somebody like you will be barely psychoactive. It's not nearly as bad as tobacco or alcohol and im sure he's fine with those two, maybe not the later but still... sorry for your position. I can and can't properly sympathize as I've never been there.
 
Maybe you need to slap him with an ultimatum....like Yo man, I need this here kratom whenever I please OR get to smack once a year OR might fall back into using/OR else I'M GONA HAVE TO LEAVE YOU... which one does he want, you to leave him? You possibly OD from relapse bc of his ultimatum? Or for you to balance things out for your own well being.

Kratom really should not be a problem he sounds sickly strict, controlling, straight and as square as can be...no offense to him but maybe you should have a sit down with him?
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
I have only ever done kratom once twice and hated the taste.
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Yeah, it's pretty gross, but I'm used to it now and actually associate the nastiness with incoming relief. Perhaps capsules are the way to go for you? You can just buy bulk powder and gel caps to keep costs down so you don't have to taste it.
 
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Yeah capsules for sure if you hate the taste but I love quality powder kratom I toss n wash that shit and love it(acquired taste) when u toss it into your mouth, whatever you do..do NOT breathe thru your mouth inbetween picking up your beverage to chase with because believe you me, if you inhale it or toss too big of a dose that you aren't used to..it becomes extremely easy to inhale by accident and next thing you know you are choking and the finally puke..just a heads up. Sooo capsules or extract for sure in your case if you hate the taste
 
This is probably the best direction for an HR perspective, Kratom... seeing how H is soo potent(I've never had, but have had plenty of fent/oxy) and the chance of it being laced with fent although I'm sure you got your ways of getting decent pure real deal.. BUT enough! I do not want to write shit that leads to temptation...sit down with your man and explain your feelings and fuck it he gave you an ultimatum and guess what?
You have needs just like he does. I think you both can find a happy medium while being honest with each other. Otherwise it seems this man doesn't care if you were to actually leave him...I mean fuck he put you in that space, I think it's time you express some important things....Otherwise his whole perception of it, making you steer away from that and KRATOM of all things..is silly. You are still recovering and his ultimatum can tempt you more because of the mischievous taboo behind using, period...could end up with a REAL TRAGIC RELAPSE and nobody wants that!

If just am stepping out of line please just tell me, I'm just saying, my square partner has done this to me and the stress led to my addiction being worse off than it should have.

Let me know your thoughts on the matter?
Peace and happy 4th if I don’t get back to yall.
 
Heroin or IV opioids is one of those drugs worth doing everyday or not at all.

It’s overrated and a shitty high
…unless you’re severely physically addicted then it’s the bees knees
 
Opana313 said:
Maybe you need to slap him with an ultimatum....like Yo man, I need this here kratom whenever I please OR get to smack once a year OR might fall back into using/OR else I'M GONA HAVE TO LEAVE YOU... which one does he want, you to leave him? You possibly OD from relapse bc of his ultimatum? Or for you to balance things out for your own well being.

Kratom really should not be a problem he sounds sickly strict, controlling, straight and as square as can be...no offense to him but maybe you should have a sit down with him?
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He's ok with alcohol and weed. So not really 100% square. Kratom would be problematic because it's opiate-like and would basically just be a lame substitute for what I'm really after... and so just pointing to the fact I'm still 'after' it.

There was a time when despite his distaste for H use he was actually willing to let me use every now and again, even to the point where he'd have been willing to learn how to administer narcan and the whole OD protocol in case shit went wrong. You have no idea what a massive concession that was for a man as anti-hard drugs as he is. I squandered that chance for an accommodation with my behaviour.

He's not a controlling partner (I wouldn't put up with that), we do everything by frank discussion and consensus. And like I said at one point he was prepared to look past what was an absolute red line for him ; then I had to go and lie to him, betray his trust, and above all keep pushing the fact I was using in his face (I dunno what was wrong with me at the time). I've had him literally crying (and he's not easy to bring to tears) and begging me to stop more than once and I wouldn't. So if I've made him out to be the bad guy in this situation that is far from the truth. With all the love in the world people have their individual no-gos and this is his.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Heroin or IV opioids is one of those drugs worth doing everyday or not at all.

It’s overrated and a shitty high
…unless you’re severely physically addicted then it’s the bees knees
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Hah!, personally for me it was daily use that got pointless. All it was doing in thr end was keep me well, I had to use stupid amounts to feel anything on top of that. Practically never got a rush anymore. It became more a relief at not being sick than any positive enhancement of the way I was feeling.

Whereas with a tolerance below dependence threshold and 'weekend warrior' style use, I got a much better bang for my buck.
 
I'm getting the impression that your abstinence is not entirely voluntary?

Not an ideal situation as that could breed resentment, but you're doing brilliantly mate. The fact that you've lost count is highly significant. I knew I'd cracked it when I stopped counting the days.

Just keep on not counting...
 
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