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Heroin IV H Trackmarks

InHerOwnWrite said:
i also just have a hard time envisioning any user who IVs once a day and snorts the rest of the day... for me (and it seems like most of us) it was like once I banged something any other ROA wasn't even considered anymore.
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I actually started IVing heroin close to the time I quit, and the last doses I used were snorted. I didn't like the short duration of IV heroin compared to the 6-8+ hour duration of snorted powder.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I actually started IVing heroin close to the time I quit, and the last doses I used were snorted. I didn't like the short duration of IV heroin compared to the 6-8+ hour duration of snorted powder.
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Yeah, but you're clearly an exception- every post i've ever seen from you is something weird like that. I seemto remember you saying somethin like "who needs heroin when you have lsd"? Lol
 
I'll upload photos in a bit get your 'ed down - peace.

Yeah c .heroin I snorted #4 a few times Liked it too lasted 3hr and paned out 8hr. Our UK is all #3 snorting is very weak its meant to be smoked which takes me forever. However I would IV over snort or smoke but I would like it if I could snort if needed more.

With tolerence the high shortens I find. When I IV now I feel the onset then thats it after 60sec-10min but for 3 hr I am pinned abit and no cravings, good mood. I never really have nodded I can't seem to, heroin rush is a COMEUP and nice feel of stimulation for me. If I IV all day and night itd build up adding gbl I find I get tired and can KO but I have never frmo iv h had that "dreamland exp"
 
Chill out everyone, also OP, please use the 'EDIT' function instead of making multiple posts.

I would also say OP, since you're new to IV drug use, you should be careful every time you get a new batch.. Even if it looks the same, has the same stamp, I've experienced large variations in quality in stuff that had the Same stamp and look. Always do a test first using at MOST one bag. Yeah it sounds like nothing, but there have been times in my dope shooting history when I had a fucking huge tolerance, and for one reason or another a friend would throw me one or two bags (when I really would shoot closer to five to get the high I wanted), and I'd do one, and be floored. I've even broken through 24mg of daily suboxone use with one bag of what turned out to be incredibly pure heroin (or some kind of opiate-that's the thing, you never know what you're really getting).

Now as far as your question's go. The best way to keep from getting tracks, and to keep your veins in good shape in general, is to always use clean syringes each time you inject, and to also rotate injection sites on your forearms. Sconce you're new to IV, there is no reason that you should be using your hands (plus they scar up super easily compared to the arms). Also, make sure to use 29-31gauge syringes, never one of those big 22-25gauge mother fuckers, they will tear a hole in you.

Basically, just be clean about the whole thing, and again, rotate spots. I've been shooting drugs for almost six years, which I'm not proud of, but it took about four and a half years to start getting any permanent tracks, and even now I only have a few scars/discoloration on my hands and arms from use.
 
If you're just shooting heroin and you have decent veins, you can avoid any really bad marks....A lot of the worst cases Ive seen were girls with tiny veins that were hard to find and hit....Some people really just don't have the veins to IV...but they do anyway... Collapsed veins can be very noticeable because it leaves an indented line going up your arm...

Tar H will ruin just about anyones veins, I couldn't imagine what your arms would look like after a good 5 years with that shit....

Also, shooting cocaine repeatedly will defnitely give you scars...I think thats where mine pretty much come from, a coupla IV coke runs will tear your arms up....

the less you have to poke yourself the better....I was saying on here a few weeks ago to use 28 guage syringes over 30 guages but I think I meant the other way around...I know theres one that I'd get by accident from the pharmacy that would piss me off...I think it was 28s....Not sure if 29 or 30 is the standard for 1cc insulin syringes...
 
BlueHues said:
If you're just shooting heroin and you have decent veins, you can avoid any really bad marks....A lot of the worst cases Ive seen were girls with tiny veins that were hard to find and hit....Some people really just don't have the veins to IV...but they do anyway... Collapsed veins can be very noticeable because it leaves an indented line going up your arm...

Tar H will ruin just about anyones veins, I couldn't imagine what your arms would look like after a good 5 years with that shit....

Also, shooting cocaine repeatedly will defnitely give you scars...I think thats where mine pretty much come from, a coupla IV coke runs will tear your arms up....

the less you have to poke yourself the better....I was saying on here a few weeks ago to use 28 guage syringes over 30 guages but I think I meant the other way around...I know theres one that I'd get by accident from the pharmacy that would piss me off...I think it was 28s....Not sure if 29 or 30 is the standard for 1cc insulin syringes...
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cocaine is what really fucked me too.... its not like dope where a couple shots will suffice
and i always used 29 gauge syringes.... not too big not too small
 
Yeah, it should take you many years to start getting permanent scars and actually collapsing veins.. If it's happening after only a short time of using.. there's a serious flaw in your technique.
 
its also surprising how tracks you think are "permanent" can fade over 6 months
but it still sucks to wear long sleeves in the summer lol
 
tackyspiral said:
its also surprising how tracks you think are "permanent" can fade over 6 months
but it still sucks to wear long sleeves in the summer lol
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Yeah. Unfortunately, I can't cover up my hands.. Hah. I guess I could pull a Layne Staley and always walk around in black gloves... I have a few scars that have faded a bit, but I still have a bunch on the tops of my hands and by my thumbs that are pretty nasty and I don't think will go away any time soon. I've caught many people staring at my hands since I got clean.. usually followed by a look of pure disgust. Ha.
 
tackyspiral said:
its also surprising how tracks you think are "permanent" can fade over 6 months
but it still sucks to wear long sleeves in the summer lol
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I dunno, it must vary from person to person, as all the tracks I thought were permanent seem to actually be permanent. I have pale delicate skin, that may play a role. Some have gotten a bit lighter in colour, but they are still very noticeable after years without injecting. I really wish I had put more effort into prevention - if I knew then what I know now... But then again, destroying my veins was a motivating factor in quitting, since it had gotten to the point where would take me all day just to find a vein. Now, years later, I still can't even get blood drawn for lab tests, it takes like 3 phlebotomists trying for hours to finally find some tiny vein that then collapses.
 
I have no tracks. Mostly due to the short duration of my IV use. My tolerance was already so high that even IVing didn't really make a difference. IVing basically just kept me from switching to methadone for another 3-4 months. I was shooting 2-3gs a day and not even getting high and it was some of the best dope in my area.

Being tan does help with tracks, I agree. Pale skin definitely shows scars and bruises much easier.
To prevent infection, tracks, and scarring ALWAYS wash your hands and arms up to your elbows with antibacterial soap for 30-60 seconds before shooting.
Also, wipe the needle (and it better be a brand new needle) and the area you're going to inject with an alcohol swab before you IV.
Afterwards, use an antibacterial ointment and a band aid to keep it clean. This also has the added benefit of hiding marks.
The next day you can start using Vitamin E to aide healing and prevent scarring. Vitamin E is awesome but the sooner you start using it the better.
 
InHerOwnWrite said:
You've got a crazy attitude, man- puttin people down for overdosing on two bags (which i've seen happen) or for not using anymore... You come off sounding like a real asshole who wants to brag about his habit. Good luck with your track marks.
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i didnt put him down for the 2 bags OD, i was shocked that it could happen. After reading his post i lowered my shots to 5 now

but the high and mighty 12 step people who come to a drug forum to talk about staying clean is just ridiculous to me. What addict wants to hear that LMAO
 
^If anything, BL as a whole is pretty neutral and non-judemental when it comes to drugs, you're not gonna find too many people throwing 12 step shit at you unless you go into a recovery thread. It's just that people are trying to be as informative as they can and tell people how to use drugs in the safest way possible...

I use clean needles and my own equipment all the time, but the way I use drugs I wouldn't exactly call safe either. If I started giving out really non-chalant advice to people, especially about IVing heroin, it wouldn't be good....A lot of things I do in practice, I wouldn't recommend to others

I've gave heroin to people for the first time and watched them eventually get addicted and have bad things happen to them as a result. They were in a situation where they would have done it anyway and so I don't feel that bad, but still, however anyone teaches you in the begininning when you first start using is probably gonna dictate how careful you are in the future...For me, ODing is a concern, but MY main thing is always being insanely careful about sharing water, cottons, needles, etc. Just don't do it! Some peoplle think sharing water is no big deal, but it's really easy to get Hep C that way....

anyway, most people that use heroin really likes it, but everyone who does it knows what a fucked up lifestyle it is....You have to always be respectful of the dangers of it, if you're not, you're gonna end up fucked in a hurry! And thats not recovery jargon, that's just the truth!
 
Swimmingdancer said:
Track marks are actually fairly preventable, if you do the following:

- Never ever re-use a syringe! Even if you're just having a hard time finding a vein, after a couple pokes if you haven't been able to register, squirt your dope into a fresh syringe. This causes way less damage and also makes hitting easier.
- Try to keep the number of times you poke yourself to a minimum. Don't fish around. If you're having trouble hitting ask me for some tips.
- Rotate your injection sites, do not just keep using the same place on the same vein over and over, as tempting as that is.

The above 3 are the most important things you should do to prevent track marks, and not just for cosmetic reasons but to avoid destroying your veins and no longer being able to inject in them. You should also do the following:

- Use as thin a needle as works for you.
- Don't use small delicate veins.
- Make sure your spoon/cooker/whatever is completely clean before use.
- Filter your dope with a clean filter. Ideally with a micron filter if possible.
- Use an alcohol swab to clean the site before injecting, let dry completely, then inject.
- After injecting, apply gentle pressure with a clean finger or cotton ball to the site. Keep the injection sites clean.
- Use products like antibiotic/healing ointment, scar gel, vitamin E oil, etc on the sites. I think it's best not to apply it immediately, but these products work much better if you begin to apply them within 24 hrs as opposed to trying to fade scars that are weeks or months old.
- Try not to inject as few times a day as possible.
- Stay well-hydrated.
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Thanks for all the help guys. And I would always use vitamin E lotion after shots, and hydrogen peroxide before. I heard its okay to clean needles with HP and reuse two or three times, dont know how sanitary this is but i'll only risk one re-use. You said a few times as day as possible, I only do 1, at most 2 shots a day.

I thought IV'ing would be crazy intense, everyone always told me one you go IV, you never go back. I definitely feel a faster and warmer rush that feels amazing but its not like I crave the needle-- I still love snorting....even better than the IV to tell you the truth. The feeling of IV is def. better but I love the act of railing (feeling it rush up the nostrils, that amazingly delicious taste and smell).

And to the people who think im lieing, what benefit does that give me? When you need help, lieing about your situation will only amount to a bunch of info that does not help....But people can think whatever they want.Thanks to the all the posters who provided the great informal advice!

P.S. Im not gonna bother posting my daily habit, judging from this thread alone i can tell people will accuse me of lying,showing off and w.e. But yeah lets just say i have an enormous habit
 
I would not be putting Vitamin E lotion immediately after shooting. You don't know if it's sterile... and it's not good for fresh cuts/wounds, etc. You want to put an antibiotic cream on it to make sure it doesn't get infected. Once the small needle prick is closed, probably the next day or day after, you can start with the Vitamin E. And even if you use alcohol swabs, you should still wash your hands and arms with antibacterial soap as well as anything that you're going to come in contact with.

No, it's not okay to re use needles. It's not even so much a question of cleanliness, though that's a factor. After one use the tip of the needle becomes barbed. Tricomb always posts that horrifying picture of a needle up closes after one use, two uses, and six uses.
 
rhun said:
No, it's not okay to re use needles. It's not even so much a question of cleanliness, though that's a factor. After one use the tip of the needle becomes barbed. Tricomb always posts that horrifying picture of a needle up closes after one use, two uses, and six uses.
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^This.

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It seriously destroys your veins to reuse needles. nyc - did you not notice my number one tip to avoid track marks and vein damage was to never ever reuse needles? ;) Even if you clean the syringe (which is not likely to fully sterilize it anyway) it's still going to wreck your veins and make it much more difficult for you to hit a vein.

Also thanks to the people who said I should get a tan to mask scars, it def does help but I live in a sunless place and am too lazy to go to the tanning salon atm ;)
 
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