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mal3volent said:
I think the military operations of WWII did quite a good job of combating the "idea" of Nazism.

I love how you aren't even attempting the "anti-Zionist" charade. You just straight up say "Jewish population". I give you props for at least being honest.
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They did - but Nazis still exist today was my point.

So, based on that, how is the Israeli government going to wipe out Hamas?

Please, explain?

Sorry, where's this magic fairy dust that makes us all forget Hamas ever existed?

How does the murdering of women and children and the flattening of their entire country "help the cause" in wiping out Hamas? Last I checked the relatives of the victims are (just guessing here...) going to be seething with revenge and be even more determined to keep Hamas alive.

You guys just love avoiding the truth, don't you?

But it's all too late now - the fundamental truth remains - most people will associate the Israelis with the punishing genocide of another group of people - and nothing you can say or do now (or in the foreseeable future) is ever going to change this.
 
montel said:
and nothing you can say or do now (or in the foreseeable future) is ever going to change this.
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Why do you always end your posts like this? It comes across as very insincere rhetoric. (It doesn't matter what you say, I'm right! My opinions are all that matters!!)

Also why are you back to saying Israelis now instead of "Jewish population" ? 🤔
 
america needs to man the fuck up and destory the houthis and let the saudis annex yemen.


Even crown prince bin salam supports the jews over the paletstines
 
mal3volent said:
I think the military operations of WWII did quite a good job of combating the "idea" of Nazism.
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German asking: what the fuck is Nazism? That a word?
We have the word Narzissmus, but that means narcissism.

In all seriousness though, the US did a pretty bad job pardoning high-ranking Nazis and inviting them into their country,
and the "de-nazification of Germany" as it was called went as followed:
So you got a sheet of paper that basically said "are you are nazi?" and then a box for yes and a box for no. Figuratively ofc, it was a few more questions. But that's how the idea of National Socialism was combatted in Germany.

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Most high ranking Nazis could escape to either the US or Argentina, and low ranking Nazis were killed by military operations.. If you can call people being dragged to war with no option not to go to war even for boys as young as 10 in the later years "Nazis".

You have to see these logbooks of the people that were stationed at the work or death camps, that are usually on a podest somewhere in the concentration camps. 90% of the highest ranking personal MIA at every camp I have visited(a bunch of them were for school). No confirmed death to this date. You won't believe how many of these fuckers survived
 
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December Flower said:
German asking: what the fuck is Nazism? That a word?
We have the word Narzissmus, but that means narcissism.

In all seriousness though, the US did a pretty bad job pardoning high-ranking Nazis and inviting them into their country,
and the "de-nazification of Germany" as it was called went as followed:
So you got a sheet of paper that basically said "are you are nazi?" and then a box for yes and a box for no. Figuratively ofc, it was a few more questions. But that's how the idea of National Socialism was combatted in Germany.

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Most high ranking Nazis could escape to either the US or Argentina, and low ranking Nazis were killed by military operations.. If you can call people being dragged to war with no option not to go to war even for boys as young as 10 in the later years "Nazis".

You have to see these logbooks of the people that were stationed at the work or death camps, that are usually on a podest somewhere in the concentration camps. 90% of the highest ranking personal MIA at every camp I have visited(a bunch of them were for school). No confirmed death to this date. You won't believe how many of these fuckers survived
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My point was, the allied forces went to war with nazi germany. A person could have called "nazism" an idea back then. How do you kill an idea? Well it seemed to work out quite well , looking at Germany 80 years later.
 
mal3volent said:
My point was, the allied forces went to war with nazi germany. A person could have called "nazism" an idea back then. How do you kill an idea? Well it seemed to work out quite well , looking at Germany 80 years later.
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We still have extreme right-wingers, but all in all it worked out quite well..in Germany.

Italy for example is a different story
 
Social media and social trends are so ridiculous that I bet someone in one month with like $50k to spend on artificially boosting their content could create a large group of people that voice support for Hamas but are against Palestine
 
mal3volent said:
Why do you always end your posts like this? It comes across as very insincere rhetoric. (It doesn't matter what you say, I'm right! My opinions are all that matters!!)

Also why are you back to saying Israelis now instead of "Jewish population" ? 🤔
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I'm trying to make the very obvious point that people are just going to associate Israel (and most Jews by extension) as those responsible for a horrendous genocide - and whilst you or I can go back and forth and make arguments for each side - it doesn't really matter.

People will associate them with a genocide.

I then asked you how I might be wrong?

And once again, you just veered off and failed to address my point.

Oh and all this "we did a great job of getting rid of the Nazis" discussion is utterly pointless - you may have gotten rid of most of them - but there are still Nazis in this world (as in people who believe in that specific ideology). It doesn't matter if they did a good job, a bad job or a mediocre job - the fact remains that there are still people who believe in it.

So, to repeat my question from before - How can Israel kill an "idea"?

I don't expect an answer to either of these points - but you could surprise me.
 
montel said:
I'm trying to make the very obvious point that people are just going to associate Israel (and most Jews by extension) as those responsible for a horrendous genocide - and whilst you or I can go back and forth and make arguments for each side - it doesn't really matter.

People will associate them with a genocide.

I then asked you how I might be wrong?

And once again, you just veered off and failed to address my point.

Oh and all this "we did a great job of getting rid of the Nazis" discussion is utterly pointless - you may have gotten rid of most of them - but there are still Nazis in this world (as in people who believe in that specific ideology). It doesn't matter if they did a good job, a bad job or a mediocre job - the fact remains that there are still people who believe in it.

So, to repeat my question from before - How can Israel kill an "idea"?

I don't expect an answer to either of these points - but you could surprise me.
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That isn't even factual, unless they entirely wipe out Gaza - which they are not going to do. "very obvious" my entire ass

Yeah, how can Israel kill the idea that pretty much all the nations surrounding them want to wipe out Semites?
And they have for half a century. If you want to tell a story, at least tell the entire one: What happened to the Semites when they came back to Israel? They were farmers, they didn't do anything to anyone, they just wanted to live in peace after WW2. They were gifted back their home(yes it was never the West's property, so wtf, but we DID gift them the land) - how could they possibly refuse? They thought they'd get another Jerusalem of old, where all religions could co-exist. Nope.

All that they did was agriculture in the first years. They weren't even armed in the beginning. Fields got burned, villages torn down, women raped, men murdered, children kidnapped, and you come here with your "very obvious point" my fucking ass.
Sorry, but the history of Israel is A LOT more complex than you make it seem. I get your point "boo Jews" - we had a lot of you people in Germany too.

But some people actually have been giving attention to this situation for a long time. Yes, Israel made a lot of mistakes, but what does a traumatized nation do? They are STILL surrounded by people who want to kill them, after 5000 years of persecution. It's fucking insane what they went through, and don't give me fucking "Zionists" or whatever the fuck word you want to use to paint them in a horrible light.

We're talking about a people that lost their home for thousands of years. They were persecuted everywhere because of their faith. Here in Germany we literally made taskword out of killing them. Then they finally get their home back, and AGAIN people just want to murder them for their faith.

You are mostly forgetting, that Hamas, and the money behind it, and countless of countries surrounding Israel, want NOTHING MORE than all of them wiped out. And they have LONG before Gaza was a thing.
How do you defend yourself against that? Ollawei der Adabei he.

Yknow you can claim all day that Israeli soldiers kill children. They do, 100%.
But then don't leave out that Hamas tapes bombs to children and uses them as walking bombs.
How do you defend yourself against tactics like that? Israel never wanted this situation.

There's always multiple sides to a story. And you can't just tell one side and think "that's how the entire world thinks, cuz me smart" - no the entire world does not think this. Not even close. And given other posts in your discussions, I'd just speculate you are an Anti-Semite, and you want to find every possible reason you can to blame Israel.

They didn't even start the conflict 70 years ago. They just accepted a gift of their home, after being persecuted for thousands of years. You are a fucking obrunzter Saudepp if you think anyone in their situation would have refused that gift. You cannot just tell the situation this one-sidedly. It's not "Jew bad. Pal good!" sorry, it's just not, no matter how much you seem to want that.

And the people around the world that agree with you also shout things like "ICH HABE BEI DER FIRMA ISMEIER ALLE FÜNF JAHRE EINEN NEUEN PKW GEKAUFT UND ICH HABE IN BAR BEZAHLT" - it's not exactly the company you wanna keep.
 
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montel said:
So, to repeat my question from before - How can Israel kill an "idea"?

I don't expect an answer to either of these points - but you could surprise me.
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So, to repeat my answer from before - you kill the idea of Hamas by killing as many of the people who want to spread that idea as possible. Just like we did with the Nazis. Yes, there are still people who call themselves Nazis. But they don't govern countries anymore or put Jews and other minorities in gas chambers.

So making the idea itself totally extinct is not as important as diminishing the opportunity for the idea to take hold and do harm to people.

I know one way NOT to get rid of an idea: do nothing and hope it goes away on its own.
 
montel said:
I'm trying to make the very obvious point that people are just going to associate Israel (and most Jews by extension) as those responsible for a horrendous genocide.
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You haven't defined 'people'. I have in a previous post:
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Young impressionable people. People with a Islamic religious bias. And the easily emotionally manipulated. They might.
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It's obvious, from my perspective, that only those with an already inherent bias against Israel (Jews) are the ones who will fit into your statement. The rest of the people can see quite clearly that Hamas caused the current situation by deciding to butcher 1000+ innocent people and kidnap 100+.

Now the people, the unbiased ones, might debate whether Israel is going too far or that the strategy may be in error, but they still all agree that the cause of this is Hamas. Not Israel.

Also, the smart ones already recognise that Hamas actions in October actually constitute a genocide. What's incredible is the mental gymnastics people, your defined people, do to dance around the initial event and pretend it wasn't so.
 
mal3volent said:
So, to repeat my answer from before - you kill the idea of Hamas by killing as many of the people who want to spread that idea as possible. Just like we did with the Nazis. Yes, there are still people who call themselves Nazis. But they don't govern countries anymore or put Jews and other minorities in gas chambers.

So making the idea itself totally extinct is not as important as diminishing the opportunity for the idea to take hold and do harm to people.

I know one way NOT to get rid of an idea: do nothing and hope it goes away on its own.
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I mean yeah Israel could have just not defended themselves. Roll over and die, good strategy.
That's what he seems to be suggesting, I guess..

Some people don't seem to understand how extreme Anti-Semitism is in the Middle East,
and has been long before the Gaza Stripe even existed in that form.

They see the situation now, without giving themselves the benefit of background knowledge, and say "it's obvious, Jews are bad. Palestine has been shrinking ever since they arrived.

It's not even that Israel & Palestine didn't try for a peaceful solution.
They were sabotaged over and over again.
 
Everyone talks about Jewish colonialism and occupation... but it's actually tiny in comparison to Muslim colonialism. They took over large swaths of the world, committing countless of their own atrocities.

I mean, they behead people for drawing pictures of a dude named Mohammed... (the guy who fucks 9 year old girls).

No, you can't use the past to justify the future, but context does matter.
 
Finlands government has some nazis. They have been taken photos of hailing with nazis and writing nazi stuff. It is not thoroughly national socialist government, tho'.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
Finlands government has some nazis. They have been taken photos of hailing with nazis and writing nazi stuff. It is not thoroughly national socialist government, tho'.
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One minister. And it was a scandal.

Jesus if Finland is right-extreme, the US is the fucking dragon's lair
look at them, praying to a flag like a cult, think Americans are somehow superior, God allows them wars, they have the highest percentage of monolingual people, and they don't even visit other countries for vacation.

Finland invades no one. Finland doesn't have secretive prison camps where they torture and murder people in very sadistic ways. Finland isn't leading wars for 80 years. Finland isn't trying to be the moral dictate of the world, while being the most immoral.

O some right-winged blockhead - ThEiR gOv ArE nAzIs
America has right-winged blockheads in their gov too, one was president not too long ago.
Difference is America is proud of it.
 
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