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Thought I'd pop back in and see where this went - at least there are still some sane voices in here.

Honestly, if you're Jewish right now - ask yourselves how on earth you are ever going to shake this image of death?

We are talking decades before people will forget this.

Now they're going to starve them to death - and it's already reached catastrophic levels of hunger for most of the 2 million Palestinians living in Gaza.

First we sit idly by and watch our governments allow them (and facilitate them) in this mass slaughter with bullets and bombs.

Now we're going to watch them starve to death.

Again - the only thing people will associate with Israel from now to the very distant future - is death. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out and, as I said before, no spin doctor, no secret police force, no media connections, no politicians, no people in high places can do anything to change this one very simple, very tragic fact.

What a world we live in - televised genocide. Now we really have reached a whole new level of low.
 
They're replacing the word "jews" in the next norwegian edition of "the bible". Politics.

montel said:
Thought I'd pop back in and see where this went - at least there are still some sane voices in here.

Honestly, if you're Jewish right now - ask yourselves how on earth you are ever going to shake this image of death?

We are talking decades before people will forget this.

Now they're going to starve them to death - and it's already reached catastrophic levels of hunger for most of the 2 million Palestinians living in Gaza.

First we sit idly by and watch our governments allow them (and facilitate them) in this mass slaughter with bullets and bombs.

Now we're going to watch them starve to death.

Again - the only thing people will associate with Israel from now to the very distant future - is death. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out and, as I said before, no spin doctor, no secret police force, no media connections, no politicians, no people in high places can do anything to change this one very simple, very tragic fact.

What a world we live in - televised genocide. Now we really have reached a whole new level of low.
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If i was jewish i'd be very anti Israel right now.

Just like if i was a muslim i'd be very anti islamic terrorism right now.

But then again, jews and muslims are not me and i am not them.
 
I'm not saying all Jews are for this genocide - and I genuinely feel sorry for those that can see this isn't about wiping out Hamas and more about the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people.

The problem is that, on a global scale, that image of death is just going to stick to them, even if they weren't on the wrong side. They will sadly be paying for the misdeeds of a bunch of psychopaths. That's the problem. Hate crimes will soar and they never did anything wrong.
 
It's not a problem that an old stupid religion gets a dent in its reputation.
 
yeah, but "jew" only does not refer to religion but into nation too. And no one chooses which nationality they born into. Jews face unfair amount of discrimination anyway.
 
I think the Jewish people are pretty used to being hated, maligned, and persecuted by now. They've gone through it for centuries. No matter what they do, that's how it will be. They get threatened with total annihilation by one group or another, then they have the narrative flipped around on them. Conspiracy theories run rampant. And they live with it. Because it's better than being exterminated.

@montel i think it's hilarious that you speak of an "image of death" referring to Jews when the people they're fighting literally brag about their love of death. They have vowed to attack again and again for as long as they exist. There is no compromising with that.

Hamas and those who support them have brought death upon themselves. The truly innocent lives lost, most of them would still be here if the terrorist cowards had surrendered. If the UN would have applied pressure. But no, THAT was never even discussed. There were no marches in the street demanding their surrender. Instead the world wants Israel to ceasefire and allow those who want them dead to regroup or escape.

All of your righteous anger needs to be redirected to the true cause of this catastrophe. But it's easier to reframe it in your head as oppressed vs oppressor. Easier to blame "the man" and digest it that way than truly grappling with the idea that Islamic extremism exists and is the root cause of immeasurable death and suffering.
 
Electrum1 said:
Hamas hijacks the humanitarian food aid and takes it into their tunnels
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Of course they do. There are videos of them doing it. They do not give a fuck about their people. In fact, they want as many dead as possible because they know a higher death count is bad for Israel. This is why they are inflating the casualties (to what degree we don't know). This is why they blocked roads and prevented evacuations. This is why they hoard all the resources for themselves.

In their minds all Muslims who die in this conflict are going to paradise as martyrs. So it's a win-win.
 
mal3volent said:
If the UN would have applied pressure. But no, THAT was never even discussed. There were no marches in the street demanding their surrender.
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I don't see the point of applying pressure to terrorist organization in the first place. I don't march against school shooters or people who make carbombs either.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
Do we have someone here who does not consider HAMAS terrorist organization? Hands up. Let's figure this one out.
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The problem of Islamic extremism is much larger than Hamas.

However, there are large swaths of people who see them as freedom fighters and resistance. At the very least, they are broken, downtrodden victims who have been pushed into a corner by the "Zionists".
 
Yeah, HAMAS is governing body, in completely broken state. They don't operate in same way than most others. Gazans didn't even have a vote in last elections, they were held exclusively in west bank. And there was 15 years during which no elections were held. It resembles more a joke than legitimate state.
 
Do you think there is a chance organization like UN or demonstrations around the globe would matter to HAMAS? It could be sanctioned I guess, but at this point it seems HAMAS has other concerns, even if it would otherwise reconsider things.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
Yeah, HAMAS is governing body, in completely broken state. They don't operate in same way than most others. Gazans didn't even have a vote in last elections, they were held exclusively in west bank. And there was 15 years during which no elections were held. It resembles more a joke than legitimate state.
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The UN could have put pressure on the surrounding Arabic countries to put pressure on Hamas leadership.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
Do you think there is a chance organization like UN or demonstrations around the globe would matter to HAMAS? It could be sanctioned I guess, but at this point it seems HAMAS has other concerns, even if it would otherwise reconsider things.
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Hamas, the leadership, isn't in Gaza. They are filthy rich cowardly men living in Qatari high rises. They call the shots, and they could have been "persuaded" to surrender.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
Do you think there is a chance organization like UN or demonstrations around the globe would matter to HAMAS? It could be sanctioned I guess, but at this point it seems HAMAS has other concerns, even if it would otherwise reconsider things.
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The UN matter hugely to Hamas, but not in the way you're imagining. It's via global bodies like the UN, where a vote condemning Hamass actions on 7/10 failed and who consistently criticise Israel and call for a ceasefire, that Hamas win the propaganda war which is the main war they're truly fighting and only war they can possibly win.

Hamas have almost certainly inflated casualty figures and also intentionally put civilians in harms way to motivate groups like the UN to urge greater restraint from Israel. Israel are forced into making strategic choices that other countries aren't forced to make, like broadcasting their upcoming military actions. This has allowed leaders like Sinwar to likely flee south. Analysts of the conflict have suggested that Israel may take the killing of Hamas leaders like Sinwar as a way to claim victory and end the conflict. The UN and other 'humanist' organisations have almost certainly prolonged the suffering of Palestinians by prolonging the actual combat.
 
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