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We as Westerners should feel at least some guilt for what we did to Arabia and Persia. Same with Africa. Or Asia.
I'm not sure we need to feel any guilt for things our ancestors did. Any more than we should feel pride. The most we should do is inform ourselves so we either don't repeat mistakes or indeed do retain and continue doing those things that are of benefit.
 
ok sure

We can talk about how US involvement improved things in Israel if you want. Because it did
for a few years actually.

I know you don't want to hear bad things about your country. But I'm German, I grew up looking at how ugly human nature can be
You have to open your eyes if you want to see the world

If you want to understand Muslim pain, you have to understand what we did to them. And not just what happened in the last 70 years.
Look at medieval Europe, at Southern Spain and Southern Italy, look at the crusades, our systematic eradication of their fate

The situation in Israel is so bad, because we are talking about centuries of pain that flow in the Muslim Zeitgeist.
We as Westerners should feel at least some guilt for what we did to Arabia and Persia. Same with Africa. Or Asia.

Many groups have been mistreated throughout history. Many groups have had pain. On the list of persecuted minorities throughout history, I doubt Muslims would even crack the top ten. So why is it that they've been responsible for nearly all of the most deadly terror attacks? Wouldn't you think the natives here in the US would've done a few bombings by now? We genocided 90% of their population and have relegated them to lives of alcoholism and poverty on reservations to this day. What about black people who were literally enslaved and treated as dogs for centuries? I mean I could go on and on.

So while I sympathize with any group who has to endure persecution, "the pain of Muslims" is not unique and does not give them a right to use their religion as fuel to inflict pain on others.
 
We as Westerners should feel at least some guilt for what we did to Arabia and Persia. Same with Africa. Or Asia.
What do you think the total population of Africa would be if the west didn't spend decades and trillions of dollars sending humanitarian aid like food, vaccines and water treatment plants to Africa? 10% less, 20%, maybe 40%?
 
What do you think the total population of Africa would be if the west didn't spend decades and trillions of dollars sending humanitarian aid like food, vaccines and water treatment plants to Africa? 10% less, 20%, maybe 40%?
are you actually joking? If you never teach your child to cook, how is it going to get food?
It's going to wait for you to make some

We're the main reason Africa is still not standing on its own feet and just relies on us to do everything
 
Many groups have been mistreated throughout history. Many groups have had pain. On the list of persecuted minorities throughout history, I doubt Muslims would even crack the top ten. So why is it that they've been responsible for nearly all of the most deadly terror attacks? Wouldn't you think the natives here in the US would've done a few bombings by now? We genocided 90% of their population and have relegated them to lives of alcoholism and poverty on reservations to this day. What about black people who were literally enslaved and treated as dogs for centuries? I mean I could go on and on.

So while I sympathize with any group who has to endure persecution, "the pain of Muslims" is not unique and does not give them a right to use their religion as fuel to inflict pain on others.
Native Americans do not lead Holy Wars. They have no reformed religion. They are, as you say alcoholics that live in poverty. They have not even close to the money that's behind the Islamic terror attacks.
They are not promised 72 hot unspoiled chicks in paradise if they kill some infidels. On some reservations Americans aren't even allowed at all, so you can't say there's no anger or pain towards America. They pay you back in different ways, by making you addicted to gambling for example. Just as China pays back its pain in a different way, by funneling fentanyl and now benzodope into the US. And China does have a LOT of money and a LOT of anger towards the West.
Not every attack is that obvious.

Uh, because we do the calculating mostly? If America's attacks on hospitals, power plants, schools in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan alone were seen as terror attacks by the West, the US would lead this fucking show. Islamic extremists would count their attacks as a Holy War, you say it's terror. Just like you count your attacks as "bringing freedom to the world..with bombs", but a lot of the rest of the world sees it as terror. Even among your NATO friends, a lot of us see it as terror
And what is bombing a hospital and killing thousands with one strike, if not an act of terror? And your country keeps getting away with it because good people like you get defensive. How can you STILL all defend this? I know Americans, and I know most of the people don't want these wars. So how can your mafioso government still be even ALIVE to this day. French Revolution those bitches already you fucking pussies. There is no escape from your two party dictatorship, get it into your heads. It's a fucking farce. Gustave Le Bon lesson 1: Split your people into two camps to control them.

Do you know how many fucking civilians they murdered in just these 20 years since 9/11? Over 600,000 confirmed civilian deaths. Were those terrorists too? A lot of countries do count these American "wars" as terrorist attacks.
To Muslims, yes the US is a huge fucking terrorist. And was, long before 9/11.

And the only people that could stop this madness are so brainwashed they just keep shouting "U S A! FOUR MORE YEARS!", praying to their flag like a cult, instead of once taking a look at what this absolutely ruthless country is doing. Because it's "un-american" to think critically of the US, and "un-patriotic" to critique your president. Oh how fucking convenient is that?

Personally it doesn't make me wonder that their faith keeps radicalising, when we keep leading wars against them.
How is this ever going to lead somewhere, where they just say "O we love these motherfuckers that keep trying convert us and take our resources and treasures since year 1095, let's become more like them"
It's not like our faith didn't use to be radical. If you wanted a woman who is your prisoner, the Bible said, if she didn't want you back, you could kill her family, shave all her hairs off, lock her inside a dark room for 3 weeks, and after that take her out and marry her.
That's our Holy Bible.

But they never had a chance to become more down to earth. Maybe if we didn't try murdering them all for a millenium...? I wonder
War never leads anywhere. Just name any war that improved things
 
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I'm not sure we need to feel any guilt for things our ancestors did. Any more than we should feel pride. The most we should do is inform ourselves so we either don't repeat mistakes or indeed do retain and continue doing those things that are of benefit.
No we are not AT FAULT for what our ancestors did. But if it repeats we are, and it keeps repeating to this day
Nothing has changed since Western Colonialism. Our leaders are still greedy fucking SOBs trying to dominate the world, unaccepting of the multipolar world we live in today
 
are you actually joking? If you never teach your child to cook, how is it going to get food?
It's going to wait for you to make some

We're the main reason Africa is still not standing on its own feet and just relies on us to do everything

If you really believed they can rise on their own, you wouldn't be placing blame on western aid
 
If you really believed they can rise on their own, you wouldn't be placing blame on western aid
Yeah great help we are. It's a dog leash ffs

I'm sorry - but in the grand scheme of things we are just not the good guys.
Look at the help we give Africa. It's mostly to help the organizations that claim they help Africa.

They get paid a fucking fortune, what does Africa get? It's a freaking scam

How are they ever going to rise on their own if we "help"? That's an oxymoron
Unterstützte Selbsthilfe
 
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We'll see if this actually means anything or not

It looks like a random twitter account but it's legit, he works for BNO News

 
defending yourself against an attack.
when is israel going to finally try defending themself?

and do you really think doing war crimes against an already marginalized and oppressed group of mostly kids, creating more terrorists, is truly making israel safer?
 
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Hamas also fled south to continue hiding among the civilian population. Israel are not bombing civilians, they're bombing Hamas.
Ok haltstop! Before the State of Israel was announced in 1919 and declared in 1948, there were 90% Arabs livin there, 5% Jews and 5% Christians.
In 1948 of around 950,000 Arabs, 800,000 were expelled or decided to leave. Some of them came back later, another 150k or so

Then in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war over 11,000 Palestinian civilians were killed
Countless more in other wars and revolts.

Before 2023 it was 21% Muslim, 74% Jewish, and 5% other Religions

2023 alone just Israeli Air Strikes have killed around 21-22,000 civilians, including approximately 8000 children in Gaza. Those were non-civilians I suppose?
I mean I know the Hamas use kids to strap bombs onto them so I know Israeli soldiers have to SHOOT kids sometimes, but those were Air Strikes..
 
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Gustave Le Bon lesson 1: Split your people into two camps to control them.

My homie Le Bon! lol good to see him get a shout-out, he was an interesting author and accurately predicted WW1 about 20 years or so before it happened (although he wasn’t the only one, Engels and some others also predicted it with creepy degrees of accuracy all the way back in the 1880s)
 
My homie Le Bon! lol good to see him get a shout-out, he was an interesting author and accurately predicted WW1 about 20 years or so before it happened (although he wasn’t the only one, Engels and some others also predicted it with creepy degrees of accuracy all the way back in the 1880s)
Such a great author. But actually Goebbels, and many other high ranking Nazis, used his Mass Psychology book - Goebbels especially had him in mind when he created the Wochenschau.
Germany was already split into two camps - socialists and nationalists - and once they were out of socialists they needed a new enemy for the people. The Jews & Slavs. It wasn't really a prediction in that sense, the Nazis just used his work for their clinically insane plans.

The Jews had taken control over a lot of property in Germany. Banks were owned by them, big businesses, so the people already didn't like them much. Often because as a German in 1930, it was hard to get a job, because many Jewish employees wouldn't employ Germans. Hyperinflation. So the Nazis made full use of the people's dislike and turned it into hate using LeBon's methods. Masses do not think! No matter how intelligent individuals in said masses are.

And for what happens to the Jews once they were carried away by train, the Nazis had "show camps"(Musterlager) like Theresienstadt - you can google that pretty interesting - where Germans could actually go and visit the worker camp. And it's this super fancy camp, barely any work, nice food, etc. No murders, no letting people stand naked in the freezing cold, no hanging them upside down, no driving them insane, no beating, no starving, just a fancy worker camp. Sure the high-ranking Nazis knew, and I'm pretty sure some of the lower-ranking Nazis knew too (although most claimed they didn't in the Entnazifizierungsbescheinigung), and ofc there were rumors about what happens to them, but a lot of the population was held pretty much in the dark.

So pretty sad how his work was used in the end. So much deception to lead the minds of the masses. It's still a must-read.
 
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Yeah in one of my classes in school I read “The Psychology of Socialism”, as well as “Reflections on Violence” by Sorel (who was kind of an admirer and disciple of Le Bon in certain ways). I thought it was interesting how they both predicted how the masses could be harnessed for a reactionary/counterrevolutionary purpose, which pre-WW1 wasn’t a common perspective, as the masses were generally seen by conservatives/the right as threatening, and they wanted to keep the masses as far away from and the power centers as they could. True mass politics was seen as the domain of the left, with the SPD probably being the premier example. But following WW1 and the emergence of fascism, a lot of those predictions by Le Bon/Sorel etc seemed to bear themselves out in certain respects. I’ve heard that other political figures (Mussolini, Lenin, etc) from the interwar period also internalized some of Le Bon’s ideas but that’s just what I’ve heard, dunno if it’s true or not.

Alright I’ll stop derailing the thread now 😜
 
You don't have permission to disagree ...
never have i said that, never would i say that. please try responding in good faith next time.

my point is that one SHOULD not spread misinfo/ disinfo.

and saying israel is not bombing civilians is PATENT misinfo, potentially disinfo... and shows either bad faith or extreme lack of knowledge on the subject. israel does not even deny that they are bombing the piss out of civilians... they just try to (poorly) justify it.
 
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