QuestionEverything
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The fact that it sells doesn't mean it works, it means men want it to work. Huge difference there.
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Is this just horribly wrong, or is that just me...
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antithesis said:
no i dont. i can honestly say i dont. but if you'd care to give me examples where i might go ahead
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
i find it more pathetic that he plays on thier weaknesses, fucks with thier emotions & is proud of it. He is fully aware of the effect it has on these women. A lot of people may sub consiously play on peoples weaknesses but this guy consiously does it
i dont know, i just dont understand that mentality.
downunder83
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What do you mean, it doesn't work????
IT does work, ive studied various PUAs and their philosophies on the female mind and everything they say is true and it worked for me!
IT does work, ive studied various PUAs and their philosophies on the female mind and everything they say is true and it worked for me!
Hmm I really wish this dude was here to respond to the criticism. "If" I take his article at face value, this is how it seems to me:
So he didn't start off approaching women and social situations as a bitter misogynist. It sounds like he started off with the same preconceptions as most people.
Ok, if true, this would counter the criticism that he only goes after one type of woman. Actually one bias I can think of that he's introduced is that they're all professional, i.e. at least somewhat ambitious. IMHO ambitious people are more of the "want to have it all" mentality and are more prone to cheat if given the right opportunity.
Again, if true, this is insanely hard to do. So this would build up an awful lot of credibility for this guy in my mind.
This kind of thing is probably what eroded his faith in women/humanity and the prospect of a real relationship. All he had to do was push the right buttons to get crazy impromptu sex with "taken" women.
This is just more support for the claim that he's been successful with many types of women. They many types part is important, or else it's just as everyone has said: same girl 200 times.
This is the part I find most interesting I'm always honing or changing or fine-tuning beliefs, but if you put a gun to my head right now (I'm 28) I believe this pretty firmly. Not even considering this article or even the topic of sex, I'm interested in whether other people believe it too. I think it's the main difference between genders. That is, men will resist/fight their emotions to reason something out (even if it's the wrong thing to do), and women will attune to/understand/follow their emotions against reason (even if it's the wrong thing to do).
I believe it's true that it's a small slice of the "guy pie" getting all that extra girl pie. It's most likely the engaging guys putting in all the effort to affect girls' moods and emotions that are having all the success. I've gotten this impression also from many women; it seems like if the right "mood" or "emotional state" is created within a woman, she's powerless to resist. It's as if the guy has "done his job" or "done things right" and therefore he must be rewarded. Very eerie. If you create a bad mood or emotion (or worse, emotionally neutral, rational discourse) you're pretty much fucked, but not literally.
This I don't even need a gun to my head to believe. You can engrave this on stone tablets somewhere.
Did anyone else think "war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is bliss" here? Nothing like a little doublethink to make you a more effective politician/negotiator.
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The author said that he didn't start out viewing women this way, but that he has come to view them this way after meeting and knowing and fucking dozens of them. Now that he's had his exploits, he seems distressed that he can't ever have or enjoy a meaningful relationship because he could never trust *any* type of woman based on his experiences. So the posters claiming he won't ever find the "good" type of woman appear to be correct.
I'm interested in how his sexual partners felt after their encounters. I'm also interested in why, manipulated or not, all it takes is a little emotional button-pushing to get wild sex in short order from a large % of women in relationships. (again, IF what he says is true) We could change that to "a large % of people" but since I'm a straight guy I'm obviously more into the 'woman' side of the equation.
Let's assume it's 50/50. So half of women in commited relationships will easily cheat and half will not. How does on tell the difference? Rather than think about that, I'm going to save myself a mind fuck and go sleep.
So he didn't start off approaching women and social situations as a bitter misogynist. It sounds like he started off with the same preconceptions as most people.
Ok, if true, this would counter the criticism that he only goes after one type of woman. Actually one bias I can think of that he's introduced is that they're all professional, i.e. at least somewhat ambitious. IMHO ambitious people are more of the "want to have it all" mentality and are more prone to cheat if given the right opportunity.
Again, if true, this is insanely hard to do. So this would build up an awful lot of credibility for this guy in my mind.
This kind of thing is probably what eroded his faith in women/humanity and the prospect of a real relationship. All he had to do was push the right buttons to get crazy impromptu sex with "taken" women.
This is just more support for the claim that he's been successful with many types of women. They many types part is important, or else it's just as everyone has said: same girl 200 times.
This is the part I find most interesting I'm always honing or changing or fine-tuning beliefs, but if you put a gun to my head right now (I'm 28) I believe this pretty firmly. Not even considering this article or even the topic of sex, I'm interested in whether other people believe it too. I think it's the main difference between genders. That is, men will resist/fight their emotions to reason something out (even if it's the wrong thing to do), and women will attune to/understand/follow their emotions against reason (even if it's the wrong thing to do).
I believe it's true that it's a small slice of the "guy pie" getting all that extra girl pie. It's most likely the engaging guys putting in all the effort to affect girls' moods and emotions that are having all the success. I've gotten this impression also from many women; it seems like if the right "mood" or "emotional state" is created within a woman, she's powerless to resist. It's as if the guy has "done his job" or "done things right" and therefore he must be rewarded. Very eerie. If you create a bad mood or emotion (or worse, emotionally neutral, rational discourse) you're pretty much fucked, but not literally.
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This I don't even need a gun to my head to believe. You can engrave this on stone tablets somewhere.
Did anyone else think "war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is bliss" here? Nothing like a little doublethink to make you a more effective politician/negotiator.
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The author said that he didn't start out viewing women this way, but that he has come to view them this way after meeting and knowing and fucking dozens of them. Now that he's had his exploits, he seems distressed that he can't ever have or enjoy a meaningful relationship because he could never trust *any* type of woman based on his experiences. So the posters claiming he won't ever find the "good" type of woman appear to be correct.
I'm interested in how his sexual partners felt after their encounters. I'm also interested in why, manipulated or not, all it takes is a little emotional button-pushing to get wild sex in short order from a large % of women in relationships. (again, IF what he says is true) We could change that to "a large % of people" but since I'm a straight guy I'm obviously more into the 'woman' side of the equation.
Let's assume it's 50/50. So half of women in commited relationships will easily cheat and half will not. How does on tell the difference? Rather than think about that, I'm going to save myself a mind fuck and go sleep.
Oops I got the 1984 quote wrong, it's ignorance is truth, I think.
Also I think the lovemuffin got a lot of stuff right, especially the thing about absolving oneself from responsibility for failed relationships.
But to be very clear, at no time during a relationship is cheating EVER justified by the other person. If you cheat and then blame the boring relationship on your lazy partner, you're still wrong. You should have ended the relationship first. With that one caveat, I completely agree with the thought.
Also I think the lovemuffin got a lot of stuff right, especially the thing about absolving oneself from responsibility for failed relationships.
But to be very clear, at no time during a relationship is cheating EVER justified by the other person. If you cheat and then blame the boring relationship on your lazy partner, you're still wrong. You should have ended the relationship first. With that one caveat, I completely agree with the thought.
Beatlebot
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The Word said:
Because, and this may shock you... Women.... wait for it... Women... WANT TO HAVE SEX!
Yes that's right. You heard it here first, folks. Right here in SLR. Women actually want to have sex. Know what else? Women want to have good sex. If it can be possibly helped, they want to avoid bad sex, but will sometimes resign themselves to it for other reasons.
So, you want to have sex with women? Convince them that if the two of you were to have sex, it would be mind-blowing wonderful sex. Who among us here would honestly turn their noses up and the prospect of mind-blowing wonderful sex?
So how does the emotional button pushing accomplish this? The largest erogenous zone is in fact, the brain. Engage a person's emotions, interest and imagination and they will be looking forward to enagaging in alot more with you.
This guy has not stumbled upon any secret truths. He has actually figured out something incredibly simple. It's a shame he thinks his new-found knowledge has endowed him with some kind of superiority to the rest of the human race. Oh hee hee. I'm so clever because I think I've tricked women into having sex with me. That makes me better than all those slutty women I 'tricked' and better than their boyfriends who they cheated on to be with me!
He starts his article leading us to believe that he can get women to sleep with him at a drop of a hat, but clearly contradicts himself later in the article when he describes the time and effort he takes getting women to sleep with him. All that lying, manipulating and subtefuge. Then he laments that he feels so empty and lonely. Whose fault could that be? Must be all those slutty, cheating women 8)
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subopm420
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^lol
so do people still believe then, in the year 2007, that woman dont like sex? i thought that was pretty much a given...
i guess my only thing would be to say what if im not giving my girl any reason to stray? fucking i work hard in a relationship to ensure her and my happiness. that kind of thing takes work. so yea, if your just kind of taking her for granted, shes gonna stray at the drop of a hat. you dont work on being good in bed? shes gonna find someone who is. and guys, everyone can be decent in bed. you just need to practice and be willing to change. willing to talk and listen to your partner, and take what they say for truth cause guess what? they know more than you.
i am sick as hell of people saying every girl will cheat. granted, i dont know for sure, as im a boy, but i would venture to guess that when fully satisfied both sexually and emotionally theres no need to stray. thats the trick though, relationships are multifaceted and you need to treat them as such. you cant expect because you make $$ or drive a nice car that in the end it means your safe. shit, i was a lifeguard at the country club; the soccer moms adored me. why? not cause i was in great shape (i wasnt) or a perfect 10 (im not). i drove a shit car, was working a shit job, but yet i coulda bagged prolly 30 of them that summer. it is because i pretty much just paid a little attention to them, complimented them on a new haircut or some stupid shit. their husbands worked 80 hour weeks to pay for the 10mil home and range rover. its not fair, sure, but thats how it is. shit, thats why my parents split up.
all im saying is you can prevent your girl (or guy) from cheating by giving them everything they need at home. good luck, and dont get discouraged cause some fuck off says he can fuck your chick.
so do people still believe then, in the year 2007, that woman dont like sex? i thought that was pretty much a given...
i guess my only thing would be to say what if im not giving my girl any reason to stray? fucking i work hard in a relationship to ensure her and my happiness. that kind of thing takes work. so yea, if your just kind of taking her for granted, shes gonna stray at the drop of a hat. you dont work on being good in bed? shes gonna find someone who is. and guys, everyone can be decent in bed. you just need to practice and be willing to change. willing to talk and listen to your partner, and take what they say for truth cause guess what? they know more than you.
i am sick as hell of people saying every girl will cheat. granted, i dont know for sure, as im a boy, but i would venture to guess that when fully satisfied both sexually and emotionally theres no need to stray. thats the trick though, relationships are multifaceted and you need to treat them as such. you cant expect because you make $$ or drive a nice car that in the end it means your safe. shit, i was a lifeguard at the country club; the soccer moms adored me. why? not cause i was in great shape (i wasnt) or a perfect 10 (im not). i drove a shit car, was working a shit job, but yet i coulda bagged prolly 30 of them that summer. it is because i pretty much just paid a little attention to them, complimented them on a new haircut or some stupid shit. their husbands worked 80 hour weeks to pay for the 10mil home and range rover. its not fair, sure, but thats how it is. shit, thats why my parents split up.
all im saying is you can prevent your girl (or guy) from cheating by giving them everything they need at home. good luck, and dont get discouraged cause some fuck off says he can fuck your chick.
MikeyLikesE
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This thread makes me incredibly sad.
First of all the article....while i was disgusted by most of the things the author wrote....i couldnt help but smell the ring of truth to a lot of it. Now im not sure if that is out of a deep seeded paranoic root, or if it just is fucking true.
Secondly, i think he overvalues his game. If you spend enough time out drinking, talking to chicks, getting them drunk...you'll bag plenty of them. Every guy knows that. Why? because as we have miraculously discovered....women want to fuck too. Now, he never really elaborates as to how many of the chicks he's banged had husbands or boyfriends at the time....so its really hard to conclude anything about how much people cheat. all we know from this article is that women like to have sex, and if you have a decent game, get them drunk enough....panties come off. superfantastic.
but it does get me wondering....how do you look into the face of the person that loves you, and that you love....after you have spent time washing the jizz of another man off your panties? after you have spent hours suckling a random cock....
It saddens me so that people cheat like that. The grass is always greener i suppose. It just irks the fuck out of me, because im having a very very very hard time trusting women right now....and this article didnt help one bit.
and to be quite honest, not many of the posts helped alay that fear either. While many women claimed to be "disgusted" or "angered" or "saddened" by this guy and what he wrote.....i didnt hear a lot of disagreement. sure, some argued about the numbers...but even at 40%, thats an alarming rate, to me. and others argued that "men do it too"...or that he's looking at a small slice of life....all true....but all this is doing is fucking with my head. are women droppin their panties behind my back...i would never know.
idk, maybe im getting old....but random physical sex bores me. im talking about the random sex you have with near strangers....they dont know me, they dont know where i like to be touched....they dont know how to push my sexual buttons....and i dont derive any particular satesfaction from satesfying them.
to me, the best sex is with someone i care about. someone i know well. someone that knows me. someone that i am happy and proud to be with and satesfy. that requires a relationship......not some drunken conquest. and super, he's fucked 200 women. fantastic. he's my hero.
i just was looking for some hope, some faith that many women, no, MOST women arent like that. they arent transparent liars who call their boyfriends while fucking another man. who arent soccer moms dropping their kids off at the beach and fucking the cabana boy. fidelity. loyalty. trust. honor. integrity. consideration. empathy. something other than one big fuckfest where real relationships are shit upon like the piss wall at a football game in favor of random drunken anonymous fucks. but to be honest, i havent found that hope in the pages of this thread.
First of all the article....while i was disgusted by most of the things the author wrote....i couldnt help but smell the ring of truth to a lot of it. Now im not sure if that is out of a deep seeded paranoic root, or if it just is fucking true.
Secondly, i think he overvalues his game. If you spend enough time out drinking, talking to chicks, getting them drunk...you'll bag plenty of them. Every guy knows that. Why? because as we have miraculously discovered....women want to fuck too. Now, he never really elaborates as to how many of the chicks he's banged had husbands or boyfriends at the time....so its really hard to conclude anything about how much people cheat. all we know from this article is that women like to have sex, and if you have a decent game, get them drunk enough....panties come off. superfantastic.
but it does get me wondering....how do you look into the face of the person that loves you, and that you love....after you have spent time washing the jizz of another man off your panties? after you have spent hours suckling a random cock....
It saddens me so that people cheat like that. The grass is always greener i suppose. It just irks the fuck out of me, because im having a very very very hard time trusting women right now....and this article didnt help one bit.
and to be quite honest, not many of the posts helped alay that fear either. While many women claimed to be "disgusted" or "angered" or "saddened" by this guy and what he wrote.....i didnt hear a lot of disagreement. sure, some argued about the numbers...but even at 40%, thats an alarming rate, to me. and others argued that "men do it too"...or that he's looking at a small slice of life....all true....but all this is doing is fucking with my head. are women droppin their panties behind my back...i would never know.
idk, maybe im getting old....but random physical sex bores me. im talking about the random sex you have with near strangers....they dont know me, they dont know where i like to be touched....they dont know how to push my sexual buttons....and i dont derive any particular satesfaction from satesfying them.
to me, the best sex is with someone i care about. someone i know well. someone that knows me. someone that i am happy and proud to be with and satesfy. that requires a relationship......not some drunken conquest. and super, he's fucked 200 women. fantastic. he's my hero.
i just was looking for some hope, some faith that many women, no, MOST women arent like that. they arent transparent liars who call their boyfriends while fucking another man. who arent soccer moms dropping their kids off at the beach and fucking the cabana boy. fidelity. loyalty. trust. honor. integrity. consideration. empathy. something other than one big fuckfest where real relationships are shit upon like the piss wall at a football game in favor of random drunken anonymous fucks. but to be honest, i havent found that hope in the pages of this thread.
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`pr0digy
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* BELIEVE YOUR OWN BULLSHIT. Chicks do not look at your excuses and try to see if they are bullshit or not... because that is the logical thing to do, and chicks are not logical. Rather, what they do is see if YOU seem to believe your own bullshit when you say it. If you look like you do, then chances are, they will believe it too. So the key is to believe your own bullshit, and other aspects about yourself that you want the chick to believe about you too (alpha male..whatever)... because your own self beliefs for some reason will automatically 'impart' to the chick!
^ SO TRUE. "Honey I didn't know what I was doing, I was on like, a perc, fuck baby I'm so sorry I don't even remember fucking your friend!"
"I understand."
roflcopter.
^ SO TRUE. "Honey I didn't know what I was doing, I was on like, a perc, fuck baby I'm so sorry I don't even remember fucking your friend!"
"I understand."
roflcopter.
QuestionEverything
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I love how men look to other men for help in understanding women when they'll be the first to tell you they are clueless as to how the female mind works. If you ask a woman what she wants generally she'll tell you. It's the game playing that fucks everyone up IMO. The more I think about this guy the more I think what an idiot he is because just what is it that makes him think these women aren't playing him the same way? He said some were already in relationships ... sounds like they're playing the same game he is.
All women don't cheat just like all men don't cheat. period.
All women don't cheat just like all men don't cheat. period.
MachineGunBallad
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if you're going out to bars/clubs, these socially sanctioned mating grounds, the vast majority of girls there are like this. and the vast majority of guys are either a) like this guy or b) trying to be this guy. it's all shallow, superficial, disgusting, and lame, but if you want to have sex with "5 women who are 8+ in attractiveness," it's a game you have to play. What kind of intellectual/moral/character compensation you have to make to get to this point is something you might only see once you realize you can't relate to anyone of the opposite sex on any kind of meaningful level and you feel vastly incomplete and isolated and so very, very lonely.
wArEhOuSePuNk
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This only applies to attractive women..........
juice_soldier
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i agree with 90% of that article
wArEhOuSePuNk
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^^ Agreed
Doppelganger
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wArEhOuSePuNk said:
wtf?
Is this what you tell yourself because you can't clamp a hottie?
The things we tell ourselves to help us get by [and really, that's what this whole thread is about...] Just words to help a few losers get by!
Ghettochrist
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I see alot of truths in there, and some things that are just a bit off, but tbh i have witnessed the cheating nature of women, where most male friends or people i know would have turned down a sexual offer because they are loyal, the female will just go with it and convince herself it never happened and not even accept the guilt. Not saying this is true for all women or men, but it's definately a trend i've noticed to quite a degree.
9mmCensor said:
I aint never cheated in my life. I see that youre bein sarcastic and shit, but seriously its pretty fuckin insulting to someone who dont cheat and never will to hear that when it just aint true. that dude was just referring to most women, and it is true about most women. Most women are whores. Not all of them. most of them. most women do cheat. most men do cheat. in general, people fuckin suck and are pieces of shit with no understanding of love trust or loyalty. but, that dont change the fact that there is some of us who aint like that at all.
And thats why i hate women, because they give women like me who aint like that, a bad name.
wArEhOuSePuNk
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Uh.....no actually I was just stating that very attractive, shallow women who have dick thrown at them daily act like this. Every really attractive girl ive been with had an attitude problem. Men are only attracted to a small percentage of women & vice versa , who in my opinion this article fits like a glove. Look in the south for women who are still loyal.When I do settle down it will be with a southern girlDoppelganger said: