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Is opiod addiction the worst addiction?

Kizaru said:
Are there any working things for craving nicotine beside vape ? Smoking out of all shit rlly seems to be the final boss battle .
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I'm not a smoker so no idea. I've just noticed that people who used to be heavy drinkers or heavy heroin users who had quit those things still couldn't leave the cancer sticks alone.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
I'm not a smoker so no idea. I've just noticed that people who used to be heavy drinkers or heavy heroin users who had quit those things still couldn't leave the cancer sticks alone.
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Yep its that bad . Even my mother's neighbore who has lung cancer and dementia still lights the cig up its insane .
 
Kizaru said:
I see thats some scary shit , i wouldn't go near it.
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Neither wouod I but when ppl are denied painkillers for serious diseases and injuries and they are going to commit suicide from chronic pain they usually go for fentanyl first becsuse it has a higher survival rate than suicide.
 
Kizaru said:
I totally agree , i don't understand why they keep trying when it obviously fails . The so called war on drugs . Might as well learn people to use safely and give proper care unlike stigmatising opioide users . I think opioide addicts are far more stable then meth junkies or alcoholics .
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My mom had a pain pill script that she got when I was 19 for sciatic pain. But she didn't use it & just filled it for me every month from the age of 19 til I was 32. She passed away in 2021 though. So that script is gone. I also ended up meeting a heroin dealer around 2014-2015 and did heroin as well for a number of years (before it all became fentanyl). My mom use to tell me she preferred seeing me on heroin/pain pills versus alcohol or meth. Cause at least on opioids I acted normal, looked normal & was much more calm & productive. Alcohol on the other hand always had me extremely emotional, more depressed, violent even. I only ever drank when I didn't have any pain pills or heroin though.

So I completely agree that opioid addicts are much more stable (provided they have their drug). One of my favorite things to do when I would get my script (or my moms script I should say) or some heroin, was throw my head phones on & I would go walking around town for hours & hours. I could feel the soreness in my body from it but I didn't care because I felt great. So technically I was getting a workout in when I used. lol I could also sit around & do nothing & feel absolutely fine with it. Was easier to go to work & put in some extra time. And I actually enjoyed doing all of it, rather than bitching internally the whole time that I had to do it. lol

Ever since my mom passed & I lost my heroin connect, my ability to function, exercise or do anything has decreased drastically. And that's with having constant access to buprenorphine as well. I'd feel better & function better if I could just use heroin or a different opioid. Though if I didn't at least have buprenorphine, I wouldn't be able to function at all & I'd constantly be drinking or popping any pills or drug I can find just to tolerate existing.

Only time opioids gave me issues was when I didn't have any, honestly. Constipation from them can be annoying too (even dangerous if left unchecked) but that's a side effect I've been willing to tolerate & can easily be treated. Compared to the mountain of crazy side effects drugs like SSRI's cause me. And for little to no benefit.
 
Kizaru said:
Smoking out of all shit rlly seems to be the final boss battle .
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Yeah would appear to be ; and I find it genuinely baffling because tobacco never held any appeal for me. I dont enjoy the taste and I don't like inhaling smoke into my lungs, when I tried it all I got was coughing fits and nausea. I seriously can't see where it's 'relaxing' never mind addictive.

PS and going purely by anecdote I seem to be a total outlier. I drink heavily and I used to be a stereotype junkie ; and I've never met a junkie nor any serious drinker who doesn't also chain-smoke.
 
It really depends on the person and the purity/cost/availability of their drug of choice.
I sincerely think if I had an unlimited stash of morphine or oxy sitting under my bed, there'd be few problems. It's the money and the sneaking about and illegality involved with illegal drugs that make being addicted so awful.
That's not to say legalising everything would work, booze and tobacco being extremely harmful, but it could help cut overdoses and limb amputations from taking drugs cut with fentanyl and VIM.
 
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DeathIndustrial88 said:
My mom had a pain pill script that she got when I was 19 for sciatic pain. But she didn't use it & just filled it for me every month from the age of 19 til I was 32. She passed away in 2021 though. So that script is gone. I also ended up meeting a heroin dealer around 2014-2015 and did heroin as well for a number of years (before it all became fentanyl). My mom use to tell me she preferred seeing me on heroin/pain pills versus alcohol or meth. Cause at least on opioids I acted normal, looked normal & was much more calm & productive. Alcohol on the other hand always had me extremely emotional, more depressed, violent even. I only ever drank when I didn't have any pain pills or heroin though.

So I completely agree that opioid addicts are much more stable (provided they have their drug). One of my favorite things to do when I would get my script (or my moms script I should say) or some heroin, was throw my head phones on & I would go walking around town for hours & hours. I could feel the soreness in my body from it but I didn't care because I felt great. So technically I was getting a workout in when I used. lol I could also sit around & do nothing & feel absolutely fine with it. Was easier to go to work & put in some extra time. And I actually enjoyed doing all of it, rather than bitching internally the whole time that I had to do it. lol

Ever since my mom passed & I lost my heroin connect, my ability to function, exercise or do anything has decreased drastically. And that's with having constant access to buprenorphine as well. I'd feel better & function better if I could just use heroin or a different opioid. Though if I didn't at least have buprenorphine, I wouldn't be able to function at all & I'd constantly be drinking or popping any pills or drug I can find just to tolerate existing.

Only time opioids gave me issues was when I didn't have any, honestly. Constipation from them can be annoying too (even dangerous if left unchecked) but that's a side effect I've been willing to tolerate & can easily be treated. Compared to the mountain of crazy side effects drugs like SSRI's cause me. And for little to no benefit.
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My condolance to your mother , i hope you can give it a place. I know how bad losing a parent is my father passed away unfortunately, but when i was 12 (i am 32) . I am actually seeing opioides the only way out to live somewhat better life . I only experimented with kratom and right now suboxone (snorting) i knew opioide had anti depressants effect we have well known for long in science . Before the lobotomy time period people where actually treated humainly with effective opioides . You might ask but why continue with horrible inhumane treatment back in history ? Well humans .. i suffer from chronic depression and personality disorders since age 12 and it has never gone away . I have not felt relieve in a long time . I am not a part of society because of my disorders and live completely isolated . Man i am so tired of life , i used alot of shit in my life to coop with depression like weed/ghb/stims/kratom and subxone . Thats why i am never able to break the cycle of addiction because there is nothing to gain from it at least for me . People think if you beat addiction your life is always better and in many cases this will be, but not for me because i will get suicidal and depression takes over . Its either depression so severe i only sleep , or less depression and having some relief there is no other way or in between . Anti depressants never helped me , they screwed me over big time (8 years pssd) i feel and understand your frustrations , hope you take care !
 
Kizaru said:
So why is there a opioide crisis in the USA?

Overdose/Drug-Related Deaths Are Highest in the United States, Followed Closely by Scotland
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The only opiate crisis in the USA is that we are not allowed to have any,
Not even for chronic pain - degenerative disease .

People get desperate when they are suffering.

Our government and health care system and other fields such as farming, etc...have been taken over by a Ruthless Enemy. IMO.
It seems they want us all dead.

I think alcohol is hands down the worst addiction.
Have you ever seen anyone in alcohol withdrawal? You wouldn’t forget it.
Alcohol is also the most destructive substance to the human body and mind that I have ever seen.
Liver failure is no joke.
 
I think gay porn is the worst addiction.

LOL.
:rofl:

Follow that up with people addicted to inhaling paint fumes or freon.
 
simstim said:
I think gay porn is the worst addiction.

LOL.
:rofl:

Follow that up with people addicted to inhaling paint fumes or freon.
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Its so weird cause isn't that a thing that people who do meth or mdma watch porn and jerk off for hours on end lol no joke, I have read of people renting hotels and doing this

I am being completely serious, like getting flashlights etc and going to town. IDK I guess I would just find a girl but everyone is different, no judgement here
 
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Painful One said:
The only opiate crisis in the USA is that we are not allowed to have any,
Not even for chronic pain - degenerative disease .

People get desperate when they are suffering.

Our government and health care system and other fields such as farming, etc...have been taken over by a Ruthless Enemy. IMO.
It seems they want us all dead.

I think alcohol is hands down the worst addiction.
Have you ever seen anyone in alcohol withdrawal? You wouldn’t forget it.
Alcohol is also the most destructive substance to the human body and mind that I have ever seen.
Liver failure is no joke.
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Yeah alcohol is definitely worst for your health for sure . Its horrible the government treats people that way .
Delmonte421 said:
Its so weird cause isn't that a thing that people who do meth or mdma watch porn and jerk off for hours on end lol no joke, I have read of people renting hotels and doing this

I am being completely serious, like getting flashlights etc and going to town. IDK I guess I would just find a girl but everyone is different, no judgement here
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You cannot just find a girl , stim jerking is addictive asf . No one watches porn on mdma thats not a sex drug . To much serontonin . Its meth or amps with ghb and i can tell you its way better then your average sex 👍
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
Yeah would appear to be ; and I find it genuinely baffling because tobacco never held any appeal for me. I dont enjoy the taste and I don't like inhaling smoke into my lungs, when I tried it all I got was coughing fits and nausea. I seriously can't see where it's 'relaxing' never mind addictive.

PS and going purely by anecdote I seem to be a total outlier. I drink heavily and I used to be a stereotype junkie ; and I've never met a junkie nor any serious drinker who doesn't also chain-smoke.
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That's how smoking felt when I first started at the age of 12.
It's sort of like alcohol or opioids...the more cigarettes you smoke, the more the nausea & spinning disappears & it starts to show it's true effects.
Although the effects of cigarettes are subtle once you're use to them. I have noticed that I seem to enjoy a cigarette when I need to focus. And then one when I can finally relax. Really hard to explain what it does for me. But it's definitely a very pointless addiction that offers little benefit. But some how seems to be the hardest to quit.
 
Kizaru said:
My condolance to your mother , i hope you can give it a place. I know how bad losing a parent is my father passed away unfortunately, but when i was 12 (i am 32) . I am actually seeing opioides the only way out to live somewhat better life . I only experimented with kratom and right now suboxone (snorting) i knew opioide had anti depressants effect we have well known for long in science . Before the lobotomy time period people where actually treated humainly with effective opioides . You might ask but why continue with horrible inhumane treatment back in history ? Well humans .. i suffer from chronic depression and personality disorders since age 12 and it has never gone away . I have not felt relieve in a long time . I am not a part of society because of my disorders and live completely isolated . Man i am so tired of life , i used alot of shit in my life to coop with depression like weed/ghb/stims/kratom and subxone . Thats why i am never able to break the cycle of addiction because there is nothing to gain from it at least for me . People think if you beat addiction your life is always better and in many cases this will be, but not for me because i will get suicidal and depression takes over . Its either depression so severe i only sleep , or less depression and having some relief there is no other way or in between . Anti depressants never helped me , they screwed me over big time (8 years pssd) i feel and understand your frustrations , hope you take care !
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Almost 35 here, so you're not too far behind me.
Be careful if you move onto full agonists like heroin, fentanyl, hydrocodone, methadone, etc..
So far your experience with kratom & suboxone are only partial agonists. So they still don't offer even the full benefit that full agonists do.

I'm the same way. Why should I be "clean" just to appease society's moral standards? Know what I mean? If something out there helps my mental & physical health problems, then it shouldn't be a "crime" for me to use it, especially if it harms no one else. Better than me drinking alcohol.

I use to get very suicidal during withdrawals. I use to get so pissed when the pharmacy would play their "we're still waiting on a fax from the doctor before we can fill it" game. I'd pathetically sit there on the floor, crying & next to ending it all while my mom had to play phone tag with the doctor & pharmacy every month to get the damn script filled. I'll always be an "addict" because it's human (and animal) nature to look for things that make us feel better or make our existence tolerable.
I really hope that I get to see the USA do major drug reform before my life is over.

I think it's fucked up that some places are offering euthanasia to depressed people & the terminally ill. When instead they could just legalize drugs & let those people see if any of those drugs make them want to hang onto life a little bit longer. I know it would for me if I could peacefully use heroin everyday.
It angers me so much.

All the best to you too friend! Let's keep fighting back & speaking out! Rhe deaths of my friends by fentantyl & my forced miserable existence will not be in vain.
 
Kizaru said:
Anti depressants never helped me , they screwed me over big time (8 years pssd) i feel and understand your frustrations , hope you take care !
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Yes people forget that reactions to legal drugs are as individual and varied as the people who take them, and instead tend to treat medicines like they're a one-size-fits-all. When we already know there's differences in the effectiveness of certain medications depending on your sex, your age, your ethnic group etc.

A medication that's great for one person might be useless or even contra-indicated for the next patient. That's particularly so for psychopharmaceuticals.

Personally, SSRIs make me actively worse (what's called a paradoxical effect). Amitryptilene does work well for me, but only up to a certain degree of severity of my depressive symptoms. When it gets really bad, only opiates will do the trick. Ironically, amitryptilene has the side-effect of constipation and lowered libido. So yeah, how logical that I should take something with the same undesirable side-effects of an opiate, but minus the beneficial ones which does eff-all for my severe episodes, rather than the thing which... errrr... helps?!
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
Really hard to explain what it does for me. But it's definitely a very pointless addiction that offers little benefit. But some how seems to be the hardest to quit.
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I find it odd because cigarettes aren't even psychoactive. I mean you don't get intoxicated off tobacco. It seems to be a physical thing on the one hand, in that your body gets accustomed to the nicotine when you're a regular smoker, so you run through this constant mini-withdrawal cycle where the smoker gets fidgety and feels like he needs to light up another one. And then I think it has a very strong behavioral aspect because people tend to link it to certain times of day or events - the one after dinner, the one after sex, the lunch-break one, the morning one...
 
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