dhopeless
Bluelighter
First, a little background. I am 22 years old, and have been addicted to opiates since I was 17. I got on Suboxone when I was 18 years old. For the first 8 months or so, I took the sub under my tongue, like I was supposed to. Then I started snorting them. I loved my suboxone. It made me so full of life and energetic. A couple months after I started snorting the Suboxone, I found a new doctor who put me on Subutex. The difference between Subutex and Suboxone is night and day. The analgesia is much better, it feels 'cleaner', you don't get those annoying headaches, no nasty flavor, and the most different effect I notice is the increased energy. When I take suboxone I experience much less euphoria and stimulation. I remember getting so high off Subutex after I got prescribed, it was unbelievable that they would give this stuff to addicts. Prior to then, I had never even heard of tex being around. So for over two years I snorted my Subutex without ever touching a Suboxone, because I was prescribed to tex. Last July I got arrested and incarcerated, and was forced to withdraw, cold turkey, off my Subutex AND Klonopin. I don't need to explain how horrible that was. I was released a month and a half later, with no more prescriptions. In the area I live, opiate addiction is rampid and hard to avoid. Within a week I was doing heroin and OC's again, and buying subs when I could. This is when I realized how fortunate I was to be getting tex all those years. Two months after I was released, I begged my doctor to make room for me to come back in because life was terrible without my meds. In addition to addiction, I suffer chronic back pain which Subutex takes care of nicely. He agreed, and I was back on the subs. A month ago I stupidly ran out of Subutex and had a rough month until I filled my script a couple days ago. During this time, I was mostly taking Suboxone, as that's all I could buy around here. It was terrible stuff. I did not experience even close to the opiate euphoria or energetic effects I get from Subutex while on Suboxone, even if I injected it The couple times I did manage to get my hands on some Subutex, I felt so much better. I realized over this last month that despite all the people on this forum claiming that "Naloxone is inert", and that "There is no difference between the effects of either", Naloxone MUST interact with the buprenorphine on some level. If I inject 1mg of Subutex, I feel it almost immediately, and get a sort of mild, yet very pleasant opiate rush, followed by a very happy and energetic high. If I inject 1, or even 2 or 3 mgs of Suboxone, it takes me several minutes to feel any sort of high, and I do not get the stimulating effects nearly as much as with Subutex. Even if I take it as directed, or snort it, Suboxone is defiantly inferior to Subutex.
Now, my theory is that Naloxone prevents the buprenorphine from sticking to certain receptors entirely, and also prevents the bupe from sticking to all of the receptors as rapidly. I believe the reason it takes me 45 minutes to reach peak affects with Suboxone is because of Naloxone temporarily blocking the drug from the receptors. When I IV a Subutex, I feel the effects instantly and the 'rush' is much, much more pleasant. Even if I snort Subutex it feels much better and kicks in much faster, and also provides much better pain relief. Whatever the reason, I am convinced this is a real phenomenon. Now, can someone either validate my theory, or give me some factual evidence of another reason why Subutex is superior? Every one of my friends feels the same way too, so it's not just me. Naloxone must NOT be completely inert.
Now, my theory is that Naloxone prevents the buprenorphine from sticking to certain receptors entirely, and also prevents the bupe from sticking to all of the receptors as rapidly. I believe the reason it takes me 45 minutes to reach peak affects with Suboxone is because of Naloxone temporarily blocking the drug from the receptors. When I IV a Subutex, I feel the effects instantly and the 'rush' is much, much more pleasant. Even if I snort Subutex it feels much better and kicks in much faster, and also provides much better pain relief. Whatever the reason, I am convinced this is a real phenomenon. Now, can someone either validate my theory, or give me some factual evidence of another reason why Subutex is superior? Every one of my friends feels the same way too, so it's not just me. Naloxone must NOT be completely inert.