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Is it possible MDMA has actually helped with my depression?

Weed also suddenly gave me panic attacks, I never touched MDMA at the time so yeah... Unhappy moods turn into depression in some and not others, this isn't that related to chemistry or something physical but rather the way you handle it. Someone who notices a minor headache after rolling who thinks "See!?? BRAIN DAMAGE!" will be MUCH more prone to bad side-effects tbh. Every body ache, every moment of low concentration becomes due to the abuse of ecstasy, which then trigger thoughts of regret and self-critisism, which in turn create more unhappiness and symptoms. I used to be a little bit like this but now a days I AM actually back to my normal self the next day, maybe even slightly more positive because I had an awesome night.

It shocks me how everyone is discounting their own part in this. Your mood isn't 100% dependent on the amount of serotonin or dopamine in your brain, that's like thinking we are robots.
 
dezz said:
It shocks me how everyone is discounting their own part in this. Your mood isn't 100% dependent on the amount of serotonin or dopamine in your brain, that's like thinking we are robots.
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Well life events , and trauma play a role in your mood as well. But we are under going a constant chemical reaction. So actually your mood is mostly dependent on your neuro transmitters and the rate they are firing. It does sound kind of robotic in a sense but, even love is a chemical reaction. Eating food.... sets off a chemical reaction (dopamine) , as well as why people go to the gym. They feel good because of what their brain is firing off, endorphins not because they just lifted some heavy weights...

So if you think about it you are wrong in a sense.
 
Of course MDMA can help with depression. These government studies are designed to only consider the negative aspects of MDMA use, and they use way too much drug on their animal subjects.
 
rave_itsrealfun!!! said:
I think that you are experiencing an extended afterglow. It can definitely do that, especially at first. However, at the end of the day, you are still you. You are still depressed underneath the chemical imbalances that rolling has initiated. You must have had problems in your life that make you depressed, and taking a pill doesn't really do anything for that. You were just pushed so forcefully in a positive direction by such an awesome incredible mind blowing good time that you end up staying there for a while after. It's really nice, but it is something that mainly new users will get. I fail to see how a neurotoxic, very dangerous and physically damaging drug like Mdma can be a magic cure for depression. I think that you are masking your symptoms temporarily, and that they will eventually worsen, because of the various ways in which Mdma takes away from you. Not only could you completely screw your brains, but you might have a weakened liver and heart as well, because Mdma wrecks havoc on the body and it's very dangerous to even be a light user of it, in terms of how I define danger (I take my health pretty seriously now). Although you are seeing residual positive effects in your mood from having an extremely positive experience, eventually there is nothing but shit that will come out of using this nonsense.

Mdma is how you have the best time of your life for a night in exchange for brain damage and other various physical damages. It has no place in medicine, your brain seems unstable to begin with. And Mdma is a straight up shock - cortisol levels go through the roof. I fail to see how that is in any way healthy.
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Just to clarify (I dont know if I made this clear but I feel like you're infering some things here) I am not saying mdma is a magic cure or should be used in depression treatment or that mdma use is healthy. I do not have enough knowledge to make that call. I am not self medicating on MDMA either and have no intention to.

I am asking about an observation I have made in my own life and whether other people have gone through similar experiences. Apparently some people have.

Is it normal for an afterglow to last for months? I know what an afterglow feels like. I have had them the following 1-2 days after I have taken mdma. This is different, I feel normal again now and I havent had a single depressive episode during this time. I do not know if it is down to mdma or not but I cannot think of any other significant change or event in my life recently. The depression maybe ran its course or maybe I just dont realise what has changed. , I was seeing if anybody else had experienced similar

Can you really say that my symtoms will worsen? I dont know if anybody can make that call. I still feel the same way as when I made this thread I do not see any sign of things getting worse. Can you really say that I am still depressed underneath? I really dont think you can make that call either.
 
EmDeeEmAye said:
Just to clarify (I dont know if I made this clear but I feel like you're infering some things here) I am not saying mdma is a magic cure or should be used in depression treatment or that mdma use is healthy. I do not have enough knowledge to make that call. I am not self medicating on MDMA either and have no intention to.

I am asking about an observation I have made in my own life and whether other people have gone through similar experiences. Apparently some people have.

Is it normal for an afterglow to last for months? I know what an afterglow feels like. I have had them the following 1-2 days after I have taken mdma. This is different, I feel normal again now and I havent had a single depressive episode during this time. I do not know if it is down to mdma or not but I cannot think of any other significant change or event in my life recently. The depression maybe ran its course or maybe I just dont realise what has changed. , I was seeing if anybody else had experienced similar

Can you really say that my symtoms will worsen? I dont know if anybody can make that call. I still feel the same way as when I made this thread I do not see any sign of things getting worse. Can you really say that I am still depressed underneath? I really dont think you can make that call either.
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It is not normal for an after glow to last months. Lucky you, what usually happens is people feel good for a day or two until their serotonin levels really drop off. That is where the term suicide tuesday comes from, because the depression usually doesn't show its self the day after rolling.

Bottom line, people can say what they want in this thread. I think a depressed person using MDMA on a regular basis to get out of depression is playing Russian roulette. You may have it work your way a few times, but somewhere down the line a shot will be fired.
 
F1n1shed said:
Well life events , and trauma play a role in your mood as well. But we are under going a constant chemical reaction. So actually your mood is mostly dependent on your neuro transmitters and the rate they are firing. It does sound kind of robotic in a sense but, even love is a chemical reaction. Eating food.... sets off a chemical reaction (dopamine) , as well as why people go to the gym. They feel good because of what their brain is firing off, endorphins not because they just lifted some heavy weights...

So if you think about it you are wrong in a sense.
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Yes, but on the other hand some people have a bad time when rolling for the first time as well, which is usually related to fighting it, a bad mind state, or what ever. If it's all chemicals that regulate the mood then everyone in similar situations would have the same experience which just isn't true. The way you HANDLE emotions is the deciding factor on how you will feel IMO
 
EmDeeEmAye said:
Just to clarify (I dont know if I made this clear but I feel like you're infering some things here) I am not saying mdma is a magic cure or should be used in depression treatment or that mdma use is healthy. I do not have enough knowledge to make that call. I am not self medicating on MDMA either and have no intention to.

I am asking about an observation I have made in my own life and whether other people have gone through similar experiences. Apparently some people have.

Is it normal for an afterglow to last for months? I know what an afterglow feels like. I have had them the following 1-2 days after I have taken mdma. This is different, I feel normal again now and I havent had a single depressive episode during this time. I do not know if it is down to mdma or not but I cannot think of any other significant change or event in my life recently. The depression maybe ran its course or maybe I just dont realise what has changed. , I was seeing if anybody else had experienced similar

Can you really say that my symtoms will worsen? I dont know if anybody can make that call. I still feel the same way as when I made this thread I do not see any sign of things getting worse. Can you really say that I am still depressed underneath? I really dont think you can make that call either.
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Funny time for this expression but 'Haters gunna hate.' They can't, with absolute certainty, say that you will experience negative effects from MDMA. Just like I can't say that you will definitely be fine. There is no clear evidence linking casual, responsible MDMA use with long-lasting negative effects. Even in high dose rat studies, serotonin is often able to recover after 2-3 weeks. If you feel it is benefitting you then just go with it. I certainly think MDMA can provide an avenue, for those who are severely depressed, to experience tempory happiness. Is it going to cure depression for the majority? Probably not. In the right clinical setting I believe it could be used to help faciliatate therapy for various conditions though. It's been identified, by proffessionals, for helping to treat Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. I could also see it being useful for treating Social Anxiety Disorder, but that's just my own theory.

I've been taking it for 2 years now. Most of it has been responsible, but some of it has not. I'm still awaiting these 'inevitable' side-effects.
 
finished, I have been smoking weed habitually since i was around 14. I am now nineteen and did not touch mdma until i was 18. I have suffered an innumerous amount of panic attacks all throughout my years of smoking weed. I dont know why but its happened all before i came close to mdma. Weird thing for me and most of my friends now is that the days and even weeks after rolling my weed highs are very enjoyable im high as hell now and i rolled about three weeks ago and feel great. I havent had a panic attack from weed in ages. coincidence? I have no idea. And neither do you. Truth is you really dont know why it is you or whoever you know suffer while my friends and i are alleviated in our post-roll highs. I dont think you mean any harm and i mean no harm in sayng this but you really shouldnt come on here expunging PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as universal truths.

U does not = EVERYONE
 
dezz said:
Weed also suddenly gave me panic attacks, I never touched MDMA at the time so yeah... Unhappy moods turn into depression in some and not others, this isn't that related to chemistry or something physical but rather the way you handle it. Someone who notices a minor headache after rolling who thinks "See!?? BRAIN DAMAGE!" will be MUCH more prone to bad side-effects tbh. Every body ache, every moment of low concentration becomes due to the abuse of ecstasy, which then trigger thoughts of regret and self-critisism, which in turn create more unhappiness and symptoms. I used to be a little bit like this but now a days I AM actually back to my normal self the next day, maybe even slightly more positive because I had an awesome night.

It shocks me how everyone is discounting their own part in this. Your mood isn't 100% dependent on the amount of serotonin or dopamine in your brain, that's like thinking we are robots.
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This is on point. For whatever reason, some people just hold their shit together than others.
 
JWills20 said:
Funny time for this expression but 'Haters gunna hate.' They can't, with absolute certainty, say that you will experience negative effects from MDMA. Just like I can't say that you will definitely be fine. There is no clear evidence linking casual, responsible MDMA use with long-lasting negative effects. Even in high dose rat studies, serotonin is often able to recover after 2-3 weeks. If you feel it is benefitting you then just go with it. I certainly think MDMA can provide an avenue, for those who are severely depressed, to experience tempory happiness. Is it going to cure depression for the majority? Probably not. In the right clinical setting I believe it could be used to help faciliatate therapy for various conditions though. It's been identified, by proffessionals, for helping to treat Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. I could also see it being useful for treating Social Anxiety Disorder, but that's just my own theory.

I've been taking it for 2 years now. Most of it has been responsible, but some of it has not. I'm still awaiting these 'inevitable' side-effects.
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Studies please?

There is more than enough evidence that leans towards long term serotonin related problems . Not permanent damage , but long term damage/changes. Some actually say permanent damage, i have already linked some studies backing up my statements, i'd like to see yours.
 
illuXx said:
finished, I have been smoking weed habitually since i was around 14. I am now nineteen and did not touch mdma until i was 18. I have suffered an innumerous amount of panic attacks all throughout my years of smoking weed. I dont know why but its happened all before i came close to mdma. Weird thing for me and most of my friends now is that the days and even weeks after rolling my weed highs are very enjoyable im high as hell now and i rolled about three weeks ago and feel great. I havent had a panic attack from weed in ages. coincidence? I have no idea. And neither do you. Truth is you really dont know why it is you or whoever you know suffer while my friends and i are alleviated in our post-roll highs. I dont think you mean any harm and i mean no harm in sayng this but you really shouldnt come on here expunging PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as universal truths.

U does not = EVERYONE
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I am not saying it happens to everyone, what i am saying is i have seen MANY cases where it HAS happened. Meaning something there is correlated. MDMA usage has a chance to ruin your weed highs and make them anxiety ridden. NOT for everyone, but for many people. I took my personal experience, researched it and found many others with the same issue. I then formed my analysis which i posted earlier where i said MDMA leaves your brain under high stress mode during recovery etc etc.
 
The brain is changed, f1n1shed, lower serotonin levels and all sure. That's understandable. Your brain isn't under high stress mode. YOU are, not your brain. That is why people report different experiences. You know before I read about all these risks and dangers of MDMA I was abusing it badly week in week out, one time even 3 days straight and I felt fine to roll the next day. Sure I felt like shit, but I took it as a hangover instead of possible permanent damage. And being someone who is easily anxious I could toke away without negative effects. I think the worst of MDMA side effects are part of a chain reaction and a strong link is how you deal with symptoms.
 
But than really what are you saying? It’s pretty well known that molly is not for everyone. Most people on here I can assume know that much. No one thinks it is some panacea for life. I mean I have no evidence saying that molly has improved my highs, besides personal experience (me, my friends, etc.) So would it be right for me to come on here and say “yo look guys molly can make your highs better”. I DON’T KNOW THAT? I could lead people into some serious trouble just as you could lead people away from a wonderful experience. Scientist when studying this stuff don’t just make a couple observations than come to an “analysis” as you did. The scientific method is actually used you know and there’s a whole lot of steps in there that you have seemed to skip over
 
also finished, did you have a response to the person above who challenged the article that had to do with the depletion of the sert. I am curious because he seems to have a good point that in theory depletion in sert could indeed make us "happier". apologies if i've missed your response but you do seem very rooted in those articles.
 
Life advice: F1n1shed, you need to change your debating style. You may have some worthwhile points but you have no likeable qualities whatsoever, people will disregard anything you say because you're such an odious worm. Reply as if the person was sitting next to you.
 
RoyMunson said:
Life advice: F1n1shed, you need to change your debating style. You may have some worthwhile points but you have no likeable qualities whatsoever, people will disregard anything you say because you're such an odious worm. Reply as if the person was sitting next to you.
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Lol thanks for the laugh 'odious worm' , haven't heard that one before.
Also i come off as that only on the E discussion. I am not like this on any other section of blue light. I just see too many biased users here, when i try to present them with information that goes against MDMA they automatically call it government lies. It's almost like they think i am performing witch craft, when there is clear evidence all over the internet proving the damage it causes.

I think i'll let this thread be, there is no winning with biased users. It's almost like talking to those stoners where they say weed is the holy herb, it only blesses people. There is nothing wrong with weed, you can smoke it every day all day with zero consequences. When i try to tell them that is completely wrong they will lash out. Anyways, i'm out -
 
After reading this thread and others I have come to my own conclusion which would be that MDMA did help with my depression. Rather than the mdma molecule acting as an anti depressant (I dont know enough about mdma to make that conclusion anyway) the mdma experience helped with my depression. I dont know if I have explained that very well or if you guys get what I mean. I have read about drug experiences helping with depression, drugs like psilocybin. So in my opinion the experiences and altered state of mind helped me out alot with coming out of depression

As stated many times previously I am not recommending people take mdma to battle their depression and I have no plans to use mdma as depression medicine if I fall back into depression. Maybe it could work for others I dont know but I am not advising anybody attempt to self medicate. I have no evidence except for my own personal experience. I will use mdma again in the future recreationally and all at my own risk.
 
EmDeeEmAye said:
After reading this thread and others I have come to my own conclusion which would be that MDMA did help with my depression. Rather than the mdma molecule acting as an anti depressant (I dont know enough about mdma to make that conclusion anyway) the mdma experience helped with my depression. I dont know if I have explained that very well or if you guys get what I mean. I have read about drug experiences helping with depression, drugs like psilocybin. So in my opinion the experiences and altered state of mind helped me out alot with coming out of depression

As stated many times previously I am not recommending people take mdma to battle their depression and I have no plans to use mdma as depression medicine if I fall back into depression. Maybe it could work for others I dont know but I am not advising anybody attempt to self medicate. I have no evidence except for my own personal experience. I will use mdma again in the future recreationally and all at my own risk.
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For those that are clinically depressed, and have been for a long time, MDMA may offer an insight into experiencing true happiness even if it is temporary. I'd imagine that this could go two ways, either: rejuvenating their purpose in life and stimulating a desire to re-experience that happiness, or, causing a harder crash back into depression, perhaps, reinforcing the depression. At least for me, during the MDMA experience and the day after I have a feeling of emotional well-being. My life has a meaning and makes sense. I can talk to people without the constant worry of what they think of me. Unfortunately, the feelings subside and I go back to normal. But I do feel that MDMA opened up my emotional capacity increasing empathy and happiness, while also opening my mind as a person. While it hasn't cured my social anxieties, it has built me as a person, so I definitely see how it could be used therapeutically.

I feel that psychedelic drugs are more than just an experience. The emotions and mind-state provided are quite profound and deeper than other drugs. I tend to describe MDMA as 'beautiful' to anyone who asks what it's like. The experiences provided by MDMA will never leave me and always remind me how beautiful life can be.

I'm glad that you got something out of it too. It's nice to see a positive thread for once.
 
JWills positive thread? Finished got gang raped in a dark alley hahahahahaha

JK FINISHED!


The amount of compelling arguments like a game of fencing oh touché fool haha but yeah it's been a worthwhile read. Tbh I saw this thread again I'm like OMFG THIS AGAIN!!
 
MDMA does have therapeutic usages, it could help you admit to yourself problems you suppress sub-consciously.

So yes, it is completely possible.
 
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