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is homosexuality a choice?

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You dont choose what you get turned on about, lets say i have a foot fetish well i didnt choose to have a foot fetish etc... so if you think about it being gay is just like a man on man fetish is what i'd call it
 
you do have however have control over your urges.

Playing devils advocate here, and I know this one is extreme, but a child molester shouldnt follow through with his urges, no?
 
AuraithX said:
You are either born straight or gay, no argument about it really. It's a genetic condition. That's why you get gay animals
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sexuality like any psychological phenomena has more to it than genetics. what happens to the organisms during the 'imprinting' periods (aka when youre growing up, especially when youre very young) shapes the mind just as much as genes
 
^yes someone is making sense......gays just have a hard time accepting that they could have been straight, had it not been for spending summers with uncle Barry (or whatever the trigger is).

Do you have the urges, though? Are you saying you've felt attraction to guys and then denied it?
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Hetero is the default setting, much like being female is the default setting in biology and embryology (males are an adapted female, we can even express milk if our prolactin levels get too high). An extra set if instructions need to be switched on to make a male, just like you need a different/extra set of life experiences to make you gay.
It's like schizophrenia, there is a genetic predisposition (a different hormonal profile during development) which then is triggered by heavy drug use (spending too much time with Uncle Barry) and voila we have schizophrenia (homosexuality).
 
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beamers said:
^yes someone is making sense......gays just have a hard time accepting that they could have been straight, had it not been for spending summers with uncle Barry (or whatever the trigger is).



Hetero is the default setting, much like being female is the default setting in biology and embryology (males are an adapted female, we can even express milk if our prolactin levels get too high). An extra set if instructions need to be switched on to make a male, just like you need a different/extra set of life experiences to make you gay.
It's like schizophrenia, there is a genetic predisposition (a different hormonal profile during development) which then is triggered by heavy drug use (spending too much time with Uncle Barry) and voila we have schizophrenia (homosexuality).
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LOL @ uncle barry
 
for evidence for my post see the goose and a ping pong ball story, or the giraffe and a jeep story

by early memories, btw, i mean so early you are a baby/toddler and have no control over what you do

so, for all practical intents and purposes, a gay person is 'effectively' born gay until we have enough understanding of the brain to change our personalities in specific ways during our imprinting periods
 
The Monkey Mantra said:
Do you have the urges, though? Are you saying you've felt attraction to guys and then denied it?
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No I don't really have urges. I've had a few half gay thoughts and feelings but I didn't block them out. I entertained the idea and just lost interest. If I wanted to fuck a man I would do it with no hesitations.
 
beamers said:
^yes someone is making sense......gays just have a hard time accepting that they could have been straight, had it not been for spending summers with uncle Barry (or whatever the trigger is).



Hetero is the default setting, much like being female is the default setting in biology and embryology (males are an adapted female, we can even express milk if our prolactin levels get too high). An extra set if instructions need to be switched on to make a male, just like you need a different/extra set of life experiences to make you gay.
It's like schizophrenia, there is a genetic predisposition (a different hormonal profile during development) which then is triggered by heavy drug use (spending too much time with Uncle Barry) and voila we have schizophrenia (homosexuality).
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i wouldnt say, in most cases, there is a specific 'trigger' event

i would say psychological formation processes are just that -- PROCESSES

basically a chaotic system from the start, usually without well-defined 'trigger' or 'turning event' points. although triggers and turning-event points do often occur, most of the formation happens as a continuous process

imo
 
^well yes you've essentially agreed with me.....and.

Hey did you hear the breaking news?....they've found a gene that codes for blow jobs and explains why some guys prefer blow jobs to intercourse. It's the "blow job" gene.:!
 
I can't imagine that anyone who thinks homosexuality is a choice knows any gay people very well. Because if you really know someone who is gay, you know that's WHO THEY ARE. Just like you are who you are.

It might be nature, nurture, or a combination, but the gay person is not making any kind of choice.
 
beamers said:
^well yes you've essentially agreed with me.....and.

Hey did you hear the breaking news?....they've found a gene that codes for blow jobs and explains why some guys prefer blow jobs to intercourse. It's the "blow job" gene.:!
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<----- Has it!
 
Johnny1 said:
I can't imagine that anyone who thinks homosexuality is a choice knows any gay people very well. Because if you really know someone who is gay, you know that's WHO THEY ARE. Just like you are who you are.

It might be nature, nurture, or a combination, but the gay person is not making any kind of choice.
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I think you are misinterpreting, just because genetics does not determine an individuals sexuality does not mean that it's a choice. You are not responsible for the life experiences and hormonal conditions of early development that bring about gayness. It's not a choice by any means and it's certainly not genetically determined.
 
I am gay and I didnt choose to be so, in my younger days if I could've chosen to be straight I would have for sure but I simply have no attraction to women the same way a straight or even bi guy would have. I couldnt get it up for a girl even if I wanted to, but if I wanted to get it up for a girl then I probably wouldnt be gay would I?

I believe genetics has something to do with it as well as having sisters and no brothers and living with only women for the last 10 years, but I can remember being attracted to guys when I was as young as 4-5. I think it can be a choice, but for me it definitely isnt.
 
Johnny1 said:
I can't imagine that anyone who thinks homosexuality is a choice knows any gay people very well. Because if you really know someone who is gay, you know that's WHO THEY ARE. Just like you are who you are.

It might be nature, nurture, or a combination, but the gay person is not making any kind of choice.
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I have had a close gay friend compare his homosexuality to condiments on a burger. He said "Some like ketchup and some don't. Some like the same gender and some don't. I do. It's just what I choose."
I know that being gay has to be hard and confusing but that doesn't meant that people can't choose that, or make choices that lead to that lifestyle. Do people choose to be junkies? Of course someone isn't going to say "Hey, I want to be a junkie!" but that doesn't mean that they didn't make the decisions that lead them to that lifestyle; a lifestyle most would not choose.
 
beamers said:
I think you are misinterpreting, just because genetics does not determine an individuals sexuality does not mean that it's a choice. You are not responsible for the life experiences and hormonal conditions of early development that bring about gayness. It's not a choice by any means and it's certainly not genetically determined.
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First of all, my point is that it's NOT a choice. I know what I wrote wasn't that clear, but if you read it again you'll see that we have the same point about that. :)

Second, why do you believe homosexuality is not genetically determined? A study of identical twins who were raised in different environments (i.e., they were split up at birth) demonstrated that the twin brother of a gay man was himself more likely to be gay than the general population. Even if early development and hormonal conditions play a stronger role than genetics (and I don't know if they do), couldn't it be possible that they combine with a genetic predisposition to establish a person's sexuality?
 
Jamshyd said:
^ I find your gay friend's wording very funny.

How does one "choose" to find Ketchup-taste revolting?
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lol true. While his analogy may have not been the best he was trying to illustrate that he felt that he was making the choice to be gay.
 
What is it to be gay anyway? If someone was attracted to males they still could consider themselves heterosexual.

Just like if I was heterosexual, I could choose to fuck guys in the ass and call myself gay, and I would be. You'll tell me that it doesn't work like that, and it doesn't most of the time, but it COULD be the case at least SOME of the time.

The problem with gayness and many other things is the whole mishmosh of people's own lives that makes it hard to categorize neatly. I would say that while generalizing could work, it should be looked at in a case by case basis. People supporting the gay rights movement and all that will of course scoff at this.
 
Damien8787 said:
I have had a close gay friend compare his homosexuality to condiments on a burger. He said "Some like ketchup and some don't. Some like the same gender and some don't. I do. It's just what I choose."
I know that being gay has to be hard and confusing but that doesn't meant that people can't choose that, or make choices that lead to that lifestyle. Do people choose to be junkies? Of course someone isn't going to say "Hey, I want to be a junkie!" but that doesn't mean that they didn't make the decisions that lead them to that lifestyle; a lifestyle most would not choose.
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Personally, I think of a "lifestyle" question as whether one chooses to live in the city instead of the suburbs. Or, whether one chooses to work long hours at an intense job rather than a more reasonable work/life balance.

Or, of course, whether one prefers to decorate with floral patterns instead of going with solids and pastels. That stuff is "lifestyle choice," at least in my mind. Most lifestyle stuff is quite fungible: don't like florals any more? Go with austere, metallic frigidity!

What sorts of people one is able to form deep, emotional partnerships with - to have sex with - to build a family with - to bond with. . . that's hardly a "lifestyle" issue. As others have said, it's a fundamental element of one's identity.

I could choose to reject the air-breathing "lifestyle" and breathe with the fishes in the oceans blue. That wouldn't make me any less of an air-breathing mammal, no matter how much my short-term actions flew in the face of my fundamental identity. Ask anyone who has ever lived in the closet whether pretending to be someone different is anything but a charade.

Peace,

Fausty
 
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