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[fairnymph]

Which ones?

The intense emotions, increased libido/sexuality, feeling more sensitive in terms of all the senses, really. Oh, and I love seeing my normal big changeable pupils again. Can’t stand miosis.

 

[Halif2]

The intense emotions, increased libido/sexuality, feeling more sensitive in terms of all the senses, really.

Damn. You're built different.

I hate the emotions and the sensitivity. I feel mentally and physically vulnerable, like a plucked chicken surrounded by wolves.

The libido bits OK, though LOL. It gives you something to do when you're awake all night

 

[helpingout]

Damn. You're built different.

I hate the emotions and the sensitivity. I feel mentally and physically vulnerable, like a plucked chicken surrounded by wolves.

The libido bits OK, though LOL. It gives you something to do when you're awake all night

Put the fire in me!!!!!

 

[fairnymph]

Damn. You're built different.

I hate the emotions and the sensitivity. I feel mentally and physically vulnerable, like a plucked chicken surrounded by wolves.

The libido bits OK, though LOL. It gives you something to do when you're awake all night

Yeah, I’ve never found any downers at all recreational and in fact, I generally hate them and often find them actively dysphoric. Unfortunately, I’ve had to use them for most of my life for pain. I do think I’ve gained some stoicism from my time on opiates which I can appreciate, but I really miss the intensity & breadth of my sober emotions. Drugs have never been escapist for me.

 

[4DQSAR]

Yeah, I’ve never found any downers at all recreational and in fact, I generally hate them and often find them actively dysphoric. Unfortunately, I’ve had to use them for most of my life for pain. I do think I gained some stoicism from my time on opiates which I can appreciate, but I really miss the intensity & breadth of my sober emotions. Drugs have never been escapist for me.

It's spooky that your 'choice' of medication and attitued towards the need for meication so closely aligns with my eown I HAVE to take clbazam every day or suffesr seizures. But now I panic when the parmacy messes up your prescrition. It seems obvious that doctors are taught that pain isn't neccicarily a sign of a fatal illlnes or injury. So in there minds, THEY could deal with pain without drugs. Because none of them have experienced DECADES of pain. I bet the few who do suffer DO take analgesics.

Pain does indeed bring out the Stoic. Mecication may help, but pain medication is just an attempt to provide symptomatic treatment.

I rackon there are billions of healthy people who are more unhappy than me. Perspective being what it is.

 

[fairnymph]

It's spooky that your 'choice' of medication and attitued towards the need for meication so closely aligns with my eown I HAVE to take clbazam every day or suffesr seizures. But now I panic when the parmacy messes up your prescrition. It seems obvious that doctors are taught that pain isn't neccicarily a sign of a fatal illlnes or injury. So in there minds, THEY could deal with pain without drugs. Because none of them have experienced DECADES of pain. I bet the few who do suffer DO take analgesics.

Pain does indeed bring out the Stoic. Mecication may help, but pain medication is just an attempt to provide symptomatic treatment.

I rackon there are billions of healthy people who are more unhappy than me. Perspective being what it is.

It’s actually very logical because anyone who doesn’t like sedation is naturally going to go for the least sedating, most effective and long lasting opiates, and anyone intelligent will also go for the least toxic. Valium is also arguably the best benzo and certainly the most versatile. I have a lot of spasticity as well as extreme muscle tension, and fortunately I don’t get any real side-effects from it. I even sleep better on it - and less, because the sleep that I get on it is so much better quality. Without diazepam, regardless of whether I’m on opiates or not, I sleep excessively and & am even more fatigued than I am on opiates alone. But I do really miss dreaming!

I have many times thought the doctors must have exactly that attitude. People who haven’t experienced chronic pain have no idea what it’s like. It’s like trying to explain what being on MDMA or LSD is like. I started getting very severe menstrual cramps when I was 16 and I noticed that female health professionals were the least likely to give me pain meds. I’ve never been well treated by female doctors but I strongly suspect that because they don’t have severe menstrual pain or they can tolerate theirs that I shouldn’t need pain relief, whereas men, who can’t imagine what it’s like to menstruate anyway, are actually sympathetic. Male drs are much more empathetic ime.

I’m so glad to hear that you take a positive attitude. I too am sure that I am happier than so many people with pain-free highly functional bodies. I’ve always been an optimist & I’m very glad for that. Sometimes I get stuck on self pity, but ultimately, it is up to everyone to choose to pursue happiness. I do the best I can and I never give up hope. I hope you don’t either. And maybe we’ll get cloned bodies one day, or other miraculous treatments. I’m not holding my breath, but you never know…

 

[4DQSAR]

Diazepam (Valium™) is also the SAFEST benzodiazipine. There was a famous story of a compounding pharmacist who developed clinical depression. One day they decided to end it all and too a whole GRAM of diazepam. They woke up in hospital a week later. There are other cases where people have survived multiple grams. The ONLY argument is that it may not be the most abusable - good if you are a doctor, bad if your sell drugs on-line.

It's true - as long as you figure out how to manage on your own, you get no help. I've been on crutches for 25+ years BUT I manage. It seems like the prize for coping is being given LESS support.

I am reminded of the Boethius quoteL

'It is my belief that life is a wheel. "Rise up on my spokes if you like" says the wheel, "but don't complain when you're cast back down into the depths". Good times pass away, but then so do the bad. Mutability is our tragedy, but it's also our hope. The worst of times, like the best, are always passing away.'

So the fact you appear to understand Boethius and furthermore, are able to employ the philosopy as a way to find and enjoy happines is a lesson for us all.

You take good care of yourself, OK? I want to hear that your live is getting better each day. I am one who is able to enjoy vicarious happiness via my friends. However bad I feel, if I help someone, I figure I'm doing something to make this planed a bit nicer.

PS I KNOW I don'r need to say this, but do take care with strong pain killers. I've lost people to that stuff and don't want to attend another funeral!

 

[deficiT]

Diazepam (Valium™) is also the SAFEST benzodiazipine. There was a famous story of a compounding pharmacist who developed clinical depression. One day they decided to end it all and too a whole GRAM of diazepam. They woke up in hospital a week later. There are other cases where people have survived multiple grams. The ONLY argument is that it may not be the most abusable - good if you are a doctor, bad if your sell drugs on-line.

Sounds a bit like my own experience. I took nearly a gram of diazepam myself in an attempt to overdose, amongst a lot of other things.

Benzos aren't as dangerous as other sedatives in overdoses, but if they are combined with opioids or anything else, the effect can synergize and easily cause an overdose.

I didn't die, but I am stupid as fuck now, so buyer beware.

 

[4DQSAR]

Benzos aren't as dangerous as other sedatives in overdoses, but if they are combined with opioids or anything else, the effect can synergize and easily cause an overdose.

UK figures showed that 70% of accidental overdoses involved an opioid and a benzodiazepine.

I need to correct one detail. Not all benzodiazepines were created equal. While there are reports of people surviving multiple grams of diazepam, there is a LOT of data demonstrating that the nitrobenzodiazepines (nitrazepam, nimetazepam, flunitrazepam, clonazepam) are much more dangerous in overdose. Now I don't think anyone knows why but they all produce toxic metabolites. Not toxic at any normal dose, but toxic in overdose.

I checked the Swedish figures and over there 71% of intentional overdoses were caused by a nitrobenzodiazepine ALONE.

So please don't take a handful of those specific benzos - you may well not wake up.

 

[fairnymph]

Diazepam (Valium™) is also the SAFEST benzodiazipine. There was a famous story of a compounding pharmacist who developed clinical depression. One day they decided to end it all and too a whole GRAM of diazepam. They woke up in hospital a week later. There are other cases where people have survived multiple grams. The ONLY argument is that it may not be the most abusable - good if you are a doctor, bad if your sell drugs on-line.

It's true - as long as you figure out how to manage on your own, you get no help. I've been on crutches for 25+ years BUT I manage. It seems like the prize for coping is being given LESS support.

I am reminded of the Boethius quoteL

'It is my belief that life is a wheel. "Rise up on my spokes if you like" says the wheel, "but don't complain when you're cast back down into the depths". Good times pass away, but then so do the bad. Mutability is our tragedy, but it's also our hope. The worst of times, like the best, are always passing away.'

So the fact you appear to understand Boethius and furthermore, are able to employ the philosopy as a way to find and enjoy happines is a lesson for us all.

You take good care of yourself, OK? I want to hear that your live is getting better each day. I am one who is able to enjoy vicarious happiness via my friends. However bad I feel, if I help someone, I figure I'm doing something to make this planed a bit nicer.

PS I KNOW I don'r need to say this, but do take care with strong pain killers. I've lost people to that stuff and don't want to attend another funeral!

Yup. It’s so much safer and with so few side-effects compared to other benzos. It really does make sense why it’s more expensive on the black market and so much harder to find versus other benzos. It’s so useful, so versatile.

As they say, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. But those of us who can get by without help are blessed in a way. I’m bad about asking for help because it’s a point of pride for me. Yeah, it sucks that it’s so hard to find a good doctor, but because I basically never go to the doctor, and self treat whenever possible, others who aren’t as self-reliant can get more care. If we all crumpled (& stayed down) when life got hard, nothing would ever get done.

I’m actually not sure how I feel about that quote. It is true that change is the only constant, but I prefer to view my life as one which is constantly improving in the long run, despite going through ups and downs.

Hah, you’re a better person than I am. I wish people well, and I very much enjoy helping people, but I’m not able to live through them vicariously. I think I have too much ego for that.

I’m going to live until at least 120, or until I become unable to contribute & a burden, which is a LONG way off, possibly never given my anti-aging health obsessed lifestyle. I’ve never got anywhere close to an OD. I’m too cautious. I’m also a super metaboliser so it would take a lot. I don’t believe in funerals either. Wasteful, imo. I also lost my husband to an OD, and too many other friends. No offense, but I find it a weak, foolish and ignominious way to go. I have too much pride for that.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

Man, i have not seen any indications of fentanyl hitting australia yet... It is still the same china white untouched for me as it always has been..
Damn i would def like to try fentanyl though.... why don't they just cut heroin with a little bit of fentanyl to increase its strength!?

You don't want that crap. It's soulless and it just knocks you flat.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

In my experience, Methadone is one of the best opioids. Here’s why:

- Long-acting: It provides relief for an extended period.
- Strong euphoria: Especially Levomethadone/Polamidol.
- Oral consumption: You can take it orally, which is convenient.

I’ve only consumed opioids orally or by building lines. I’ve never smoked them due to their very short duration, and I would never put a shot in my veins. I won’t judge others who do, but I just can’t. Just imagine what your parents, friends, or partner would think if they saw that...

My absolute favorite is Tilidine. It has the strongest cognitive euphoria by far. It’s even illegal in the US, Asia, etc., because of its heavy abuse potential. This is because it’s not just a μ-opioid receptor agonist; it’s also a dopamine reuptake inhibitor (as far as I know, the only opioid that also acts as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor) and an NMDA receptor agonist.

• Effects: Very sedating and insanely euphoric.

Stay Safe, Mana0909

Are you in Germany?

You sound just like the user Hexenstahl who seems to have disappeared.
Lived in Germany, was on Levomethadone, favorite opioid was tillidine....

I haven't heard from her since April of 2024 though, but the coincidences are striking. lol
Makes me wonder. You should track her down for me. I need to know if she's okay.





As for the topic at hand, you Europeans are lucky. Decent heroin goes for less than 50 bucks a gram over there. But in the US, the dealers are taking advantage of the fentanyl problem & charging ridiculous prices like close to $200 a gram for fent-free heroin. Fucking INSANE!!!!! I will never get to enjoy heroin again at this rate.

 

[fairnymph]

Are you in Germany?

You sound just like the user Hexenstahl who seems to have disappeared.
Lived in Germany, was on Levomethadone, favorite opioid was tillidine....

I haven't heard from her since April of 2024 though, but the coincidences are striking. lol
Makes me wonder. You should track her down for me. I need to know if she's okay.





As for the topic at hand, you Europeans are lucky. Decent heroin goes for less than 50 bucks a gram over there. But in the US, the dealers are taking advantage of the fentanyl problem & charging ridiculous prices like close to $200 a gram for fent-free heroin. Fucking INSANE!!!!! I will never get to enjoy heroin again at this rate.

But it’s all full of nitazenes. That’s why I have to get stuff from Canada at $125/g.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

But it’s all full of nitazenes. That’s why I have to get stuff from Canada at $125/g.

The cheapest shit I've been able to find is India imported Tapentadol.
And tapentadol sucks. Absolutely zero euphoria, mild pain relief, very short lasting.

Everywhere online claimed tapentadol was superior to tramadol, but I've reached heroin-levels of euphoria & relaxation with tramadol. Can't say the same for tapentadol.


$125 ain't too bad, assuming it's not cut all to hell. Hook a brother up! lol

 

[fairnymph]

The cheapest shit I've been able to find is India imported Tapentadol.
And tapentadol sucks. Absolutely zero euphoria, mild pain relief, very short lasting.

Everywhere online claimed tapentadol was superior to tramadol, but I've reached heroin-levels of euphoria & relaxation with tramadol. Can't say the same for tapentadol.


$125 ain't too bad, assuming it's not cut all to hell. Hook a brother up! lol

I hate tapentadol. I also hate tramadol, but have known plenty of people who enjoy it.

It’s pretty pure, I think. One person said it tested positive for xylazine but that’s the ONLY bad review I’ve seen. If it does contain xylazine, I think it’s a small amount. It does have a weird, unique chemical smell/taste that the very slightly golden stuff from Southeast Asia (same price, but shipping takes 3mo) does not (nor did my pure lab grade), though. But a little flavour can go a long way. I need to get both tested.

 

[4DQSAR]

Both tepentadol and tramadol share the dubious honour of having been marketed as being less addictive. I presume that is because both are quite weak opioids but act on extracellular monoamine levels which is supposed to provide part of the analgesia.

IN the UK doctors were initially very keen to prescribe tramadol - then there was a spate of accidental overdoses. People who were convertsent with the effects of codeine noted that at low doses, the two drugs were quite similar and presumed that a high dose would therefore be the same. For a lot of people, it was the last mistake thay ever made. So now doctors have hastely decided that co-codamol 30/500 is the safer option. Addiction considered a lesser issue than deaths.

Tapentadol is hardly ever prescribed as far as I know. Certainly it became a class A controlled drug beefore it was even prescribable. So no surprise that doctors saw no advantage over morphine or oxycodone - medications they have decades of experience in prescribing.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Both tepentadol and tramadol share the dubious honour of having been marketed as being less addictive. I presume that is because both are quite weak opioids but act on extracellular monoamine levels which is supposed to provide part of the analgesia.

IN the UK doctors were initially very keen to prescribe tramadol - then there was a spate of accidental overdoses. People who were convertsent with the effects of codeine noted that at low doses, the two drugs were quite similar and presumed that a high dose would therefore be the same. For a lot of people, it was the last mistake thay ever made. So now doctors have hastely decided that co-codamol 30/500 is the safer option. Addiction considered a lesser issue than deaths.

Tapentadol is hardly ever prescribed as far as I know. Certainly it became a class A controlled drug beefore it was even prescribable. So no surprise that doctors saw no advantage over morphine or oxycodone - medications they have decades of experience in prescribing.

A lot of people & doctors are idiots & think "potency" = stronger/better effects. Even I thought this way for the longest time. But it's not true.

Buprenorphine is technically "stronger" than heroin even, but nobody enjoys buprenorphine over heroin. lol Fentanyl is stronger than heroin, but it also sucks in comparison.

So doctors see "oh, tramadol is a weak opioid, so therefore it won't be as addicting blah blah". But that's just not true. Tramadol is just low in potency. And potency is nothing but the amount of drug it takes to cause an effect. Here in America, the US pretended like tramadol wasn't really an opioid for over 30 years. I use to be able to walk into the pharmacy, tell them that my mom lost her 180 count bottle of tramadol & they'd happily refill another one. Because American "science" told them that "tramadol is just like another tylenol". Yet even I knew tramadol was a fucking fully synthetic opioid. It was crazy. But eventually they decided "oh hey, that drug that was uncontrolled for 30 years, well it's an opioid now & so we're going to control it". I believe that was in 2013-2014, which is ironically around when I met my heroin dealer.

Tramadol really did wonders for my depression. So I wish it were still easily available.

Tapentadol sucks & feels nothing like tramadol. It's also only a partial agonist, but it has 88% intrinsic activity, while buprenorphine (my usual opioid) only has like 40-60% intrinsic activity at the receptor. So I figured tapentadol would at least be slightly more enjoyable than buprenorphine. But it wasn't. Tapentadol's NRI properties are waaay stronger than tramadol's too, so taking too much tapentadol causes this weird "black cloud hanging over me" kind of effect, which prevents any real euphoria shining through.

Tapentadol was invented by the same company that invented tramadol. But how they figure tapentadol is a "better version" of tramadol is beyond me.


The American war on opioids has ruined my life. The opioids themselves didn't ruin my life, but the tyrannical politics we live under did.
I just want to be comfortable in my body & brain & be able to be present in moments that I'm missing out. And to be at inner-peace. And the only way I've ever been able to achieve that is through heroin/opioid use.

 

[4DQSAR]

I don't quite know why you felt the need to quote me - I didn't mention any of the topics you covered.

The term 'potent' refers to the ANALGESIC activity of a given opioid - not it's abuse potential.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I don't quite know why you felt the need to quote me - I didn't mention any of the topics you covered.

The term 'potent' refers to the ANALGESIC activity of a given opioid - not it's abuse potential.

I literally was just talking about tramadol & tapentadol & then you come in and start talking about both & how doctors treat both in the UK.
So I don't know why you feel the need to have such a fucking attitude.

Did you literally not mention tapentadol & tramadol? Cause if so, that sounds like you're "mentioning topics that I covered".


And no potency doesn't refer to the "analgesic" activity of a given opioid. Potency = how much of a dose it causes to cause an effect.

Buprenorphine is a highly potent opioid, more potent than heroin even, so by your logic, bupe would have "high analgesic activity", except it doesn't. Cause that's not what potency means at all.

 

[4DQSAR]

Buprenorphine DOES have 'high analgesic activity' as you so pointedly and incorrectly stated. That's why buprenorphine comes as 200ug sublingual tablets for pain. BECAUSE it's potent. Now it comes as 2 & 8 mg tablets for opioid dependence, but not for pain.

Don't confuse an opioids ability to produce euphoria with it's ability to treat severe pain. Those two effects are not related. I agree that neither buprenorphine nor tapentadol produce euphoria - that's what made them attractive to doctors. But they both come with their own issues which limits their use. The goal of treating pain with an opioid is to avoid side-effects and euphoria is a side-effect. That some opioids don't produce that side effect actually makes them the preffered option.