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Cocaine Is a speed ball really that good?

Swimmingdancer said:
^I guess whether it's "inactive" or not is just a question of semantics, but how do we know it does nothing? Just because it doesn't do what the manufacturer claims it does doesn't mean it does nothing at all.
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I'm going off my experiences with suboxone and subutex, they felt exactly the same to me, and everyone I know says the naloxone is inactive. Perhaps it's not the best word to describe it, but it certainly does feel inactive.

Have you tried both suboxone and subutex?
 
i've done bot suboxone and subutex and they both work just suboxone makes me more nauseous
also that could be because the nasty orangeish flavor
 
I prefer to do the H on the stim comedown. I used to enjoy shooting ritalin+opiate(morphine or oxy) in the same rig but nearly pushed it too far on a few occasions and the urge to re-dose on the stim before it has worn off is too much, id end up killing myself if I pseudo-speedballed these days. I would like to try having a shot of H and a few lines of coke or smoke some crack but wouldnt IV both in the same rig. My family has a history of heart problems so stims scare me. I enjoy shooting H when coming down from an IV meth dose or binge, the H synchronizes perfectly with the meth comedown and creates an extremely euphoric and relaxing high different to just having H alone or mixing the peak of both drugs together.

I find that the shittier you feel, the better the H will make you feel and meth makes me feel like death afterwards so thats why I think it works so well, to me the coke-comedown is nowhere near as bad as the meth comedown so im not sure if it would be as good. Now I want heroin but have to wait at least a few days :(
 
tricomb said:
I'm going off my experiences with suboxone and subutex, they felt exactly the same to me, and everyone I know says the naloxone is inactive. Perhaps it's not the best word to describe it, but it certainly does feel inactive.

Have you tried both suboxone and subutex?
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Sorry this is getting off-topic here :)

I haven't injected either of them. I wasn't saying I support the earlier poster's assertion than injecting buprenorphine on its own provides more euphoria and rush than injecting bupe+naloxone. From anecdotal reports some people say they feel the same, some people say they feel different, and I have no personal experience. As far as I'm aware there haven't been any good studies done on it. (Aside from people injecting Suboxone who had used full-agonist opioids recently, which is not relevant). I was really just being nitpicky about the word "inactive". It kind of makes it sound like naloxone in general does nothing. It may be made ineffective by the bupe. We know that the naloxone in Suboxone doesn't put someone into precipitated withdrawals if they haven't used full agonists recently, but that does not prove the naloxone does absolutely nothing to the brain/body. To me "inactive" would imply a substance in a medication that is not capable of exerting any effect or side-effect. Naloxone could possibly be doing something to the brain/body even if it doesn't successfully block the effects of buprenorphine.

Do you know much about how exactly the bupe makes the naloxone ineffective? When you inject Suboxone, could the naloxone antagonize the opioid receptors and then the bupe comes along and bumps the naloxone off the receptors as it has a higher binding affinity? It is impossible that the naloxone could affect the receptors first (thereby decreasing a "rush" or delaying the effects of the bupe)? Is it impossible that the naloxone could stay on some of the receptors, or is the bupe guaranteed to bind to them all? I really don't know, just asking in case you understand it better than I do:)
 
I've never personally done a speedball, but I've watched others do it. To me, it doesn't look enjoyable. At all. The people would just get fiendish and somewhat agitated and talk WAY too much, but in a somewhat calm sort of way... if that makes sense? I don't know how to explain it. Like, they wouldn't be up and walking around and cleaning stuff, they'd just be sitting back and chillen, but still be doing shot after shot after shot and getting pissed if they even *thought* someone else was taking more than their share. LOL. It just looked like a huge waste of tar imo.

Off topic -- I've tried both Suboxone and Subutex. Gotta say, the Subutex worked infinitely better for me than Suboxone.
 
I think that a lot of people that enjoy speedballs have too high of a tolerance to enjoy one or the other on their own, so they take a combined mediocre buzz from each together instead of a mediocre buzz from either on their own.
 
Tommyboy said:
I think that a lot of people that enjoy speedballs have too high of a tolerance to enjoy one or the other on their own, so they take a combined mediocre buzz from each together instead of a mediocre buzz from either on their own.
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I think that is sometimes the case but not always.

IV coke is a lot different than insufflated coke. I would go so far as to say its practically a different drug. However the rush is so intense, that users offten either add heroin to the solution, or use herin afterwards in order to come down properly. A common misconception is that you feel the rush of both drugs.[b[]You don't.[/b]. You feel the rush of cocaine, and then sink into the opiate.

Honestly most people I know don't shoot speedballs habitually. They are addicted to heroin, like to shoot coke, and will shoot coke until they have one bag left, and then speedball that one
 
yeah, in my personal experience the difference between suboxone and temgesic/subutex is fairly negligable unless you use needles. i've talked to a lot of people who find my preference of bupe over smack to be somewhat mystifying, but even the best h i had never produced the intese euphoria that pure buprenorphine does. i've never shot morphine or oxy, but find buprenorphine nasally to be just about as good.
as for tolerance, i have a moderate tolerance to opioids and and a low one to coke, and personally am not a fan of the latter on its own.
 
Znegative said:
I think that is sometimes the case but not always.

IV coke is a lot different than insufflated coke. I would go so far as to say its practically a different drug. However the rush is so intense, that users offten either add heroin to the solution, or use herin afterwards in order to come down properly. A common misconception is that you feel the rush of both drugs.[b[]You don't.[/b]. You feel the rush of cocaine, and then sink into the opiate.
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So true, she becomes a bad bad girl when shot up.
 
hell, i respectfully disagree that you don't feel the rush of both drugs when shot up. i've been through all common ROA's with both heroin and coke (except oral because fuck that shit) and to say that you only feel the coke when you mainline a speedball is simply not true, at least not for me. an IV speedball is completely different from both IV coke and heroin. granted, it's different for everyone, but i simply dislike such broad generalisations.
 
closest ive done to a speedball was coke and hydromorphone in the same shot. a totally different feel like xxxyyy said. i try not to shoot coke often at all because unless its cray good you need so much to get a good whack and then you're just shooting a bunch of unknown cuts. dilaudids and crack in the same rig would probably be cool but again seldom seldom seldom!!

edit: shot mdma and then dilaudids maybe half hour, 45 mins later. i cant think of too many times when ive been more fucked up off fairly little. definately not recommended if you have to drive but if you were chillin at home i bet it would be awesome
 
I think sir_thizzalot hit it dead on. What you are doing is without doubt adding a much higher level of danger to using the drugs. If you aren't noticing it as any more enjoyable, then just avoid it and the risk involved.
 
xxxyyy said:
hell, i respectfully disagree that you don't feel the rush of both drugs when shot up. i've been through all common ROA's with both heroin and coke (except oral because fuck that shit) and to say that you only feel the coke when you mainline a speedball is simply not true, at least not for me. an IV speedball is completely different from both IV coke and heroin. granted, it's different for everyone, but i simply dislike such broad generalisations.
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Really? I think it depends on the ratios. I would offten use my regular ammount of heroin and then a larger ammount of coke than I normally would shoot, so I always would get a crazy ringer and sink into a nod. Most people I know who do speedballs feel the same thing. That's interesting though if you could feel both. Before I did it, that's what I fantasized of.

To the person who talked of injecting hydromorphone and crack, (who previously injected hydromorphone and cocaine), the experience will be relatively the same, unless you're crack is way better or worse than the coke you had used. I say this because you can't shoot crack in its freebase form, you need to use citricnacid to make it water soluble again (and this practice is very hard on the veins.)
 
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