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4DQSAR said:
Yep - you are not alone.

HR agencis have begun to use forms of 'deprogramming' in which a user will sit there and cook up a (fake) fix and stop just before actually injecting anything. Apparently it works quite well. Because as I'm sure you know, we know only a tiny proportion of people who are clients ever detox from opioids. But we hand out free foil, lighters and booklets on how to smoke (vape) heroin or as no user EVER termed it 'chasing the dragon'. NEVER heard that term used.

So tiny steps. Don't think 'I will stop' but maybe think 'I will at least give smoking H a try'. The reason being that when smoked by an expert, the bioavailability is well above 90% and I've known people who really have turned smoking H into an art form. I mean really impressive to watch.

Of course, you can't QUITE match IV for the rush which is why I mentioned Palfium (dextromoramide) being used to treat IV opioid users. Orally dextromoramide produces a rush everyone tells me is more or less identical to IV heroin. Of course, it IS supervised because a sure as eggs are eggs, if given a pill to take up, people will be compelled to at least trying to whack it up... which despite the claims of Janssen, actually makes the stuff x5 more potent i.e. x15 more potent than morphine. So Even just 2 pills consumed in that manner could result in an OD.

You have always struck me as a smart person and all I can do is to try to give you the best information I have. You know, don't use alone, have naloxone handy and if it all goes BADLY wrong - call 999 or whatever it is in your nation. Because having done it, paramadics would like to know how much of what someone has taken BUT they won't ask you if you took anything. They don't tell the police but if you are paranoid, stash whatever somewhere off your own property.

We aren't here to put you down - we are here to make sure you are here for a long, long time.
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Man, I have LONG left those levels of recklessness behind. I volunteer in harm reduction now and mentor people.
 
It's a term still used in SE Asia but you have to wonder if a person heard the line in a TV show or movie and decided it would make them appear more... time-served.
 
4DQSAR said:
It's a term still used in SE Asia but you have to wonder if a person heard the line in a TV show or movie and decided it would make them appear more... time-served.
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Nah I know users in my area who routinely say chasing to mean smoking.

PS it actually makes sense to me because strictly speaking, you are not smoking but vaporising; and when I've tried this method I DEFINITELY felt like I was 'chasing after' the trails of resin on the foil Xd
 
Oh yeah - it's a pretty accurate descrption. But 'having a toot' has significantly fewer syllables and isn't quite as obviously tied to one specific drug. Opacity can be a benefit.

The slang constantly changes and in no small part it's to defeat unindoctrinated people into what is going on. Given it's widepread use, if you say 'chasing the dragon' - even my nan would know it meant vaping H.
 
4DQSAR said:
Oh yeah - it's a pretty accurate descrption. But 'having a toot' has significantly fewer syllables and isn't quite as obviously tied to one specific drug. Opacity can be a benefit.

The slang constantly changes and in no small part it's to defeat unindoctrinated people into what is going on. Given it's widepread use, if you say 'chasing the dragon' - even my nan would know it meant vaping H.
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All I meant to say is that particular bit of (albeit shortened) slang isn't entirely obsolete everywhere. Because you stated that in your environment you had literally NEVER heard it, and that puzzled me somewhat.

PS I absolutely would never say 'I had a toot' because in BE that's old person polite slang for doing a fart Xd
 
Well - while farting may not be socially acceptable in many places, it's not a criminal act to the best of my knowledge. So opacity would be of value.

I'm honestly curious as to where such an old term is seemingly so common.

That said, I can imagine that if said in a Welsh accent 'chasing the dragon' would sound much better than any English accent or dialect you can poke a stick at.
 
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Well - while farting may not be socially acceptable in many places, it's not a criminal act to the best of my knowledge. So opacity would be of value.

I'm honestly curious as to where such an old term is seemingly so common.

That said, I can imagine that if said in a Welsh accent 'chasing the dragon' would sound much better than any English accent or dialect you can poke a stick at.
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Like I said, I only ever heard the phrase 'chasing the DRAGON' once or twice unironically from actual users, and they were middle aged or over. But it is still fairly common to come across 'chase' being used synonymousjy for 'smoke'.
The implication even with just 'chase' is that it's referring to heroin.
 
Well, I leant somehing new - so thanks for that.

Chasing alone I have encountered.

Any more choice terms that are obscure out of your neck of the woods?

For a while people would toot their gear and with fake shock in their voice, remark 'My goodness Holmes I'm begnning to think this isn't a bassoon!'
 
I appear to be in the minority here ;-)

I'm sort of glad to hear H users in the US smoke the stuff. Of course we all get the images of needles or at least crushed pills being snorted. Both dangerous in their own ways.
 
4DQSAR said:
I appear to be in the minority here ;-)

I'm sort of glad to hear H users in the US smoke the stuff. Of course we all get the images of needles or at least crushed pills being snorted. Both dangerous in their own ways.
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Yeah, it's mostly a term from Western US users I believe.

We have (or had, before fentanyl took over) this weird dichotomy where the Western side of the US would mostly get black tar heroin coming in from Mexico & stuff.

While the Eastern side of the US would get powdered heroin. And the midwestern states often would get the East coast powder/rocks (or at least the people I hung out with in the midwest did).

But I have definitely heard "chasing the dragon" many times here in the US.
 
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