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Opioids intelligent replies only please... regarding pure oxycodone powder

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I am going to be able to get my oxycodone 30mg tabs compounded... meaning that a compound pharmacy is going to take empty capsules and put 30mg of oxycodone hydrochloride powder in them. Understand? 100% oxycodone powder. It is pure. It is shipped to them from the legal chemical companies who make the oxycodone for purdue and other drug companies as well.. In other words, I'm getting capsules with 100% unadulterated 100% pure oxycodone hydrochloride powder in them. Each capsule contains 30mg of oxycodone and nothing else. Not fillers, no binders, not nothings... just 100% pure oxycodone powder and nothing else. To any who still don't grasp the concept, you could simply empty the powdered contents of a capsule into a ml of water (30mg is very little powder), stir, and shoot. No need to filter, no need to boil, no need to crush anything down. If the water you used is bacteriostatic, then you've just created a 30mg hospital grade IV dose of oxycodone. Infact, this is how hospital doses are made. The pure powder is mixed into bacteriostatic water and sent to the hospital for injection. AkA it does not get ANY more pure than this.

Good, glad we're on the same page. Now, I should be able to get the capsules without a hitch, but the compounder is concered that they won't be able to put a medication into a capsule without filling the capsule the entire way... apparently they rely on mixing 1 filler with the active ingredient (oxycodone) and then filling the capsule to the top so that they know they've filled exactly 30mg of oxycodone into each capsule. Well I talked for a while to dissuade them from this and they'll try... but

worst case scenario, I need to pick a filler. What filler should I go with? and if I have to, is there any way to seperate the filler from the oxycodone powder without getting either of them wet and waiting for them to dry? If I must use a filler, I want one that will be harmless to snort, harmless to shoot (for a friend) and 100% water soluable. I also want the filler to be the safest least toxic filler possible. If I have to use a filler, I've thought of lactose, glucose, sucrose, fructose, maybe dextrose, cellulose.

What do you guys think. What filler would be easiest to filter out without losing any oxycodone, and without having to go through a long extract process... and also, what filler will be safest to use both IV and orally and intranasally should I decide it's not worth the effort to try to filter. What is the single best filler I could ask for, along with my oxycodone. The next best thing obviously being that they do just let me have the pure powder.

Keep in mind, pure oxycodone with 1 filler in a capsule is still billions of times safer, more potent, and more pure than any oxycodone pill on the street.

Thanks for the advice!
 
Do they have a list of fillers to chose from? Also, why would you want the filler to be water soluble? I would prefer a filler that is not soluble in water, this way it won't dissolve into the solution, and you can filter it out and end up with only oxycodone in the solution.
 
Pick a non-soluble filler, why would you want to use anything other than H20 to get you're pure oxycodone powder?

And why would you want to IV it anyways? I mean, I'm not going to give that speech right now but there is no advantage whatsoever to shooting oxycodone.

ROA aside, going strictly on solubility....

What about Magnesium Stearate? It's big enough to be filtered out with a compacted cotton.
Or maybe even a starch? corn starch would work fine provided there was absolutely no heat.

Just food for thought, I'm not recommending you choose anything without more research.

I still wouldn't shoot anything without proper filtration though, pure powder or not it would feel wrong to me to IV a shot that I didn't filter.
 
tricomb said:
What about Magnesium Stearate? It's big enough to be filtered out with a compacted cotton.
Or maybe even a starch? corn starch would work fine provided there was absolutely no heat.
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IV Magnesium stearate and corn starch have been associated with pulmonary granulomas, meaning it fucks up your lungs. Not as bad as stuff like talc or cellulose, but still possibly harmful.

Magnesium stearate is used as a lubricant in the manufacture of pills or capsules. Corn starch is used to help break apart the pill or capsule; it swells up with water.

If you just going to snort or IV it, I'd use lactose as a filler. It's used in hypodermic codeine pills for IM and as a drug cut for ages.

Still filter it.
 
Yeah none of these inactive ingredients are good to be injecting without a micron, but the thing is the active ingredient, oxycodone, is not even worth shooting.

I would totally pick lactose if the OP was intent on not shooting it up. Would be very easy to snort.
 
Yea I would still take it orally, and considering that it would be in powder form already you don't have to go through the trouble of crushing them up. Just dump it out of the capsule into your mouth, and wash it down with a glass of water. The oral bioavailability of oxycodone is upwards of 87% making it one of, if not the best drug in that class to take orally. I think that hydrocodone has about the same oral BA of oxycodone considering it's at least 80%, and oxy is 87%.

The duration of oral oxycodone makes it a better choice for most people since it lasts a lot longer than the intranasal and IV ROAs. The other ROAs have a faster onset since the majority of the drug hits you quicker, but since it doesn't last nearly as long I prefer the oral BA since it has a higher BA than intranasal administration, and since the possible negative health effects from IVing it do not outweigh the positives since the BA of IV oxycodone is only a little higher than the oral BA, and I (and most others) don't experience a rush from IVing it. As Tricomb mentioned though, that topic has been beat to death, and it's best to stay on the topic of what filler you should choose.

Is there a reason why you wanted a water soluble filler? We pointed out why we think that a filler that is non-soluble in water would be a better choice.
 
Lactose is water-sol but not very good for long-term storage. I guess it could be used IV too.

My gut instinct is to go with a cellulose/starch based filler, it's comparatively biologically inert, mostly water insoluble, filters good.

Paraffin wax is another good one. Don't use bees-wax for IV.

Magnesium stearate will be mostly water insoluble, it's basically a magnesium soap. But it's normally used as a binding/tablet releasing agent to help pressed tablets have a nice finish rather than a filler itself.
 
Cellulose, starch and magnesium stearate are all associated with lung problems such as pulmonary granulomas. Microcrystalline silica, seriously? If inhaling it does that I can only imagine shooting it. Cellulose is almost as bad as talc, starch may clear up but still has caused problems, and magnesium stearate isn't as associated with granulomas as say talc or cellulose but still can cause them. Starch and magnesium stearate might be less associated with lung problems because the body may have some way of eliminating them. I can't find anything that says lactose or mannitol is dangerous IV.

I have my doubts about that one study that says IN bioavailability is 45%. It's a small study and if it is lower where does the rest go? My experience leads me to believe that IN bioavailability is higher than PO. Besides PO bioavailability varies from 50-87%. Those getting 87% won't notice much difference IV or IN save a faster onset, but for those that get 50-60% it may be twice as strong. And some do just like the feeling of IV oxy and describe it as a rush.
 
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This whole thing makes no sense. Why would they need a filler for capsules...filler is for solid pills and extended release...trouble filling the capsule? That thing is fully automated and the mass weighted is 0.00000g precise. In chemistry we don't need to add crap to a pure compound in order to measure its mass precisely.

You're either trolling, you got it wrong or you're endangering your entire career by posting work related abuse on the internet...
 
you should see if they would have anything like granite as a filler i'm sure they don't have rock but maybe something similar that won't get sucked up in a syringe
 
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Lmao, this guy. Granite.
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Yea I don't see any possible way that a) a compound pharmacy would have granite on hand; b) they would actually use it as a filler; or c) it would be even remotely safe.

Granite is composed of several minerals with various elements. It has potassium, aluminum, magnesium, silicon, iron, sodium, calcium, and a few other elements. While some of those elements may be safe to take orally in low doses, I still wouldn't do it, and IVing and intranasal administration would be absurd.
 
ksa said:
Why would they need a filler for capsules...filler is for solid pills and extended release...trouble filling the capsule? That thing is fully automated and the mass weighted is 0.00000g precise.
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It's much simpler to mix it with a filler to put into capsules. The equipment is cheaper and easier to use. I don't think there are 30mg capsules.
tricomb said:
Lmao, this guy. Granite.
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QFT.

I don't get everyone saying to use insoluble shit. Mannitol is used medically IV. Lactose is in hypodermic tablets. AFAIK there is no complication related to them even though they are common in pills and street drugs.
 
THC2LSD said:
I don't get everyone saying to use insoluble shit. Mannitol is used medically IV. Lactose is in hypodermic tablets. AFAIK there is no complication related to them even though they are common in pills and street drugs.
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Well the OP was so excited about getting oxycodone with no fillers at first, so I recommended insoluble cuts to bring their hopes back. :D

I see where you are coming from that some water soluble cuts are used medically for IV, but the whole point of getting the oxycodone from a compound pharmacy was to avoid having to deal with fillers, and to be able to separate the oxycodone from the inactive ingredients if a filler had to be used. The easiest way to extract oxycodone from fillers is by using a solution that would only dissolve the oxycodone, and to filter out the fillers as they would not dissolve into the solution. They did want one that they wouldn't need to get wet though, but they can still administer the oxycodone intranasally by using an oral syringe or spray bottle after making a solution.
 
What do you think microcrystalline silica is?

All the binders I'm suggesting are totally safe for oral use but should also be easy to seperate from the oxycodone by simple water extraction. If you micron filter it, & do not heat the sol'n there should be very little risk at all from these chemicals being toxicants.

Indeed as mrflowers pointed out something totally insoluble like silica minerals is the easiest to seperate. Unfortunately, because they are not water soluble they are much more of an irritant for your mucosa and present a vein blockage risk.
 
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