Opioids intelligent replies only please... regarding pure oxycodone powder

[Deblanc]

What I don't get is, why would a compounding pharmacy be having this conversation with a patient about what fillers to use or not use in a script? Compounding pharmacies have strict standards of control on the narcotics they dispense from bulk material. A customer wanting to coach them into not using fillers on an abusable narcotic like oxycodone should throw up red flags galore. Pharmacies aren't ice cream parlors where you can pick your flavor. This makes no sense to me. Am I missing something here?

 

[tricomb]

What I don't get is, why would a compounding pharmacy be having this conversation with a patient about what fillers to use or not use in a script? Compounding pharmacies have strict standards of control on the narcotics they dispense from bulk material. A customer wanting to coach them into not using fillers on an abusable narcotic like oxycodone should throw up red flags galore. Pharmacies aren't ice cream parlors where you can pick your flavor. This makes no sense to me. Am I missing something here?

I'm with you on this, this whole thread has had me doing double-takes, so to speak.

 

[Deblanc]

In re-reading the OP posting, I'm beginning to think we aren't talking about filling a written script here. Maybe this is what Ksa is referring to with the statement about endangering your career?

 

[tricomb]

^yeah I'm really confused as to what's going on here.

 

[Tommyboy]

What do you think microcrystalline silica is?

Varieties of quartz used as gemstones. There's quartz in the rocks I mentioned, but only the rhyolite has some microcrystalline quartz in it. I still wouldn't want to eat that. Then again I don't know if you were asking me.

 

[serotonin-system]

I am going to be able to get my oxycodone 30mg tabs compounded... meaning that a compound pharmacy is going to take empty capsules and put 30mg of oxycodone hydrochloride powder in them. Understand? 100% oxycodone powder. It is pure. It is shipped to them from the legal chemical companies who make the oxycodone for purdue and other drug companies as well.. In other words, I'm getting capsules with 100% unadulterated 100% pure oxycodone hydrochloride powder in them. Each capsule contains 30mg of oxycodone and nothing else. Not fillers, no binders, not nothings... just 100% pure oxycodone powder and nothing else. To any who still don't grasp the concept, you could simply empty the powdered contents of a capsule into a ml of water (30mg is very little powder), stir, and shoot. No need to filter, no need to boil, no need to crush anything down. If the water you used is bacteriostatic, then you've just created a 30mg hospital grade IV dose of oxycodone. Infact, this is how hospital doses are made. The pure powder is mixed into bacteriostatic water and sent to the hospital for injection. AkA it does not get ANY more pure than this.

So let me get this straight, the oxycodone you will be getting.......is pure? :D

 

[THC2LSD]

Lactose or mannitol is as close to air or water as you're going to get. Certainly easier on the nose and lungs than microcrystalline cellulose or talc. If it's a small capsule with a weight of about 200mg that's still 15% oxycodone. The original Oxycontin 80mg if my memory is correct was 360mg. But these capsules have no talc. No fucking a/b extraction, no fucking micron filters even. Just stir, maybe heat(gasp!) and a cotton filter. Easier than brand name Dilaudid, which has magnesium stearate. Although a micronfilter is recommended for sterility. Even better the micron filters are less likely to clog.

I wonder if everyone is just fucking with the OP. So what if he/she is lucky enough to get capsules with nothing but oxy and sugar. By percentage of weight it might comparable or not be as good as Roxicodone or OG Oxycontin, but it's fucking lactose, if he/she wants it.
No one know the situation. Maybe they're seriously fucked up and that's why they get them, maybe the OP has a cool ass doctor. Or maybe the OP is full of shit and is either dreaming or wants to cut something else. If it's fantasy no harm. Even if they're going to cut shit, fucking silica or granite, seriously8)?

If it's primarily for snorting/IV you should just get lactose or mannitol. If it's primarily for oral use maybe get about 5-10% starch to help the capsules break apart, micron filtering them if IV.

 

[Tommyboy]

^ The 80's weighed less than that. They were the most potent of the oxy pills, even compared to the 30s. Here is the pill mass thread.

 

[macd610]

This was an amusing read, lmao.
When I saw the title of the thread it grabbed my interest. By the time I got to the end I was literally laughing out loud. I needed it today, too..you guys are a trip!
Anyway, if one were able to get PURE Oxycodone, my question is- how is it any better than regular pills, as far as effectiveness goes? I mean, unless you're super anal about what you put in your body, even down to FILLERS-which is a pretty unique quality for someone on here

 

[THC2LSD]

I could have sworn I weighed an oxy and it came out to .36grams, or maybe .32. Maybe a generic? Either way no talc or cellulose is a good thing.

 

[mrflowers00]

i said granite as something that could be large enough to not get into the syringe and is not water soluble but i don't think even if you could get it that granite would be a good filler

 

[pbuilder]

Lactose or mannitol is as close to air or water as you're going to get. Certainly easier on the nose and lungs than microcrystalline cellulose or talc. If it's a small capsule with a weight of about 200mg that's still 15% oxycodone. The original Oxycontin 80mg if my memory is correct was 360mg. But these capsules have no talc. No fucking a/b extraction, no fucking micron filters even. Just stir, maybe heat(gasp!) and a cotton filter. Easier than brand name Dilaudid, which has magnesium stearate. Although a micronfilter is recommended for sterility. Even better the micron filters are less likely to clog.

I wonder if everyone is just fucking with the OP. So what if he/she is lucky enough to get capsules with nothing but oxy and sugar. By percentage of weight it might comparable or not be as good as Roxicodone or OG Oxycontin, but it's fucking lactose, if he/she wants it.
No one know the situation. Maybe they're seriously fucked up and that's why they get them, maybe the OP has a cool ass doctor. Or maybe the OP is full of shit and is either dreaming or wants to cut something else. If it's fantasy no harm. Even if they're going to cut shit, fucking silica or granite, seriously8)?

If it's primarily for snorting/IV you should just get lactose or mannitol. If it's primarily for oral use maybe get about 5-10% starch to help the capsules break apart, micron filtering them if IV.

original OC's were 270-280mg's

 

[tricomb]

This was an amusing read, lmao.
When I saw the title of the thread it grabbed my interest. By the time I got to the end I was literally laughing out loud. I needed it today, too..you guys are a trip!
Anyway, if one were able to get PURE Oxycodone, my question is- how is it any better than regular pills, as far as effectiveness goes? I mean, unless you're super anal about what you put in your body, even down to FILLERS-which is a pretty unique quality for someone on here

30mg oxycodone = 30mg oxycodone, a compounded form of oxycodone is no more effective than an equivalent dose in, for example, Roxicodone or Percocet.

 

[Tommyboy]

This was an amusing read, lmao.
When I saw the title of the thread it grabbed my interest. By the time I got to the end I was literally laughing out loud. I needed it today, too..you guys are a trip!
Anyway, if one were able to get PURE Oxycodone, my question is- how is it any better than regular pills, as far as effectiveness goes? I mean, unless you're super anal about what you put in your body, even down to FILLERS-which is a pretty unique quality for someone on here

X mg of oxycodone is still X mg of oxycodone, so as long as they are both instant release formulas they are going to feel exactly the same, and the only variable would be if one was extended release. So if you got 30mg of pure oxycodone it would feel the same as a 30mg oxycodone IR. The instant release pills dissolve pretty quickly so having it in powder form wouldn't make all that much of a difference, but you could obviously crush the pill since increasing the surface area would speed up the time it takes to dissolve, thus making it be absorbed a bit faster.

It would still feel the same, but for someone snorting it the pure powder would be better since there wouldn't be any inactive fillers coming in contact with the mucous membranes in the sinus cavity and blocking some of the drug from being absorbed. For most drugs the difference is negligible, but for drugs with a high % of filler it could keep some of the drug from being absorbed there since the membranes may be coated with filler already, so once the nasal cavity is cleared and the drugs drip down the throat they would be absorbed as if they were taken orally. For IV use the pure drugs would feel the same, but the user wouldn't have to worry as much about a missed shot considering the solution was sterile.

You need fillers to be able to handle the drugs though, since the active ingredients are too small to press into pill form on their own, and probably wouldn't stay intact. Using capsules (like the OPs case with the compounding pharmacy) would be the only way to have pure dosages in a way that they could be handled properly, but if all drugs were in capsules shady people would be switching out the contents.

 

[macd610]

X mg of oxycodone is still X mg of oxycodone, so as long as they are both instant release formulas they are going to feel exactly the same, and the only variable would be if one was extended release. So if you got 30mg of pure oxycodone it would feel the same as a 30mg oxycodone IR. The instant release pills dissolve pretty quickly so having it in powder form wouldn't make all that much of a difference, but you could obviously crush the pill since increasing the surface area would speed up the time it takes to dissolve, thus making it be absorbed a bit faster.

It would still feel the same, but for someone snorting it the pure powder would be better since there wouldn't be any inactive fillers coming in contact with the mucous membranes in the sinus cavity and blocking some of the drug from being absorbed. For most drugs the difference is negligible, but for drugs with a high % of filler it could keep some of the drug from being absorbed there since the membranes may be coated with filler already, so once the nasal cavity is cleared and the drugs drip down the throat they would be absorbed as if they were taken orally. For IV use the pure drugs would feel the same, but the user wouldn't have to worry as much about a missed shot considering the solution was sterile.

You need fillers to be able to handle the drugs though, since the active ingredients are too small to press into pill form on their own, and probably wouldn't stay intact. Using capsules (like the OPs case with the compounding pharmacy) would be the only way to have pure dosages in a way that they could be handled properly, but if all drugs were in capsules shady people would be switching out the contents.

Thanks, TommyBoy!
I appreciate your time; very thoughtful post.
I was curious bc I take oxycodone ir 150mg/day. Once in awhile I pass by a compounding pharmacy, and I wondered why I had never heard of this type of thing being done if there's anything noticeably better about this method.
Have a great night!

 

[morphinanymous]

My mother had this done wth hydrocodone powder when I was young like, really young 15 maybe....she had 40mg hydrocodone pills compounded at an apothercary (that what I call those places) . I even believe ona forum here I saw something about a 40mg h/c form.

I think they used caffeine as a filler almost like Butabital. I could be wrong about it, I remember her getting someting compounded and snortng the fuck out of it. Like I said I'm not sure the filler.

I would go with lactose as a filler. I do see the positive of using an insoluable filler to make the OC powder seperate leaving behind the insoluable filler so one knows they have pure oxycodone. But as mentioned above, this is crazy of them letting you choose, shit if you get a choice, tell them to fill it with Hydroxyzine, due to the fact you itch and whatnot.

OC+Hydroxyzine combo thats be nice. (doubt it'd happen)

 

[Treefa]

Yea i'd want one that is, well that wont dissolve with the oxy, you know so you can do a CWE or something of the sort

 

[Synaptic Gap]

It's much simpler to mix it with a filler to put into capsules. The equipment is cheaper and easier to use. I don't think there are 30mg capsules.QFT.

Why would it even matter if the capsule is completely filled? Its not like it will lose its effectiveness if there is empty space in a capsule. This whole thing does seem odd.

 

[puffj]

Do they have a list of fillers to chose from? Also, why would you want the filler to be water soluble? I would prefer a filler that is not soluble in water, this way it won't dissolve into the solution, and you can filter it out and end up with only oxycodone in the solution.

I should have clarified more. I want a water soluable filler if filler is absolutely necessary because I'm a snorter, not a shooter. If the filler isn't water soluable it means it will sit and dry in my nose, whereas if it's water soluable, it won't clog my nose.... and yes, I could get a non-soluable binder added and dump the oxy powder into water, to filter the oxy from the filler, but that defeats the point... I want the oxycondone hydrochloride in powder form, not suspended in water, and I don't want to have to evaporate the water off and scrape powder from a pyrex plate and lose any dose....

So, water soluable = good because it will not cause nasal problems, and if anything, will make any oxycodone near it more easily able to pass through nasal membranes that the filler may be in contact with.

Yeah none of these inactive ingredients are good to be injecting without a micron, but the thing is the active ingredient, oxycodone, is not even worth shooting.

I would totally pick lactose if the OP was intent on not shooting it up. Would be very easy to snort.

I'm not an IV'r, never have tried, never will. Terrible phobia of needles.. I'm just saying water soluable so that it doesn't goop in my nose. If I was an IV'r I would obviously opt for a non soluable filler so I could ensure that pure oxy hcl was all that was in the water... but I'm not. I have a friend (not a SWIM) who does enjoy IV'ing once a year, and water soluable fillers still wouldn't be bad if they're sugar based like lactulose.

But that aside.. my goal is pure oxycodone hydrochloride. If I HAVE to have 1 filler added, I want it to be either easy to remove from the oxycodone hcl without getting any product wet and keeping it all in powder form, or very very safe nasally (which is why I've decided on things like lactose).

This whole thing makes no sense. Why would they need a filler for capsules...filler is for solid pills and extended release...trouble filling the capsule? That thing is fully automated and the mass weighted is 0.00000g precise. In chemistry we don't need to add crap to a pure compound in order to measure its mass precisely.

You're either trolling, you got it wrong or you're endangering your entire career by posting work related abuse on the internet...

Sorry you don't believe me. There is a reason, they use 3 standard capsule sizes, and fillers are weighed along with the capsule number x 30mg oxycodone powder to equal 125mg (the volume of the capsule), where the rest of each capsule has to be occupied by filler (125mg-30mg) because the automated filling machine can only fill the 3 capsule sizes and does so after mixing the oxycodone powder required to make 30mg capsules, and filler, required to fill those capsules to the top (125mg-30mg) by mixing the two substances together to ensure homogeny and then releasing 125mg of material into each capsule.

Makes perfect sense infact, when you have to use an automated process... so no, I'm not trolling, I don't have it wrong, and it's not work related abuse... you just need to think a little harder to understand what sorts of things need to be done when automated filling machines are used and standardized to 3 capsule sizes (the smallest obviously being the 125mg).

Because pure powder has no fillers, and as most people don't understand, 30mg of powder is literally a spec of dust on your finger. Which means, you can snort a hell of a lot more oxy, without having to rail loads and loads of powder, as is the case if you have to crush 30's. The other thing is that because there are no fillers, and nothing else, the oxy is the ONLY thing in your nasal cavity, and isn't fighting for surface area with fillers and binders, which, logically speaking, means that it should absorb even faster, and more of it should absorb at once. With no fillers to get in the way, and a very small amount of powder being used, it should create a much better rush than a regular 30mg oxycodone pill which has to dissolve first and takes up precious nasal mucosa surface area with binders and fillers instead of nothing but oxycodone.

The instant release pills dissolve pretty quickly so having it in powder form wouldn't make all that much of a difference, but you could obviously crush the pill since increasing the surface area would speed up the time it takes to dissolve, thus making it be absorbed a bit faster.

It would still feel the same, but for someone snorting it the pure powder would be better since there wouldn't be any inactive fillers coming in contact with the mucous membranes in the sinus cavity and blocking some of the drug from being absorbed. For most drugs the difference is negligible, but for drugs with a high % of filler it could keep some of the drug from being absorbed there since the membranes may be coated with filler already, so once the nasal cavity is cleared and the drugs drip down the throat they would be absorbed as if they were taken orally. For IV use the pure drugs would feel the same, but the user wouldn't have to worry as much about a missed shot considering the solution was sterile.

Exactly. Glad someone saw the benefit

 

[Tommyboy]

I should have clarified more. I want a water soluable filler if filler is absolutely necessary because I'm a snorter, not a shooter. If the filler isn't water soluable it means it will sit and dry in my nose, whereas if it's water soluable, it won't clog my nose.... and yes, I could get a non-soluable binder added and dump the oxy powder into water, to filter the oxy from the filler, but that defeats the point... I want the oxycondone hydrochloride in powder form, not suspended in water, and I don't want to have to evaporate the water off and scrape powder from a pyrex plate and lose any dose....

So, water soluable = good because it will not cause nasal problems, and if anything, will make any oxycodone near it more easily able to pass through nasal membranes that the filler may be in contact with.

Actually I don't think that water solubility is the main factor that allows it to be absorbed by the mucous membranes. It might be lipid solubility, but I could be wrong. It's not like water in in your nasal cavity to dissolve the drug, ya know? A lot of the fillers in pills aren't water soluble, and people still snort those pills without much problem. If anything it would just drip down the back of your throat like any other pill. Even oxy IR isn't all water soluble, and I haven't heard of anyone complaining about nasal issues when sniffing them, unless maybe they sniff 10/day. I choose to avoid any of those possible issues anyway by eating oxycodone.

Pure oxycodone powder would be ideal for reasons stated in your recent posts, but whether the filler is water soluble or not should not be that big of a deal in terms of efficiency in sniffing it. Benzos are not water soluble (other than a few) and although it's pointless and ineffective to snort them, you don't end up with some goop in your nasal cavity. Since you can filter out insoluble fillers though, I would still choose those over water soluble ones.