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Intellectual Laziness of Atheists

lostpunk, could you please explain to my why you think that the best decision would be to not believe in god. You're not very good with these tables aren't you.

Let me simplify it,
-If you believe in God, you have nothing to loose.
-If you don't believe in God, you can loose everything, ie possible chance of going to hell (or whatever ya'll want to call it).

If you want to not believe in a God because there is no solid proof, thats cool. Whatever floats your boat. Im just saying, what do you have to loose by believing?
 
TranceAggie said:


However, I choose to believe in god, or some supreme being because of simple logic. Truth Table Below

-God exists and I believe in him results in heaven.
-God doesn't exist and I believe in him results in nothing.
-God exists and I don't believe in him results in hell.
-God doesn't exists and I don't believe in him results in nothing.

Hmm, wonder which is the best decision? lol
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Pascal's Wager. It's like a way to scare people almost into believing. Like saying "hey if you believe and there's a god, there's at least a chance you'll get to heaven. If you don't believe than there's no chance for you." Strange logic but I guess it makes sense to an extent.
 
lostpunk5545 said:
^ By that logic it makes more sense to not believe in god. There is no proof for god therefore I don't believe in him. There is a measure of proof for evolution therefore I believe in that.

I'm not saying that god and evolution are incompatible because they are compatible. However there is nothing about evolution in the bible. To me that suggests that the religions that are kind of tacking this, oh but we believe in evolution as well, onto the end of their arguement are copping out.
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I think there's more than a bit of proof for evolution. I'd say the proof is overwhelming.
And just because there's nothing in the Bible about evolution doesn't mean every Christian or Jew has to be against the idea of evolution and support creationism. I know plenty of people who believe in the Bible and the large amount of symbolism in it. And they would say that God created the universe and evolution was part of that universe that was created.
The Bible doesn't specifically mention a lot of things. It doesn't mean they go against the Bible.
p.s. nice avatar Bad Religion kicks ass.
 
Re: Re: Are They Vatican, Or Vati-can't? NB: Not Excepted As Gospel By The RC Church...

Christian Soldier said:
Can I ask why you quoted this?
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Sure. :)
The Gospel According to Thomas has
some of the clearest & most inspiring things
I have heard Jesus as quoted/paraphrased/interpreted as saying.
I like to help draw ideas & understanding from, and have studied many texts from many different religions, and as far as Christian Mysticism
goes, I think it's probably the writings that ring truest for me.
I'm not Christian, but grew up exposed to alot of Christain teaching,
most of it dogmatic & tied up in meaningless (to me) ritual,
just find it nice to see that I can now sift through the crap and pull out
the good bits.

By the way lostpunk5545,
The Gospel According To Thomas isn't in 'The New Standard Bible',
nor is it accepted as Jesus' teachings by the RC Church, as far
as I know. Not a 2000+ ol' book, just some writings found in a clay pot
in the 40's by some Egyptian Goatherding Dude.

http://www.gospels.net/additional/thomasadditional.html

Interesting or irrelevant to you, whatever :)
I like to think that maybe most Religious Traditions
have something in common of value at their esoteric core,
regardless of how shiite I find other elements of their practice.



ps. That energy healing course sounds really cool, where can you study that in Sydney?
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www.naturecare.com.au

Good luck with it.
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Thanks, Man
UnS
:)
 
TranceAggie said:
lostpunk, could you please explain to my why you think that the best decision would be to not believe in god. You're not very good with these tables aren't you.

Let me simplify it,
-If you believe in God, you have nothing to loose.
-If you don't believe in God, you can loose everything, ie possible chance of going to hell (or whatever ya'll want to call it).

If you want to not believe in a God because there is no solid proof, thats cool. Whatever floats your boat. Im just saying, what do you have to loose by believing?
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My dignity :)

What kind of a loser only believes in god because if they don't they might go to hell. According to the bible god gave us freedom of thought right? (As punishment for eating a piece of fruit? Haha cracks me up every time)

Well if god wants to be an indian giver and recede his gift upon death's door then fuck him I'll gladly reside in hell.

Bc4130 - As I said I agree that it is possible to believe in both evolution and god. The point I was trying to make is, if evolution is real, then why wasn't something mentioned in the bible?

And I'll answer that question- Because the theory of evolution wasn't around when some people wrote the bible. The bible and god are a product of man.

p.s. yeah BR rock. I had the same avatar as you but saw yours and figured, to coin a phrase, that change is as good as a holiday :)
 
Believing in something because you are scared of concequences if you don't is not true belief by the way meaning, that according to that viewpoint that person will still end up in hell.

It's retarded to even consider such concepts. If god is going to send you to hell for not believing in him, then there is much more wrong with this reality than you can fathom.

On second thought, maybe I should become a Christian right now because of course it's the only right religion and if I believe in Jesus then I will be saved from hell right? Or maybe I should pick Islam, or Judaism? Since they are completely correct also and if I don't believe in their teachings, then I am completely wrong about everything possible right?
 
"It's funny how some people believ in science as blindly as others have faith in their religion. They argue to have more logic than religious people while they are just as close-minded."

That makes no sense. The science believers are only open minded to reason and evidence.

"And people expect science to be the ultimate answer to all their questions. "

Not really. People expect sciene to be the answer to all the important questions, such as curing AIDS.

Nice try in bashing science, though. ;)
 
II am not bashing science at all. I respect is completely, and in fact majoring in it. By believing in science blindly, I mean those people who try to justify everything with science, while it still has flaws.
Science can support observable data, but it cannot be the final answer on many things. And yes, some people do consider science to be definitive answer to all the questions. I have no doubts that science can and will be the answer to many questions, but I am convinced that there are some things that science will never be able to uncover because they are simply not observable by us, whether because we lack the tools to observe it, or because we lack the ability to comprehend the results.
 
"It's funny how some people believ in science as blindly as others have faith in their religion. They argue to have more logic than religious people while they are just as close-minded."
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and then the denial from sexyanon...
The science believers are only open minded to reason and evidence
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Wait, you mean they *believe* in reason and evidence?

like maybe how, people *believe* in God?

You should rephrase this as:

People *believe* in concepts that they themselves invent (God, reason, and evidence all included).
 
A think this is a nice little quote from the American Atheist society. Who by the way are very welcoming of Atheists or Agnostics.

"An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist accepts that heaven is something for which we should work now -- here on earth -- for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist accepts that he can get no help through prayer, but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and to enjoy it. An Atheist accepts that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment."
 
Thinkin' Of The Crowd On The Day

kooky_swanky said:
" An Atheist accepts that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment."
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Originally posted by UnSquarePOxy 654, 27-31: (5) Jesus says, "K[now what is be]fore your face, and [that which is hidden] from you will be reveal[ed to you. For there i]s nothing hidden which will not [be made] mani[fest] and (nothing) buried which will not [be raised up]"
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Like I said, Ima not a Catholic/Christian ect.,
but reading between the lines, they're very similar statements,
methinks.
:)
 
Grim said:
maybe I should become a Christian right now because of course it's the only right religion and if I believe in Jesus then I will be saved from hell right? Or maybe I should pick Islam, or Judaism? Since they are completely correct also and if I don't believe in their teachings, then I am completely wrong about everything possible right?
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That's the beauty of Catholicism. If you joined the Catholic Church, you could be a Christian and you'd be part of what Catholics believe to be 'the best' religion, but not the only religion that will get you to heaven.
One central part of Catholicism is that if someone is born into a culture or religion that is not Christian/Catholic, but they follow their conscience and do their best to lead a good life, they will go to heaven.
Most Christians piss me off when they say that Catholics and other Christian denominations are all doomed to hell unless they join a particular denomination. Catholicism is the exeption. Another reason I tend to think a little more highly of Catholicism than other forms of Christianity. Catholics don't tell you that you have to be Catholic to go to heaven. Just thought I'd mention it in case you weren't aware.
 
protovack - reason and evidence is there. If you want to pull that bullshit "Science believes in what's there and religion believes in what's not there," then you're in complete denial.

Humans have to work with what's here, not what's not here.

Reason MAKES sense. If a strong enough reason is established, there is nothing that can break it down (except for lies). Religion is based on another man's word, which can easily be broken down.
 
Originally posted by Larr_E
I need to pull my pants up cuz the bullshit is getting a little thick...
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Shit, I stopped at my last comment, I knew this was going to get ugly, and the eternal BS go around argument started promptly. Religion is just a word, dogma is just an action. If you must act. Make for the betterment of mankind, and the environment which we must all share. Otherwise kill yourself now, because you are wasting space, and causing needless conflict, and drama all over a chemical reaction in your head.:\

Science shouldn't have been brought up in this argument. Any true scientific mind can tell you that we use empirical evidence to prove things, but they are not settled as facts. Hell even a mathematician can tell you this. Nothing is true, just evident, or consistently apparent.

SHIT, I'm a damn physics drop-out, and I know this.8)
 
^^^ Well said.


But I can't resist... :)

protovack - reason and evidence is there. If you want to pull that bullshit "Science believes in what's there and religion believes in what's not there," then you're in complete denial.
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Reason and evidence aren't just "there." They are useful tools. As such, religion has it's own useful tools as well.

And, you claim that I'm "pulling the bullshit" of "Science believes in what's there; Religion believes in what's not there." Why is that wrong?
 
Evolution is highly debated and is increasingly being called into question for a variety of reasons. Many many scientists will tell you flat out that there is no real reason to accept it as conclusive or anywhere close to that right now. Its not like science is just some "obvious truth" that only lazy theists want to deny - plenty of scientists are putting it to the test daily and so far its got tons and tons of flaws.
 
Really? Not being smart ass, but seriously interested....name a few for me. I could google it, and come up with tons of fruitcakes who are on the "creation science" payroll and wouldn't know if they are reputable or not.....please tell me a few honorable respectable scientists who don't believe it is a valid theory.
 
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