Intellectual Laziness of Atheists

[Negative]

pa..:

Well, why not? Some Buddhists belive in some gods and goddesses but no good Buddhist belives that these gods and goddesses can do anything for humans, and in the Buddhist view gods are mortal and humanity is a superior state.

The majority of classic Taoist texts say nothing about gods or goddesses, and while Taoism is a very diverse religion, any kind of theism is definitely secondary.

You don't seem to understand these religions at all . . .

 

[MishaRZA]

Turbo Monk: Car accident at 6, brain damage, house fire, parents split up, beat up by kids twice my size, parents got back together and then my dad lost thousands of dollars...

I guess I did somethin in past life.

 

[syymphonatic]

i have a problem with people blwoing off scientific proof/cold hard facts in the name of religion. for example, creationism vs. evolution.

so i see it the other way around... atheists are the intellectuals, while the very fundamentalist deists are very intellectually lazy.

 

[David]

I say who gives a shit. Why build walls around yourself, and limit your understanding of other humans around you by buying into a specific belief system. You only limit what you are capable of, or what is available to you. Tear down the walls of oppression....

 

[lostpunk5545]

I'm an atheist because atheism as a theory most aptly explains my day to day personal observations...

I also find it laudable that people who get all their views from one source, the bible (purposely avoided using caps), can accuse others of intellectual laziness.

If I had handed in an assignment at school, or if I did it now in my further education, with the following bibilography:

NAME OF ONE PAPER, BOOK ETC. - Someone, A long long time ago.

I would have got a a big fat 0.

The thing with science is - there is no absolute answer. Theories are constantly changing with new research. There will never be an absolute truth, only one that is most correct with current knowledge.

If somone could show me some well thought-out, reseached, experimented theory that proved the existence of god to be the most relevant current theory, then I would believe in that.

I guess that makes me an agnostic, but I like to use the title/label atheist because it automatically forces people to retreat into their little religious coccoons and start preaching at me. This I find to be hilarious and trouble making is part of my inherant nature.

The one quality I believe makes an intellectual (and I don't care about anything subjective like IQ tests) is the ability to have a fully working bullshit detector. An intellectual is a person who will not accept the status quo until the status quo has been questioned to the severest degree.

 

[pa..]

Science fits just find with my beliefs. I love science. It changes all the time. It's so subjective. Scientists can't even agree on their world. What we consider to be the truth today will be considered absurd in a hundred years. I love it all. We'll never solve it all no matter how much we try.

I can't wait for science and religion to merge. I think that will be the next great step for mankind's consciousness.

 

[bc4130]

If somone could show me some well thought-out, reseached, experimented theory that proved the existence of god to be the most relevant current theory, then I would believe in that.

Maybe you should check out St Thomas Aquinas's proofs of God's existence. It has to be one of the strongest arguments for the existence of God. A good place to get a summary is here:
http://www.nd.edu/~ggutting/Aquinas*.html
Even though I myself am a skeptic and don't think there's enough evidence to prove things one way or the other, my favorite proof was always the argument from design. There's the ontological argument which we discussed for at least a week in my philosophy class. The cosmological argument (prime mover).
Do some searches for these if you want to see some of the most practical and more popular proofs of god's existence. I still like looking at them, but I love philosophy so this stuff might bore you to death.

 

[frizzantik]

this author has constructed a nice straw man that was so easy to knock down!

Atheists are intellectually lazy and seek to put finality and closure to the question of God's existence so they don't have to think about it any more.

Theists are intellectually lazy and seek to have a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence (aka faith) in the existence of gods so they don't have to think about it any more.


once you accept the fact that there probably isn't a god, a million more questions arise. most atheists i know love to explore these questions, so to call an atheist intellectually lazy would be an intellectually lazy statement

 

[David]

^^ Damit it's easier for me to point my finger, and just blame you for all of my problems. Satans Spawn.

/Rush voice, and babble.

 

[Grim]

It's funny how some people believ in science as blindly as others have faith in their religion. They argue to have more logic than religious people while they are just as close-minded.

And for those who believe that science will one day uncover all the mysteries of reality. Guess what? The more we learn through science the more questions arise. Furthermore, I am sure that even if we were somehow presented with all the knowledge about the universe we would not be able to process this information. Think about quantum physics, the string theory, black holes, etc., Those concepts are very hard for us to grasp and we can't fully comprehend them no matter what. And this is just the tip of the iceberg, who knows how much deeper and more complicated reality goes.

We simply do not have the ability to understand these advanced concepts. Even if we evolve and are able to understand these higher concepts with more ease, this makes more problems arise. How far can evolution go? At which point does it stop? Or does it go on forever? See, even the concept of infinity does not register in our head well. And people expect science to be the ultimate answer to all their questions.

We should still pursue it, and develop as a species, but we have to realize that no matter how much we discover there will always be more to discover, and we should focus more on living out our lives.

 

[rewiiired]

Atheists are intellectually lazy and seek to put finality and closure to the question of God's existence so they don't have to think about it any more.

Those who believe in a god without question are lazy. Those who disbelieve in a god without question are lazy. Those who have explored the idea, put it under a mental microscope from as many different angles as they possibly can and find no real reason to believe in any absolute, ultimate father figure or absolute -- those who have truly earned their `beliefs' and have taken a lot of long, hard, open coversation and speculation and investigation to come to their conclusions -- these people are far from lazy. To assume that all atheists are `intellectually lazy' is, in itself, lazy.

In/out, up/down, right/left, hot/cold, tension and the release of tension, appetite and the removal of appetite, the passage of time as moments. These are all IDEAS. These ideas were conceived and executed. If you don't see the world as a construct of tremendous magnitude, you're just not looking at it.

They are indeed ideas -- well-defined ones. Directions, temperatures, sensations, sequences. They are symbols or signs that refer to something specific -- not to something ambigous.

It's right there in front of you, but you choose to ignore it. If you need more evidence to be convinced, then you will never be convinced, but I must state that because you choose to ignore and investigate this evidence, you are simply too lazy to ponder it.

If you need no evidence to be convinced, you are lazy. What is easier than simply believing in something without question, without experiment, without reason, without weighing the other possibilities?

And to assume that if one had taken the time and energy to investigate this `evidence' that one would come out believing in a god as opposed to being an atheist seems to be rather ignorant.

Don't get caught up in the trap that God is all peace, love, and happiness stuff.

I live on earth among human beings in a human society. I am an artist and a writer, and so I know very well that creations reflect their creator. Creators such as I, who write stories and articles and spill images onto paper via India ink and pastel -- we are influenced by outside forces. These forces are funneled through our psyches, and so they are still in a sense part of who we are, and so their expression on the page or the canvas could still be seen as a direct expression of the creator, but one could also say that we are very influenced creators. Any ultimate creator would have no influence other than itself, as it would, of course, be ultimate. So it's creation would therefore be the purest kind of reflection for it's personality. So even if I were to believe in a god, my ignorance could not extend so far so as to "get caught up in the trap that God is all peace, love, and happiness stuff" -- for as I said, I live on earth among human beings in a human society...

This leads to all sorts of erroneous thinking. Take an honest look and try to see the world (reality, not man's world) as it really is, not through the haze of your preconceptions. Shut your internal dialogue up long enough to take a good look.

I have experienced this through the use of MDMA, through meditation, and through the medium of sex. Focusing on sensation and tuning out all else is extremely liberating, but I have no reason to believe that this beautiful rendition of reality is any less subjective than the equally convincing `realities' I percieve when I am angry or depressed -- or that either end of the spectrum implies any force of creativity beyond the forces inherent in my very own mind.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Overall, while I don't like making generalizations, I can't help but do it after 2 years on them. christians are dumb and atheists are brilliant.

Do you really believe that to be true in general? Are they dumb because of their religious beliefs or are Christian's just uintelligent in general? I can understand if your an Atheist and your thinking Christians are dumb to believe in God though, because it directly conflicts with your view's.

ps. Which chistian and atheist forum's did you visit?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Science fits just find with my beliefs. I love science. It changes all the time. It's so subjective. Scientists can't even agree on their world. What we consider to be the truth today will be considered absurd in a hundred years. I love it all. We'll never solve it all no matter how much we try.

I can't wait for science and religion to merge. I think that will be the next great step for mankind's consciousness.

Did you know scientist's can have devout religious beliefs too?

 

[UnSquare]

^
This does not mean that their beliefs are balanced,
coherent, or based on personal inner experience & practice/contemplation.

A scientist is just as likely to carry dogmatic beliefs as anyone else.

A good book, tho, I found, to read
was
Quantum Questions:
Mystical Writings Of The Worlds Great Physicits
compiled by
Ken Wilber

Kinda throws a diff'rent stance on the link between
Skiing & Re:Legion...

...egegeg "Most Of The Greatest Physicists Believed
Science Couldn't Prove Mystic shit; yet All The Mad
Physicists still Repped for The Fact Physics Could
Only Prove How They Felt Spirtitually To A Certain Point,
passed that they pointed in a pretty similar direction(ish)...

Hmmm...
(small xanax disclaimer)

 

[Christian Soldier]

^
Obviously.

 

[UnSquare]

Obliviously

Yeah... but, like, say,
what I meant an' all
was that they believed
in 'The Perenial Philosophy'
or/of some form...
but found the idea off following one
book (or a bunch of conflicting stories
drawn from a long period of randoms
wandering in the desert attactched to
some real freeeassh and down-diggity
occasional pro-effects comming throu
some spiritually advanced bros who had
risin' in consciousness past the times
consciousaveragenorm and then mis-
interpreted by a bunch of pre-devolped
minds who couldn't think esoterically/
between-the-lines)

What's I meant is that, though science
may not be able to explain interior experience
ever(?....?)
neither can 'The Great Books'.
They can point.


To pull a cliche' or two:

"The Map Is Not The Territory."

"My teaching is like a finger pointing at the moon.
Do not mistake my finger for the moon."


There perhaps comes a point where only contemplative experience
& reflection / integration & lettin' go of ol' dogs
can explain the states reached...

Meah....

PEACE
UnAwake



NB: Are you actually a 'Christian' 'Soldier' or just a 'Christian Soldier'?
J.C. (Just Curious)

 

[Christian Soldier]

I think I understand what your saying or I might be confused, I'll check back tomorrow after sleep.

And I'm Christian but I'm no soldier for any man's army at the moment. I just chose my nick for what I perceived would be the most hated name on bluelight. %)

ps. Just read your occupation in profile, what's an energetic healer do?

 

[Dean Luna]

This is wrong on many levels. A Buddhist can call himself an atheist or not, as can a Taoist. Some believe in a god or gods, some do not. However, common to all of them is the idea that the universe is all a conscious one-ness. Many choose to call this God because that term seems to fit best.

God as the conscious universe of which we are all part. Anyway, since when does belief in a God who is not separate from, superior to, and judging humanity equal to atheism? Are you saying the term God can only accurately be applied to the Judeo-Christian notion of a separate, superior deity who looks down on us and judges us? That is pretty close-minded.

~[sucjpb;ast~

Boy are you wrong. I am not close-minded, sorry. I simply happen to have studied religion and Buddhism at the highest levels.

The concept of God as oppose to the concept of gods and goddesses (which is found in Buddhism) is a concept of an ultimate reality, or a plane of ultimate existence, of a Source. The disbelief in this is the foundation of Buddhism, and is found in the doctrine of voidness.

You might, if you wanted to be very silly, call the Tao "God." But I cannot imagine a Taoist doing so as the Tao is not to be named.

Isn't it a bit lazy to call me close-minded just because I happen to know what I am talking about?

 

[Dean Luna]

Athiests do not believe in anything beyond the physical. Taoists and Buddhists both believe there is more to life than what is known and understood by the human mind. They believe in the supernatural and/or the "unknown". Athiests do not.

Buddhists believe in a completely seperate reality that is real, and the cause of all that we percieve to be real. An athiest wouldn't buy that for a dollar.

Atheism means that you don't believe in God. I can belive the world really is a computer matrix for example and still be a atheist. The word literally means lacking-god.

"Buddhist's belive in a separate reality that is real." Since when? Buddhists absolutely never belive this. They belive in nothing that is separate from anything else (this is yet another reason they cannot belive in a God). Buddhists "believe in" nothing but this linguistically conventional world in which we live, and they believe in the voidness of this world.

 

[UnSquare]

Are They Vatican, Or Vati-can't? NB: Not Excepted As Gospel By The RC Church...

I just chose my nick for what I perceived would be the most hated name on bluelight. %)

Touche'
%)

ps. Just read your occupation in profile, what's an energetic healer do?

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Still in progress.
But my passion.


POxy 654, 27-31: (5) Jesus says, "K[now what is be]fore your face, and [that which is hidden] from you will be reveal[ed to you. For there i]s nothing hidden which will not [be made] mani[fest] and (nothing) buried which will not [be raised up]"

Gospel According To Thomas.
Some of the best things recorded said by Josh,
but rob(b)ed peeps get the creeps...
PEACE
UnS