insomnia and benzo withdrawal.. cant lay down without panic attack

unfortunately movies, video games etc, everything scares the hell out of me now lol. it is ridiculous. I can barely listen to music. I was only on it for 3 months.. I guess I reinstated cause of my previous withdrawals. I hope it doesnt last as long as the previous one did. Im actually doing a better taper this time at least
 
facing possible homelessness now... my parent's dont want to go through the withdrawal and don;t even believe im really withdrawing.. telling me im fucking up and making shit up cause if eel like i cant do school. telling me im fucking my whole life up. guess i am. i deserve it i guess im not fun to live with .. but they dont understand or care about the pain. I was hallucinating last night. oh well.
 
haha unfortunately i have no one that'll leet me crash with them/ idk things have to get better eventually
 
haha unfortunately i have no one that'll leet me crash with them/ idk things have to get better eventually

Are you still covered under insurance? If so go to rehab. Not sure what school is (high school or college) but either way the buildings will still be there next semester. Get yourself cleaned up and then go back. You won't do any good in classes if you are sick.
 
haha unfortunately i have no one that'll leet me crash with them/ idk things have to get better eventually

Yea i love it when parents make shit up you arent even doing, then you gotta sit there and sulk and you start thinking you actually did something wrong, rehab is a good idea they will take care of you and most parents are all for it. Im hoping things get better too cuz i deal with that shit like every other day, and im not even on drugs cuz of "them"
 
if you get nauseas, be sure to puke in your parents' room or in their view

etc

if they are not going to trust when you're in this position due to an actual medical taper after an actual medical prescription and you're not the biggest druggy ever... have them talk to a professional about what w/d can do

if you're gonna get the boot anyway... allow them to see the changes. let them see you jump at any sound. let them see you eat a fourth your meal and get sick. let them hear your pacing all night with the insomnia. it'll piss them the fuck off, but this is a situation where having them realize what's going on is really important
 
OMG duneplanet thats horrible, draigan too I mean its bad enough alone to deal with wds, its another thing to have to worry about finding a place to live.

And duneplanet, you might not be a fun person to live with lol, but you sound like a very down to earth person here, and I think its a blatant shame that your parents are so fucking naive to addiction.
What do they need to see? You having a seizure in front of them? Because that absolutely can happen coming off benzos. Benzo wds are perhaps the most evil insidious wds in the world imo. I think something like methadone pales in comparison to some of the shit I've seen on youtube with people in active benzo wds. I mean I've never seen someones toes twitching and curling like that one guy coming off klonopin. Sure opiates will leave me shakey, and have some muscles twitching involuntarily, but benzos are just a whole nother ball game.

I think the dose of lyrica you are on know is "smart". Theres no other way I could put it. But if he puts you on too high a dose its not going to be any funner tapering the lyrica down. The problem is however at 3mg a certain dose of lyrica was prob working, but when you drop down to 2mg you would technically need to bump the lyrica up to properly deal with wds.

It seems like your dr is forcing you do deal with the wds, vs having the lyrica deal with most of them, and all though I know you must hate it, its the best way to really break the addiction. You can up the lyrica, feel better, than drop the valium again and feel like you need to just up the lyrica more. But instead, you're dealing with the wds and getting the drugs out of your system, just do it at a pace you can STAND.

If wds get too bad, then DO NOT be afraid about asking to up the lyrica. But the dose you're on right now is perfect imo. More obviously works a lot better, but its going to wind up causing more harm than good. If anything it would be more important to focus on dropping the valium at a slower rate, than to focus on upping the lyrica anymore.
So let me reframe what I said. If wds get worse, slow down the valium drops or ask your dr if you can stablize on a higher dose first before dropping. Just be completely honest and if your in pain your in pain, don't try to hold that shit in and be a tough guy.

I hate to say it but I think if you got some of the good old school phenibut it would definitely help, but you would still just be risking more physical addiction like the lyrica. They say with phenibut to do 3 days on, and 3 days off, and its suppose to keep you from getting hooked on it. But when you ALREADY have an addiction in that region of the brain, for all I know your body can get dependent on the phenibut at a much faster rate. I mean you might notice a rebound just by taking it one time and stopping.

And tolerance really builds so FAST to phenibut its going to push you into a position where you're gonna feel worse not upping the dose all the time. It mayyyy just be better to try staying away from it. But I also don't wanna talk you out of an idea that may possibly help you. So we'll just leave the idea open to think about for now.

Its odd with all the addictions in this world benzos are one thing I absolutely refuse to abuse in any respect. If I take a benzo for more than a week I start getting anxious as fuck just because some of the stories I've seen coming off them. I wonder if there'll ever be a day where scientists wll start focusing on meds that don't cause horrific wds, vs creating w/e the fuck they want and not really giving 2 shits about the people taking them.

I mean we really have far too many meds in this world that come with horrific physical addictions. I guess its been like that for longer than I'm thinking, but gzzz how easy it is to get hooked on a med now and days. Doesn't matter if you're a drug addict, a pain patient, an anxiety patient, a heart patient, we all are susceptable to the same exact forces. Which is why its always better to have an attitude of compassion and empathy than being judgemental.
 
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thanks guys,. unfortunately my doctor is headstrong and wont withdraw me any slower. Im gonna ask to up the lyrica from 75/100/100 to 75/150/100 when im on 1 mg ande then 75/150/150 when im on zero. I hope that doesnt hurt me in the end. I just need help. I have asperger's and am hypersenitive, have sevee anxiety etc mixed witht he hardest drug withdrawal.. yea thats not fun. I want my life back
 
my gf broke up with me. life is just wonderful. the pain hasnt even hit me yet. somebody help me
 
my gf broke up with me. life is just wonderful. the pain hasnt even hit me yet. somebody help me

Man I talk about this from time to time here but at one part of my life I was a regular member of the seduction community in CNJ.

And at another point of my life I was running my own lair and dealing with this shit a lot. But what would basically happen is men from all walks of life would come to the lair freshly suicidal, and my job was not only to help them overcome their divorce, but to take them out into the real world and make them realize theres really no "rules" to the game. And what I mean by that is almost any man could have any woman he wants.

You will read this question again, but if you had 10 gorgeous women standing in front of you right now, and you knew you could sleep with/date anyone that you chose, would you even remotely be feeling any pain right now?

I just want you to realize the role of social skills in breakups.

There are 2 situations.
A man with little social skills breaks up with his gf. He feels like there is NO WAY he will ever find another women like her (one-itis we call it) and the idea of proactively seeking a new partner is too overwhelming to him. But its more overwhelming in the respect that he doesn't know what to do. He doesn't know how to act, he doesn't know what to say. He just got dumped, and in all likelihood has been putting up with more shit than he should, but he still decided to stay with said woman because he lacks fundamental social skills to attract the women he really desires.

Situation 2
A man WITH social skills breaks up with his gf. He feels bad but realizes its "his strategy" that brings women into his life. He has no reason to really slip into that dark place because he KNOWS its the game that will bring another women into his life. And he knows its the game that brought his previous gf into his life.
He has no real reason to worry, because he knows BY EXPERIENCE that there is ALWAYS a better girl out there than the one he was with. He has a mentality of abundance, and is comfortable in his ability to attract new partners. Because of this, this man will get over the break up fast and be where he wants a thousand times quicker.

Which man do you think you are?

Social skills are like cooking skills, music skills, driving skills, ANY other skill in this world. They can be learned, and learned rather fast (at least in the seduction community where its the main focus).
Women are NOT mysterious beings that you need to waste your entire life figuring out. One you date a certain number of women you realize most of them are the same. They ALL have thier problems/flaws. And they are ALL very much susceptible to the same attractive forces.

But I will tell you this. The same way many men are weak to physical looks, women are weak to characteristics of social status. Not social status as in popularity, you do not have to be remotely popular to be good with women. I mean the genetic core traits of what biologically attracts women.

I can write lists and lists of things that 90% of women are biologically attracted to. Remember there was a time back in the day when humans didn't speak to each other, and we became hypersensitive to certain cues that we still look for today. In fact, these cues are the majority of what women look for still today. We evolved over MILLIONS OF YEARS of evolution. Its only the tiniest fraction of a percent that we've actually been able to speak words and communicate.
And you prob wouldn't believe me, but WHAT you say is NEVER as important as HOW you say it. In fact, there are ways to say things that overide most social norms.

There will always be a man who directly propositions a woman for sex and gets rejected. And there will always be a man who is accepted. Therefore its not WHAT they are doing, but how its being done.

I don't mean to indulge you with all this dating lingo. And I'm definitely NOT a dating coach, I focus primarily on what attracts and what doesn't. I don't really give a shit about dates.

For where you're at right now. I recommend this read to almost everyone I meet online.
It will help take a lot of questions you have right now about why she broke up with you, and why you're feeling like shit, and turn them into a very easy to understand list of concepts and rules.

I will post it in the next post, read it, and if you have any questions feel free to pm. If this whole dating thing is too much for you, maybe cause you have other more dominant issues in life, thats fine too. But I have a particular weakness for men fresh out of breakups. I've seen guys smiling and making out with women in less than 24 hours out of their break up, and it will work wonders for your self perception and confidence. Or at least to keep moving forward with the social skills.

G/luck!
 
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Relations with women. This isn't integral to the system just some advice I'd like to dispense, which you may find useful in dealing with women. I'm no relationship expert but these have been ideal ways of looking at things in my experience.

15.1 Relationships are really based on attraction. If one partner knows they can do better they will usually treat the other party poorly or not reciprocate the attention. If you are a "5" and want a long lasting relationship that you feel some love in, find another "5" with a compatible personality. Of course, you'll know you can do better (with these skills), but you'll also know they can't.

Less jealousy, insecurity, and overall hidden desire to get someone better. You get with a 3 and you are a 5, and you won't feel much of anything for them in the way of passion and desire, so you'll make them kinda miserable and insecure. You get with a 10 and you'll know you can get another one (with these skills) but your attraction will cause you a rampant level of lust and desire that just isn't reciprocated. That will just make you feel like shit all the time. Kinda the "only people I fall in love with don't love me back" syndrome, so common these days.

15.2 In ANY relationship a good method to avoid pain, mess, and eventual heartbreak is to ALWAYS look at how you are being treated and how the relationship makes you feel. NOT at what you feel for them. To do this gauges the base level of passion and attraction she has to you. At the FIRST discomfort or pain caused by the woman in your life, LEAVE. Make her crawl back and apologize. Following this method will set boundaries that will last. You leave and won't take her calls, and she has to crawl back to you crying the first time she yells at you, holds out sex or hurts you in some way, and there probably wont be a second serving of that dish. It's hard to do, but it's important to your well-being. Jaded? Flighty? No. I'd say smart, as it doesn't drag out something that's gonna end anyway, leaving you hurt worse than if it had ended sooner. " It is far better to resist at the beginning than at the end" - somebody clever.

15.3 If a relationship goes bad, or hurts at all, and is dragging out as "friendship" or such, CUT IT CLEAN and you'll get over it sooner. If you don't it may drag on for a long time, with you getting degraded and rejected. These kinds of relationships drain you in all other areas of life, try to avoid them at all costs, but if you find yourself in one, RUN! "Work it out" with someone new, the next one with a clean slate who hasn't pushed so far into your boundaries yet.

"When women love us, they forgive us everything, even our crimes; when they do not love us, they give us credit for nothing, not even our virtues" - Balzac.

15.4 When you are in the grasp of love and obsession over a girl always ask, "If I could have sex and a relationship (if I wanted one) with the next 10 beautiful women I see, would I forget that I ever knew the one I am with right now?" If yes, you would, you don't love her. You are sex-addicted and probably putting up with way too much shit. Its time to have a showdown with her, unless she's just a fancy of yours or a stranger of course, in that event its time to try to sex her. Also ask yourself when in an LTR or when being just friends, "if I could come and have sex with this woman as frequent as I want, but would lose ALL other activities and conversations with her, would I trade that?" If you would only want her for sex, don't put up with her shit if she's giving you any. Don't waste time with someone you really don't enjoy, when you could be out finding something more enjoyable and compatible, ALONG with sex in that time spent.

15.5 Women sooth issues. A break up from a long term relationship can be murder on your limbic system, self esteem and well being. The main reason for this is that you have mental issues you've learned to deal with. A woman comes along who not only makes your dealing with those issues easier, but quells them altogether. She makes you feel desirable to women, makes you feel like a good lover, makes you feel like someone worthy of love. She leaves, BOOM, you aren't only missing her ability to quell these issues, but NOW have to learn to deal with them and get used to them all over again. Realize this. Use a pain filled break up as an opportunity to recognize and GET RID of these self esteem problems. Don't be a co- dependant, always defining who is important to you by what gaps of yours they can fill (mind out of the gutter people), instead be a complete person (self help jargon I know). Seek the permanent company of people you WANT around you, not NEED around you. Eventually you don't hurt anymore this way.

15.6 Grief as a rebound. OFTEN when you don't want a relationship to end and it does anyway you will hold onto the pain as a means of not accepting it as REALLY over. You fantasize about the other person crawling back begging to be with you, because they've seen the error of their ways. Not a good idea, this only prolongs things, focus on YOU and what she did to "complete you" that needs to be complete on its own by your own rethinking of self esteem, goals and ability to succeed. Remember YOU are physically the same now as before you were ever hurting over this woman, only now you aren't used to being you anymore, you are used to being you AND her together. The electricity in that brain of yours lies, true love is new love, not someone sticking around forever in order to fill each others needs. Romance writers of old are responsible for all the pain you've ever felt over lost love, remember monogamy and commitment, even the word "love" are a 100th as old as man, while sex and short pair bonds are timeless. No one ever killed themselves over losing a sex partner until someone decided co-dependant relationships were some mystical bond that must hurt when severed then told and wrote about it.

Just my thoughts on how to stay happy when it comes to love and relationships, tested, used, and approved by me, myself and I. Once I'm complete emotionally, ill find an emotionally complete woman to attempt a permanent bond with. Til then as temporary as possible hot sexual unions, and a little pain in completing myself through future failed relationships and finally the search for the emotionally complete, "semi attractive" woman looks good to me.

Section 16:
WILLPOWER is all you need in life. As a rule try not to fantasize period, fantasy is what tells your super ego that it has what it wants, because you "id" knows it isn't possible. To purposefully fantasize, visualize and imagine things at length is to also tell the "id" that something isn't possible. You must have some slight visualization of anything to create initial desire, but to actively fantasize will only cause you to see something as impossible in the form of diminished willpower. ACTIONS are SPARKED by thoughts, not carried out by them. Thoughts paralyse action after a while. My one life lesson, WILL to do what YOU want in life is all you need.
 
Ty for that. I dont really care about sex. Im one of those people that has been through so much pain that I just want love. This was my first real girlfriend and im 20. I fall deeply in love and wanna get married from the start haha. im crazy i guess. but although you are correct, what will forever haunt me is that if i hadnt taken the damn pills id be laying in bed with her right now. haha i actually took the pills to have sex with her, i wasnt even able to cause i was just like a dissosiated mess. I didnt care about sex at first but I felt like she did. I just kinda needed love and affection to get through this. Last sort of girlfriend that dumped me cause me to try to kill myself. Now im withdrawing from benzos too. Im not gonna try ot kill myself but dont think I dont wish for death sometimes. Im just afraid that ill be going to hell.
 
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I will reread it again. Idk if youve ever withdrawn from benzos but reading is near impossible., at least retaining anything is. Also im gonna lower my welbutrin under doctor supervision. It is acting like speed on me
 
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my gf broke up with me. life is just wonderful. the pain hasnt even hit me yet. somebody help me
my girlfriend and didn't have the best time while i was in withdrawal. luckily she understood i wasn't myself, but it was still really hard on our relationship
what will forever haunt me is that if i hadnt taken the damn pills id be laying in bed with her right now. haha i actually took the pills to have sex with her
the anxiolysis from benzo+opiates is how i got my girlfriends. i also have social anxiety and aspergers

if only we had chipped :P
 
when does appetite come back? i havent really been able to eat in 5 days
there will be ups and downs with your appetite. i forget if you smoke pot sometimes but that definitely helps, although it can increase anxiety, at times i find it can also decrease it (being a psychedelic, it's unpredictable... you can get an uncomfortable body feeling or an MDMA like super-healthy state of mind)

what was even worse than no appetite, was the no motivation or willingness to move my muscles. so when i was granted the mercy of hunger, everything seemed like it'd take way too long to make

buy bread, bananas, etc. and just shove it in your mouth :) with some water if you can't chew good
 
lol qwe thats exactly what i do, bread and bannanas. I hope lyrica withdrawal wont come soon, Im hoping that i can maintain 75/150/150 (doing that when im at zero valium) without getting so much of a tolerance that it is like taking nothing. asperger's sucks man. I have everything anxiety too, at least i do now i had gotten better.
 
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