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Opioids Injecting cloudy solution

jamesBrown said:
and there are risks to not adding heat.
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If you know what you are doing there shouldn't be any risks at all. Drugs shouldn't be contaminated. Additionally, you can use preservatives within the solution to ensure that bacteria won't grow in it. If you are working with impure drugs (not pure cocaine, not pure meth, etc.) then you can also use a micron filter (0.22um will remove all bacteria).
 
Captain.Heroin said:
If you know what you are doing there shouldn't be any risks at all. Drugs shouldn't be contaminated. Additionally, you can use preservatives within the solution to ensure that bacteria won't grow in it. If you are working with impure drugs (not pure cocaine, not pure meth, etc.) then you can also use a micron filter (0.22um will remove all bacteria).
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I understand your thinking that people should be safe with what they put in there body, and they should not take contaminated drugs, and this and that etc....I think the same way, I agree with you....

...but, thats not how the real world works....your style of thinking and reasoning is too utopian. Life isnt like that....there ARE contaminated drugs all over the place and people are injecting them all the time. And most drug addicts wouldnt give a penny for a micron filter because they would rather buy more drugs.....And since this is the way the real world is...it reduces harm too tell these people that cooking your drugs before injecting them can kill alot of bacteria....it may not be an ideal situation, and maybe these people should be using micron filters and injecting drugs they are 100% sure are not contaminated, but it simply doesnt work that way.

As long as addicts are injecting drugs that might be contaminated(and probably are) I think its a good idea to tell them ways to reduce harm.

Along with telling people to inject only after using a micron filter, and only use sterile equipment, and only use a needle once, etc....I will also tell them that if they choose not to listen to all of that advice, atleast cook your heroin, or your meth before injecting it so that some bacteria can be killed....reducing the probable harm for that person.
 
jamesBrown said:
I understand your thinking that people should be safe with what they put in there body, and they should not take contaminated drugs, and this and that etc....I think the same way, I agree with you....

...but, thats not how the real world works....your style of thinking and reasoning is too utopian. Life isnt like that....there ARE contaminated drugs all over the place and people are injecting them all the time. And most drug addicts wouldnt give a penny for a micron filter because they would rather buy more drugs.....And since this is the way the real world is...it reduces harm too tell these people that cooking your drugs before injecting them can kill alot of bacteria....it may not be an ideal situation, and maybe these people should be using micron filters and injecting drugs they are 100% sure are not contaminated, but it simply doesnt work that way.

As long as addicts are injecting drugs that might be contaminated(and probably are) I think its a good idea to tell them ways to reduce harm.

Along with telling people to inject only after using a micron filter, and only use sterile equipment, and only use a needle once, etc....I will also tell them that if they choose not to listen to all of that advice, atleast cook your heroin, or your meth before injecting it so that some bacteria can be killed....reducing the probable harm for that person.
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I don't agree with the notion that you should heat your IV shots though. Especially with a drug like meth, that comes in a crystalline form. It will dissolve very easily in water at room temperature. Missing a shot of meth on its own is painful, if the solution was heated up I can only imagine the pain being worse.

Drugs that are cut (like cocaine or heroin) will have a harder time to dissolve and filter correctly if it is heated up (depending on the type of cut). Encouraging cut to dissolve in a solution is also not the best idea.

Finally I think if there is probable harm within using drugs, I think it's up to the individual using the drugs to take a step back, and consider quitting, or using another ROA.
 
I guess its up to the individual to decide if they want to risk dissolvng more cut by heating up the solution and killing bacteria, or not heating it up and gettting less cut in the solution while not killing off any bacteria at all. Looks to me like a trade off.

All i know is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the thousands and thousands of heroin shots I did over the past few years, I cooked until boiling point. And I never once got an infection. Nor have I had any problems or side effects with injecting "cut" or any other substances into my veins.

But you are right about the fact you dont need to cook it, and cooking it will dissolve more cut.

But I am also right that cooking it kills alot of the bacteria that is inevitably in most of the street drugs people buy and inject.

Like I said....trade off.....personal choice.
 
jamesBrown said:
I guess its up to the individual to decide if they want to risk dissolvng more cut by heating up the solution and killing bacteria, or not heating it up and gettting less cut in the solution while not killing off any bacteria at all. Looks to me like a trade off.

All i know is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the thousands and thousands of heroin shots I did over the past few years, I cooked until boiling point. And I never once got an infection. Nor have I had any problems or side effects with injecting "cut" or any other substances into my veins.

But you are right about the fact you dont need to cook it, and cooking it will dissolve more cut.

But I am also right that cooking it kills alot of the bacteria that is inevitably in most of the street drugs people buy and inject.

Like I said....trade off.....personal choice.
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Likewise, I have also done thousands of shots of many different drugs, and haven't had any infections, abscesses, collapsed veins, cotton fever/dirty hits, or anything like that. I didn't need to heat shots to prevent injection complications.

It is a choice that is up to the user, I just choose not to. I think it's a better idea to avoid doing so, but that's just my opinion.
 
James have you ever seen someone heat a shot of really good cocaine?totally ruins it.I agree with captain,you are only doing harm when heating shots.a lot of street drugs are cut,so you're dissolving cuts,potentially destroying drugs to kill a little bacteria,I'm sure there would be a lot of dead junkies out there if a majority of street drugs had seriously harmful or potentially deadly bacteria.don't heat shots of anything,ever unless its tar heroin.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I take it you didn't bother to visit the link I posted. Go ahead and do that.
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sorry if i offended you, i did go to the link but i didn't want to do a lot of reading, so i just glanced at the pics and skimmed maybe the first paragraph. I'll visit the link now though. thanks for directing me to such a comprehensive overview of these filters.
 
OntarioGuy said:
James have you ever seen someone heat a shot of really good cocaine?totally ruins it.I agree with captain,you are only doing harm when heating shots.a lot of street drugs are cut,so you're dissolving cuts,potentially destroying drugs to kill a little bacteria,I'm sure there would be a lot of dead junkies out there if a majority of street drugs had seriously harmful or potentially deadly bacteria.don't heat shots of anything,ever unless its tar heroin.
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First of all.....ALOT of bacteria is killed by boiling a water solution.

Second, I personally have cooked a shot of really good cocaine....and it did not totally ruin it.....in fact, if anythign, it worked better.....definitely not ruined.

I guarantee you that I have never "destroyed drugs" by heating my shots.

I always felt the high I expected if not more, and it does kill alot more bacteria than your willing to admit.

If you do research on MANY of the most common bacteria that may be lurking in street drugs....you will see that 99% of them get killed off at waters boiling temperature.
 
guys can the kidneys filter out some binders? what % of binders injected remain in the blood stream? how much binders are in a 2mg tablet of hydromorphone? Do any of you know the answer to any of these questions? If 100% of all binders remain in the blood stream and then collect in the lungs, i feel really scared and stupid.. 100 pills is a lot of powder. it all stemmed from an erowid experience vault where the user said that dilaudid didn't need to be filtered. then i posted the question on webMD and didn't get much of a response, so i kept doing it. i just hope my lungs don't come back with white stuff all over them, then i'll have some explaning to do, i'll lose my RX, and i'll have damaged my lungs permanantly. this was really not my finest hour.
 
OH MY F*CKING GOD!!!

Please, dude, micron-filter your solutions!!! If you don't even cotton-filter, that's just crazy. Do you want to die? Even when filtered with cotton (even when filtered 10 times with cotton!), it's dangerous as hell to inject the solution.

The only safe way to inject is to micron filter the solution. Pills MUST be micron filtered. I do it with heroin/crack/coke too, doesn't hurt, so it can only help.
 
Well there are a shitload of fillers in a 2 mg dilly,the whole pill probably weighs 200 mg's at least,and 2 mg's of that is Hydromorphone.I personally never liked the 2's,too much powder too work with.and James,if you wanna heat your shots I can't stop you and I'm not gonna argue about it with you,let's just agree to disagree and drop it. Edit:OP I noticed you said you read dilaudid pills didn't need to be filtered...that was the name brand pills 30-40 years ago.and also you don't have to tell your doc you were banging your script to have a chest x-ray.just get it done and go from there.
 
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this thread is a fail anti biotics can kill bacteria no magic pill to kill binders.

dont shoot pills just go buy dope etc and use the extra money and get a filter.

IV just isnt worth it. at least for me. glad im off all the shit so i dont have to worry about.

MJ ftw.
 
I agree with all of you saying that he needs to atleast micron filter his solution and maybe even quit shooting pills alltogether......but I know that if I were in his situation(especially if it were me a couple years ago) I would keep on shooting my pills....i might get a micron filter but probably only if it was REALLY easy to do....thats how addicts are sometimes....I didnt care.

Also, ive shot MANY MANY pills as well and never once used a micron filter, and I have had no complications as of yet...you would think that after a few years atleast some symptoms would appear if I had done serious damage.......

....what im sayin is, yes, tell him to micron filter and how to be safe, but dont scare him.
It is possible to not micron filter a pill shot and not die.(im not reccomending it, im just saying its not as bad as some of you make it sound) Some of you people are acting like he twisted the barrel, put a gun to his head, and pulled the trigger.

"OH MY F*CKING GOD!!!

Please, dude, micron-filter your solutions!!! If you don't even cotton-filter, that's just crazy. Do you want to die?"

Thats a little extreme....I know from lots of experience...

...but please dude, do your best to filter your solutions properly to the best of your ability, and be aware of the possible consequences of injecting a solution that came from a pill. Just be safe and smart. :)

*Maybe do a little reading on micron filtering(im pretty sure theres a megathread for it on BL)
 
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That's not extreme. Shooting dilaudid without a micron filter is just crazy. Just hold your loaded rig into the light and pull the plunger slightly up and down (about 2mm). Then come back and tell me again that shooting pills without micron filtering the solution isn't dumb as hell.

Heroin, coke, ok... that's ok if only cotton filtered. But pills, OMG... NO! When you want to shoot pills, micron filters are a must have. They are more important than the drug itself. When I don't have micron filters at home, I don't IV pills. Simple as that. I'd stay with snorting or eating. Stay safe. Don't waste your life just because of a rush that lasts for 5-60 seconds. Your life lasts for maybe 50-100 years.
 
sweetstufflover said:
That's not extreme. Shooting dilaudid without a micron filter is just crazy. Just hold your loaded rig into the light and pull the plunger slightly up and down (about 2mm). Then come back and tell me again that shooting pills without micron filtering the solution isn't dumb as hell.

Heroin, coke, ok... that's ok if only cotton filtered. But pills, OMG... NO! When you want to shoot pills, micron filters are a must have. They are more important than the drug itself. When I don't have micron filters at home, I don't IV pills. Simple as that. I'd stay with snorting or eating. Stay safe. Don't waste your life just because of a rush that lasts for 5-60 seconds. Your life lasts for maybe 50-100 years.
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Its MUCH safer to micron filter your pills but its NOT crazy if you dont...its just an unwise personal health choice(just like reusing your needles).....and in the long run, it can cause serious damage.

Ive done it PLENTY of times and I AM NOT CRAZY....I just made stupid decisions that luckily didnt result in any serious harm....and since its possible to do that without resulting in serious harm....calling someone crazy for choosing to do it is rediculous and seems to me like a scare-tactic.

Just be honest with these people and tell them its MUCH safer to use a micron filter when shooting pills but dont scream at them, yelling that there crazy!!! if they dont use a micron filter....because there not crazy....there just making a poor choice. Dont scare them, give them the info thats correct, and let them make there own choices....you choose to ALWAYS micron filter your pills, good for you, thats a good choice.....but dont call other people who dont, "crazy!!".
ITS REDICULOUS......and extremely rude.
 
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Let's try to get along everybody. We can civilly disagree, but let's try to keep a positive vibe in here.

I think the most important thing when injecting pills, is to be aware of all inactive ingredients, and to effectively filter them out. Some inactive ingredients can be more hazardous/dangerous to inject than others, so it's good to do research on which ones are water soluble, which ones aren't water soluble (or hardly water soluble), and it's also good to look at specific inactive ingredient's particle sizes.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Let's try to get along everybody. We can civilly disagree, but let's try to keep a positive vibe in here.

I think the most important thing when injecting pills, is to be aware of all inactive ingredients, and to effectively filter them out. Some inactive ingredients can be more hazardous/dangerous to inject than others, so it's good to do research on which ones are water soluble, which ones aren't water soluble (or hardly water soluble), and it's also good to look at specific inactive ingredient's particle sizes.
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^^^^PERFECT

In general...

if possible...ALWAYS micron filter.(your not crazy if you dont).

also...be aware of where you get your drugs, what is in them, and what the best way of putting them into your body is.

Do the best you can to be safe and don't feel like a crazy person if you don't fit the standards of others.
 
In light of the fact that many people don't do the sort of research I mentioned earlier, I am thinking of creating a thread concerning pill/tablet/capsule formulations, their inactive ingredients, and the statistics on their water solubilities/particle size.

I think that someone else had this idea previously but I am not sure if this was ever undertaken.
 
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