Opioids Injecting cloudy solution

[jamesBrown]

Okay okay, I'm sorry. I didn't call anyone "crazy". I speak German, and my English isn't perfect. I want to say that "shooting pills without micron-filtering" is crazy, not the person who does it. The person who does that is careless, that's all.

For example:
You have some OC's (the good old ones), and you have syringes. You want to shoot them, but you don't have a micron filter. But you shoot them, because you want that 5sec rush. That is careless in my opinion. You risk your life because of a rush. I'd just eat them then. I've never eaten my prescribed oxycontins, though. I've always shot them. Only snorted them 2 times, because I had no syringes.

Shooting pills without a micron filter is extremely dangerous. When you shoot pills for a decade without a micron filter and don't die or lose a limb, it doesn't mean that you're safe and you don't have done damage to your body that you'll see in 20 years (for example, some inactives stick to your heart valves etc.).

You can die because of one oxy/dilaudid shot that's only cotton-filtered. You can get strokes, infarcts... and simply die from it.

I just want people to think about it, and be a lot more safe with micron filters. It's really worth it.

Now your actually acting reasonable. But if you say that the act of injecting pills without micron filtering is crazy...then that, by default, makes whoever does that, crazy...which means you ARE calling people crazy for doing that.
So why dont you just fucking admit its not crazy, just a bad decision....its that simple. There are ALOT of bad decisions going on out there but we dont call people crazy for almost all of them....so why start now?

Second of all, HAVE YOU EVER SHOT UP OXY????....It is DEFINITELY more than a 5 second rush. WAAAAAAAY more. I would say the actual orgasmic rush lastd for about 15 minutes....than the beautiful high lasts for a good 4-6 hours.

And yes its possible to do serioous damage to yourself when shooting pills that arent filtered properly(or even when they are filtered properly)...but the point is that you also MIGHT NOT do damage so dont treat people like there crazy(no matter how many times you try to say that THEY arent crazy its just what there doing thats crazy)...your still treating these people like there crazy. And they may not do any damage to themselves...

...so the right thing to do would be to tell them the possible damage of shooting unfiltered pills, and let them chooose what to fucking do with there bodies.....And quit judging them and there actions in a harsh way that may have a negative impact on someone.

Harm reduction means guiding people to make the right, healthy choices...if they choose otherwise....LEAVE THEM ALONE, ITS THERE GODDAMN BUSINESS.

 

[dokomo]

Now your actually acting reasonable. But if you say that the act of injecting pills without micron filtering is crazy...then that, by default, makes whoever does that, crazy...which means you ARE calling people crazy for doing that.
So why dont you just fucking admit its not crazy, just a bad decision....its that simple. There are ALOT of bad decisions going on out there but we dont call people crazy for almost all of them....so why start now?

Second of all, HAVE YOU EVER SHOT UP OXY????....It is DEFINITELY more than a 5 second rush. WAAAAAAAY more. I would say the actual orgasmic rush lastd for about 15 minutes....than the beautiful high lasts for a good 4-6 hours.

And yes its possible to do serioous damage to yourself when shooting pills that arent filtered properly(or even when they are filtered properly)...but the point is that you also MIGHT NOT do damage so dont treat people like there crazy(no matter how many times you try to say that THEY arent crazy its just what there doing thats crazy)...your still treating these people like there crazy. And they may not do any damage to themselves...

...so the right thing to do would be to tell them the possible damage of shooting unfiltered pills, and let them chooose what to fucking do with there bodies.....And quit judging them and there actions in a harsh way that may have a negative impact on someone.

Harm reduction means guiding people to make the right, healthy choices...if they choose otherwise....LEAVE THEM ALONE, ITS THERE GODDAMN BUSINESS.

This isn't semantics 101.

Everyone knows that injecting pills (or anything not sterile, for injection) is incredibly stupid and dangerous. That's a fact.

 

[sweetstufflover]

Now your actually acting reasonable. But if you say that the act of injecting pills without micron filtering is crazy...then that, by default, makes whoever does that, crazy...which means you ARE calling people crazy for doing that.
So why dont you just fucking admit its not crazy, just a bad decision....its that simple. There are ALOT of bad decisions going on out there but we dont call people crazy for almost all of them....so why start now?

Second of all, HAVE YOU EVER SHOT UP OXY????....It is DEFINITELY more than a 5 second rush. WAAAAAAAY more. I would say the actual orgasmic rush lastd for about 15 minutes....than the beautiful high lasts for a good 4-6 hours.

And yes its possible to do serioous damage to yourself when shooting pills that arent filtered properly(or even when they are filtered properly)...but the point is that you also MIGHT NOT do damage so dont treat people like there crazy(no matter how many times you try to say that THEY arent crazy its just what there doing thats crazy)...your still treating these people like there crazy. And they may not do any damage to themselves...

...so the right thing to do would be to tell them the possible damage of shooting unfiltered pills, and let them chooose what to fucking do with there bodies.....And quit judging them and there actions in a harsh way that may have a negative impact on someone.

Harm reduction means guiding people to make the right, healthy choices...if they choose otherwise....LEAVE THEM ALONE, ITS THERE GODDAMN BUSINESS.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Sorry again. I usually have the same opinion like you, but when it comes to dangers of injecting pills because of no micron-filtering being performed, I'm a little emotional and don't act that rational, though telling the right things, but too emotional. I was taken to hospital because of two heart-attack like symptom cases (once because of too much coke, once because of an infarct in my lungs because of unproperly filtered oxycodone-morphine-cocaine-flunitrazepam shots that I did). My best friend was taken to hospital because of unproperly filtered solutions. I know what can happen, so I'm a little bit emotional and want to save people from the same shit that happened to me.

Excuse me, please. The thought of my posts was a good one, although I may have been a little bit unfriendly. Sorry.

 

[OntarioGuy]

Lol....15 minute rush from IV oxy?yeah right,its (small) rush is nothing like a dilaudid rush for example.

 

[sweetstufflover]

I always shoot oxycodone, it's my DOC. And I know how oxy feels when IVed. The rush doesn't last long, after 10 seconds, it fades into this nice buzz that lasts for about 4 hours. After 6 hours, withdrawals start.

Oxy feels good, but it lacks a little bit strenght. Heroin for example has so much punch to it, like morphine. Hydromorphone has that punch too. Oxycodone has a great "rush-quality", but it's not that powerful. I hope you get what I want to say.

 

[OntarioGuy]

^I get you for sure,I agree that IV oxy definitely lacks the "umph!"that you get from IV morphine and its derivatives.

 

[jamesBrown]

I always shoot oxycodone, it's my DOC. And I know how oxy feels when IVed. The rush doesn't last long, after 10 seconds, it fades into this nice buzz that lasts for about 4 hours. After 6 hours, withdrawals start.

Oxy feels good, but it lacks a little bit strenght. Heroin for example has so much punch to it, like morphine. Hydromorphone has that punch too. Oxycodone has a great "rush-quality", but it's not that powerful. I hope you get what I want to say.

WOW...i must be different cuz IV oxy feels even better than IV heroin sometimes...definitely better than IV morphine or dilaudid.

Also, the rush lasts ALOT longer than 10 seconds....probably a good 5-10 minutes for me....I guess im just lucky. And im definitely not withdrawing after only 6 hours. Even when I was a $200/day IV heroin user I didnt get withdrawals that quickly.

*IM talking about a 80 mg shot of oxycodone on average.**

 

[gibby_420]

WOW...i must be different cuz IV oxy feels even better than IV heroin sometimes...definitely better than IV morphine or dilaudid.

Are you kidding me?

Oxy dosn't even come close to heroin or hydromorphone when IV'd.

 

[jamesBrown]

Sometimes....but sometimes its waaaaay better. Atleast for me....everyones different I guess.

 

[gibby_420]

To each their own.

 

[sweetstufflover]

You have to inject oxycodone like this:
Don't remove the tourniquet before pushing the plunger down, but after that! All the 1-3ml's of oxycodone solution will rush into your brain at once, thus procuding a great experience and intesifying the rush a lot. It's 5 times more intense like this. I always do it like this! When IVed like other drugs, meaning that you remove the tourniquet before shooting, oxycodone is pretty weak. SWIM usually prepares 160mg oxy at once, two shots. 80mg per shot. He also IVed 160mg oxy at once. That's pretty intense, whether with or without tourniquet. But heroin is by far much more stronger, it has more punch, but oxy has more "rush-quality". Morphine is strong, but low-quality in my opinion. Hydromorphone has the high-quality of oxycodone, but the punch of heroin and morphine. Great combination! I wonder what oxymorphone feels like. Must be great. I hope that I can get my hands on it sometime in the future. Here in Europe, we don't have oxymorphone. It's not available. Not as a pharma-drug, not on the black market. I'd do a lot for some OPANA ER's.

The best shot I ever shot was a shot containing 80mg of oxycodone, 0,1g of 15% heroin, 20mg morphine, 2mg of flunitrazepam and 50mg of 86% cocaine. That was so intense and so great, I nearly pissed and shat my pants. It was the best feeling I've ever experienced. If I had coke again. DAMMIT!!! And some benzos... yes... and heroin. Don't need the morphine though.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

That's not safe, because the added pressure can burst the vein (leaving your shot in the subcutaneous area).

 

[OntarioGuy]

WOW...i must be different cuz IV oxy feels even better than IV heroin sometimes...definitely better than IV morphine or dilaudid.

Also, the rush lasts ALOT longer than 10 seconds....probably a good 5-10 minutes for me....I guess im just lucky. And im definitely not withdrawing after only 6 hours. Even when I was a $200/day IV heroin user I didnt get withdrawals that quickly.

*IM talking about a 80 mg shot of oxycodone on average.**

IM talkin 160-200 mg shots of oxycodone.that doesn't even come close to the rush from 160-200 mg's of morphine IV,or 30 mg's of hydromorphone
IV.yes oxy is a decent drug,and I've maintained on it,but many,like 9/10 junkies I bet would choose morphine or its derivatives for IV use over an equally potent IV oxy injection as it simply lacks the classic opiate/opioid rush.if you're going too take the risk of injecting pills,do it with a pill containing a drug with a powerful rush at least.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Likewise, I have also done thousands of shots of many different drugs, and haven't had any infections, abscesses, collapsed veins, cotton fever/dirty hits, or anything like that. I didn't need to heat shots to prevent injection complications.

It is a choice that is up to the user, I just choose not to. I think it's a better idea to avoid doing so, but that's just my opinion.

What is it they say? Pride comes before a fall? I think you have just been very, very lucky over the years. You're also very fortunate to not have to rely on the basic heroin that we get in the UK & Europe - try breaking that down without any heat. It's bad enough having to acidify the gear first, but at least cooking it does serve to kill some of the bacteria which may be present. You seem to think that micron filtering is the answer to a lifetimes trouble free mainlining. However, there is only so many times a vein can be punctured without suffering permanent damage. I don't know how long you've been doing it so I can't comment about yourself, but I don't know anyone who has regularly I.V'd for more than 3 years without some form of complication (though again this is probably more related to the use of citric acid over here - it's about time our government woke up to the fact that if they are serious about harm reduction they should prescribe more diamorphine hydrochloride). I would say that in the UK the average time from starting I.V.ing to being forced to use the femoral vein because all others have collapsed is only 3 years. Also, micron filtering probably removes most bacteria, but it doesn't remove viruses. Finally, the vast majority of junkies don't have the means to even obtain micron filters in the first place, and if they did they still wouldn't have a clue what to do with them. I seriously hope your success continues, but really it's only a matter of time....

 

[OntarioGuy]

^that sucks man,must be the citric.I've shot pills (mainly Ms Contin!)for over 2 years and had 3 day coke sessions,and my arm veins are ready to go right now.and those are the only veins I have used.the only abcess I've ever had was from IV diazepam vials.I've shot K,and ritalin and methamphetamine.Oxycodone pills and instant release Morphine formulations.homemade extractions from time released pills.like I said always in my arm veins.rotated sites and used antibiotic cream after stimulate sessions.not a day went by in the last 2 years that a needle didn't go in my arm at least 3 times.and I could do a shot in any of my arm veins right now.

 

[jamesBrown]

IM talkin 160-200 mg shots of oxycodone.that doesn't even come close to the rush from 160-200 mg's of morphine IV,or 30 mg's of hydromorphone
IV.yes oxy is a decent drug,and I've maintained on it,but many,like 9/10 junkies I bet would choose morphine or its derivatives for IV use over an equally potent IV oxy injection as it simply lacks the classic opiate/opioid rush.if you're going too take the risk of injecting pills,do it with a pill containing a drug with a powerful rush at least.

Your missing my point....to ME, shooting oxy feels better than shooting morphine, ect...maybe not for 9 out of 10 addicts...but for ME it does feel better....I get a more "classic" opiod rush from it....and its stronger. Everyone is different and responds to drugs differently. I was simply saying that I get a better rush from oxy than most other opiates, most of the time.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

^that sucks man,must be the citric.I've shot pills (mainly Ms Contin!)for over 2 years and had 3 day coke sessions,and my arm veins are ready to go right now.and those are the only veins I have used.the only abcess I've ever had was from IV diazepam vials.I've shot K,and ritalin and methamphetamine.Oxycodone pills and instant release Morphine formulations.homemade extractions from time released pills.like I said always in my arm veins.rotated sites and used antibiotic cream after stimulate sessions.not a day went by in the last 2 years that a needle didn't go in my arm at least 3 times.and I could do a shot in any of my arm veins right now.

Yeah, you're right - shooting with water solubles is definitely better. I used to shoot phet for years, often in the same place and on a run probably 10 times or more a day and often with rigs that had been used up to a dozen times, and never had problems. But when I started on H with citric, after 2 years all my main veins were fucked (except my femoral, jugular & dick - which are places I'd never go)...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I seriously hope your success continues, but really it's only a matter of time....

I think if the first few thousand injections I have done left my veins intact, and I continue to use new 31 G needle tips every time, then it's not really a matter of time. Having good IV technique and using a new 31G needle tip every time makes a huge difference.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I think if the first few thousand injections I have done left my veins intact, and I continue to use new 31 G needle tips every time, then it's not really a matter of time. Having good IV technique and using a new 31G needle tip every time makes a huge difference.

Wow, I wish I had your veins......

 

[dmcheatw]

just as an update... i do have symptoms of lung damage, i cough up a dark mucus, only very tiny amounts, and usually when I wake up in the morning, but it is there. I'm always congested anyway (in my sinuses from excessive use of mositurizing eye drops among other things) so I didn't notice at first, but over the past week it is becoming obvious... it's the sort of mucus that you get if you are sick, only i'm not sick, and it's very tiny amounts. on the plus side breathing seems to be normal though even with activity. not too pleased with myself, but that's how it goes. the important thing with the internet it to read more than one opinion. if i hadn't read an erroneous erowid report i doubt i'd be in this situation.