Opioids Injecting cloudy solution

[dmcheatw]

what can happen if you inject improperly processed pills?

specifically i have generic hydromorphones and I don't know how to process them correctly for injection. The solution is always cloudy, but i hear the drug dissolves completely in water, so it shouldn't have visible particles in it should it? I've simply been crushing the pills thoroughly, then adding water, boiling it for sterility, and injecting it.

also, people say you are supposed to filter pills with a cotton... but i don't understand just how this is done? i've tried just sitting the cotton swab in the spoon, sticking the needle into the ball, and drawing back on the syringe, but most of the liquid stays in the cotton ball now and i feel like I'm wasting the drug.

if your going to respond please don't just tell me I'm an idiot, tell me specifically waht can go wrong by injecting these tiny pill particles into my blood stream?

 

[Flexistentialist]

The particles cause vein damage and eventual collapse. Particles can gather around the heart valves, leading to endocarditis, which is often fatal. Particles can also gather inside the lungs, forming granulomas resulting in emphysaema and other pulmonary complications. Long term use can also result in talc retinopathy, where pill fragments end up lodged inside the eye causing vision impairment and blindness. There are plenty of other potential problems too, but I think that list should be a good starting point.

You should at the very least filter them with cotton to reduce some (but not all) of the particles. A micron filter will remove all the dangerous particles.

 

[OntarioGuy]

Well its cloudy cuz you're boiling it.you're dissolving unwanted binders into the mix.visit a needle exchange,they'll give you the right kind of cotton to filter.plus sterile spoons etc.in the mean time you can rip a pea sized piece of cotton from a q-tip,ball it up throw it in the solution and press the syringe to it bevel up,don't stick the needle in the cotton just press the beveled edge to the cotton firmly and draw up.oh and boiling does nothing at all to make it sterile.crush pills,add powder too spoon,add cold water,stir and then filter as I described.enjoy.

 

[dmcheatw]

thanks a whole lot for both of your responses. i've injected probably 90 pills... I haven't had any side effects that I can see yet... will the pill particles eventually get urinated out of my system or are they there forever? I'm definately going to use cotton from now on though lol. That list of side effects is scary. I'm just wondering if the damage I've alreayd done is reversable or not. thanks again for responses.

 

[jamesBrown]

Yea you must have been using WAAY to big of a piece of cotton for it to "hold most of the water"....just a pea sized amount is fine, like he said above, and suck it through there.....you can then pick up the cotton gently and put the needle tip in and pull back on the plunger while squeezing the cotton to get the rest out....

....allthough that isnt sanitary and probably isnt reccomended by any means if your trying to be as sterile as possible.....its just what I have done thousands of times and have had no issues....(hell, if im gonna pay $50 for an OC im gonna get every last drop of it out).

But for the sake of harm reduction, dont do that if your worried about infection at all.

Its best to micron filter(especially pills that leave a cloudy liquid mixture)...and use clean needles, and proper(sterilized) cooking utensils......allthough to be honest most people either dont have access to those items or are not gonna take the time of day to try to acquire them......so, do your best to be safe.

 

[jamesBrown]

The damage you have doen is hard to tell....but for the most part...it takes a LOOOONG time of constant use to cause any truly serious damage....
...yes, it isnt good to inject those particles, but doing it a few times wont kill you.

Ive injected dozens of pills without micron filtering any of the particles out and have had no issues yet but I do recognize that it was not a smart choice and do not reccomend it to you.

But unless youve noticed any odd symptoms like swollen arms or pain in your heart, lungs, or extremeties....chances are your ok for now....but please be careful and do your best to filter properly in the future.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

You want to read about micron filtering.

 

[dokomo]

I also implore you to micron filter. And others may have mentioned, but NEVER boil a pill solution, it only makes more bad stuff dissolve. Boiling does not sterilize anyway (you'd have to maintain a rolling boil for 20 straight minutes to sterilize.)

The binders/fillers from pills can cause some immediate and some eventual problems.

Immediate problems can include blockages in your circulatory system (which can be fatal, but more often cause skin death/tissue necrosis and potential limb loss.)

A more eventual problem is emphysema from the particles collecting in your lungs. Check out this link: http://www.mypacs.net/cases/RITALIN-LUNG-DISEASE-718639.html it provides some x-rays of people with a condition nicknamed "ritalin lung." This was from particle buildup from injecting ritalin pills.

Injecting anything without PROPERLY micron filtering puts you at a large risk for bacterial infection. You're essentially bypassing most of your body's physical immune system defenses and introducing something that isn't sterile. I hope you'll look into it and do that for yourself in the future, we're here to help!

 

[OntarioGuy]

Since I'm on my phone and its really hard for me to edit my last post,I just wanted to add to keep the beveled edge of the spike down.I accidentally wrote bevel up in my last post.so i mean the hole on the needle should be pressed against the cotton.and after 90 unfiltered chalky dilaudid pills. I wouldn't be freaking out completely,but I would get a chest x-ray or something cuz I'm sure you've injected a lot of nasty filler.just wait until you prep a shot with cold water and filter properly,all the crap leftover after in the spoon?that's been going into your bloodstream.

 

[highonlife40]

When I had lots of Kapanol slow release morphine, the best way I found was to crush disolve then let the particles settle out of solution in a thin tube over a few hours or more, I'd use a centrifuge for faster results sometimes if I was at work, but always had a crystal clear solution, I have yet to see a better way of doing any pills.

 

[dmcheatw]

well i have a regular doctor, but i really don't want to go to him and tell him i've been injecting my oxymorphones and need a chest X-ray... but I will if you all think I should. I don't think I have the symptoms of emphysema. I don't know what to do with regards to that, but i have been injecting the filler/binders, to the tune of 100 pills. I wish I had found this website sooner. if I don't have symptoms and my chest x-ray looks good am I in the clear? 100 pills is all i;ve ever injected, and it just started two months ago. after reading up a bit on it it seems emphysema is not reversable . do all the binders go to the lungs or can the kidneys filter some of the junk out? if some of this can be passed through the kidneys then that would be great news, otherwise i don't see how i can't already have at least early stages of emphysema... i mean 100 pills worth of crap is a lot of matter to be injecting. I'm praying that most of the inert filler will dissolve in water, and that maybe in these pills there isn't as much filler as other pills.

can you get micron filters from the pharmacy in the united states or do I need to order them?

thanks again for all the help.

 

[homeydontplaythat]

ontario guy is spot on with proper iv prep with a cotton. if the solution is still cloudy dont shoot it. as a general rule you should have the solution translucent enough so that you can see the numbers on the barrel through the liquid.

i say this over and over:

if you dont have a micron filter, simply lodge several strips of coffee filter into a syringe and backload the solution and squeeze through. it always comes out clean as hell.

 

[dmcheatw]

well the good news is that I am crippled anyway thanks to the wonders of modern medicine, so it's not like this lung damage is going to cause me to have to change my lifestyle.

the bad news is 100 pills worth of filler has to go somewhere, i stupidly thought it would just dissolve and maybe i'd pass it out of my system. i get chest x-rays every couple months as it is, i imagine my doctor will let me know if he sees anything unusual.

thanks especially ontario and james. flex your post was the most thorough in explaining the negative effects. i tried to send all three of you a PM thanking you but i can't do that lol. but really this advice has been invaluable.

 

[pinpoint]

what can happen if you inject improperly processed pills?

 

[jamesBrown]

I also implore you to micron filter. And others may have mentioned, but NEVER boil a pill solution, it only makes more bad stuff dissolve. Boiling does not sterilize anyway you'd have to maintain a rolling boil for 20 straight minutes to sterilize.)

The binders/fillers from pills can cause some immediate and some eventual problems.

Immediate problems can include blockages in your circulatory system (which can be fatal, but more often cause skin death/tissue necrosis and potential limb loss.)

A more eventual problem is emphysema from the particles collecting in your lungs. Check out this link: http://www.mypacs.net/cases/RITALIN-LUNG-DISEASE-718639.html it provides some x-rays of people with a condition nicknamed "ritalin lung." This was from particle buildup from injecting ritalin pills.

Injecting anything without PROPERLY micron filtering puts you at a large risk for bacterial infection. You're essentially bypassing most of your body's physical immune system defenses and introducing something that isn't sterile. I hope you'll look into it and do that for yourself in the future, we're here to help!

This isnt entirely true, boiling DOES sterilize to some extent......there are tons of bacteria that get killed off within seconds of boiling....but there ARE other types of bacteria that take much longer to die....and there are even others that dont die no matter how long you boil it. So it is a good idea to boil a solution before it goes into your veins sometimes....allthough with pills it is NOT a good idea because of the extra binders and fillers you are dissolving...but other solutions that are from the street for example...you might want to boil them for a few seconds(not 20 minutes) before injection.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

can you get micron filters from the pharmacy in the united states or do I need to order them?

I take it you didn't bother to visit the link I posted. Go ahead and do that.

This isnt entirely true, boiling DOES sterilize to some extent......there are tons of bacteria that get killed off within seconds of boiling....but there ARE other types of bacteria that take much longer to die....and there are even others that dont die no matter how long you boil it. So it is a good idea to boil a solution before it goes into your veins sometimes....allthough with pills it is NOT a good idea because of the extra binders and fillers you are dissolving...but other solutions that are from the street for example...you might want to boil them for a few seconds(not 20 minutes) before injection.

In the interest of harm reduction, it's better not to inject a solution if it is possibly contaminated with bacteria (i.e. there's no point in boiling it, there are more effective ways to prevent contamination).

 

[jamesBrown]

I take it you didn't bother to visit the link I posted. Go ahead and do that.



In the interest of harm reduction, it's better not to inject a solution if it is possibly contaminated with bacteria (i.e. there's no point in boiling it, there are more effective ways to prevent contamination).

That is true but what about the hundreds of thousands of people who inject constantly drugs they get off the street...heroin, cocaine, meth..etc....people inject them all the time and "in the interest of harm reduction" its better that they know that boiling the solution for a couple seconds before injection WILL get rid of some of the bacteria(causing less HARM)....and since most of those drugs arent in pill form they will not be further dissolving any fillers or binders into the solution.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

That is true but what about the hundreds of thousands of people who inject constantly drugs they get off the street...heroin, cocaine, meth..etc....people inject them all the time and "in the interest of harm reduction" its better that they know that boiling the solution for a couple seconds before injection WILL get rid of some of the bacteria(causing less HARM)....and since most of those drugs arent in pill form they will not be further dissolving any fillers or binders into the solution.

You should never heat solutions containing heroin, cocaine, or meth. All can be effectively IV'd without adding heat.

 

[jamesBrown]

They can...but adding heat, like I said, kills some bacteria.

 

[jamesBrown]

There are risks to adding heat, and there are risks to not adding heat.