Indoor vs. Outdoor

[Blowmonkey]

If you grow on the same spot twice in a row, it's depleted and needs to be amended. It's generally a good thing to inspect and amend the soil you're going to grow in anyways. Structure of the soil and all the available nutrients/other additives play a big role in overall quality indeed.

I didn't grow them under glass, just open air. In my opinion, true outdoor weed isn't grown in greenhouse or blacking them out to induce a 12/12 outside early in the season when the sun is at it's strongest. I just want them to grow and finish early without too much human intervention, especially in guerilla plots it's just not feasible to apply those kind of tactics.

I'm too lazy for that anyways. :D

 

[Artificial Emotion]

If you grow on the same spot twice in a row, it's depleted and needs to be amended. It's generally a good thing to inspect and amend the soil you're going to grow in anyways. Structure of the soil and all the available nutrients/other additives play a big role in overall quality indeed.

I didn't grow them under glass, just open air. In my opinion, true outdoor weed isn't grown in greenhouse or blacking them out to induce a 12/12 outside early in the season when the sun is at it's strongest. I just want them to grow and finish early without too much human intervention, especially in guerilla plots it's just not feasible to apply those kind of tactics.

I'm too lazy for that anyways. :D

I don't think I really was clear about what I meant. I meant if finding a new spot, after cultivation you should be able to grow without any ammendment from the start. Of course, ammending from the start is wise and is what I do myself. I'm just helping define what good soil is in terms anyone can undertand. If you grow again, of course what you said applies, but I would use crop roation as well and would try not to grow twice in a row in the same soil.

In my opinion weed grown in the natural sunlight in natural soil is outdoor enough to be considered an outdoor grow for all intents and purposes in this thread IMO.

I know what I'm suggesting might not what you would do in practice, but I'm only really trying to describe what the cornerstone of an outdoor grow, natural sunlight and natural soil can have on a crop if it's allowed to reach it's full potential. If you compromise, then fair enough. But all I'm saying is that your weed has the potential to be much better. I don't go to these lengths necessarily - I'm just making a point. Sorry if I'm not being very clear - I am blazed on SmellyBerry.

 

[TheAzo]

Indoor will by definition be _potentially_ better, because all variables can be controlled.

Same strain grown indoors by a careful grower using the best equipment and methods available should always beat the same strain grown outdoors, though outdoor growing in a suitable climate, assuming the weather is favorable that year, and there aren't any scourges of pests, etc etc should be able to come very close to an ideal indoor grow.

In practice however, neither indoor nor outdoor grows are close to ideal. The care taken in growing, and the luck of the grower w/regards to pests, etc are much bigger factors than whether it was indoor or outdoor.

Knowing nothing other than indoor/outdoor about a sample of weed, indoor is likely to be better, though, because the majority of outdoor grown weed is commercially grown stuff grown and handled very carelessly, while indoor-grown weed takes a greater degree of care to produce anything, and the running costs (electricity) require that the grower make sure that their weed will fetch a decent price.

It's also harder to keep seeds out of outdoor grown weed (who knows if there's a male plant up wind?)...

 

[Artificial Emotion]

First, a greenhouse or polytunnel is considered oudoors by pretty much any gardener. Tell a gardener you're growing indoors and ask him what he thinks you mean. As I said, the reason I consider it outdoors is because of key fundamental differences to indoor weed (natural sunlight, natural soil).

Second, just to be clear certain indoor strains are not suitable for growing in certain outdoor climates.

I can grow superior weed in general (since sometimes it would be unwise to compare a specific indoor strain to a specific outdoor strain) in a greenhouse just as reliably as any indoor weed. By definition in theory this should be better. And my and others' practical experience verifies this theory.

For clarity, regardless of whether you consider greenhouse/polytunnel weed to be outdoor weed or not, I think it would be better to compare weed grown in each method ie in a greenhouse in soil and in compost to guerilla grown weed in soil and compost to indoor weed grown in compost.

Climate of course should also be taken into consideration. If you try and grow a sativa in the arctic you'll get worse results than you would nearer the equator. All things being equal, I firmly believe greenhouse/polytunnel-grown weed, given the right conditions is, in general, superior.

Also, in the UK at least where guerilla weed or hemp isn't endemic, stray male pollen outdoors hardly ever pollinates your females. You're far more likely to seed a crop indoors with males or hermies.

Sorry about the edits (iPod issues).

 

[Blowmonkey]

My backyard is not guerilla, but the same principle applies. And a greenhouse is a greenhouse, don't really see how you could possibly consider growing in a greenhouse to be remotely similar to outdoors. You create an artificial environment, the only thing that's the same is the sun and the possibility of using the full ground.

I haven't actually smoked so much weed grown in greenhouses to really make an educated opinion on the quality of it compared to "regular outdoors" and indoor weed, but I could imagine that, given the right circumstances, it could qualitatively be better than weed grown indoors.

Small greenhouse grows in the Netherlands though aren't really worth it so much imo. The better indoor strains (which usually finish late) need a hell of a lot of care. Humidity is a bitch, same with keeping temperatures up at the end of the season for an optimal grow, it would require big vents and heating. For a small greenhouse the costs aren't really worth it if you're growing for personal use I think, I've seen a bunch of greenhouse grows and the setting up is more trouble than it's worth. You're better off just growing some in the open air, even if the yield is less and the quality reduced.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

My backyard is not guerilla, but the same principle applies. And a greenhouse is a greenhouse, don't really see how you could possibly consider growing in a greenhouse to be remotely similar to outdoors. You create an artificial environment, the only thing that's the same is the sun and the possibility of using the full ground.

My very point is that it's the soil and light that create such better results than weed grown indoors under artificial light, all things being equal. Having a whole spectrum of light which no artificial light source can yet replicate and being able to spread roots meters in diameter, which are able to absorb reserves of almost every nutrient known to be taken in and assimilated by plants and create a unique symbiotic relationship with all the species of protazoa, fungi, bacteria and other soil biology makes all the difference if you can provide glass or plastic enclosures. I think that's something growing under glass and growing in open ground share that growing inside a grow room does not. I think you're missing the point.

I haven't actually smoked so much weed grown in greenhouses to really make an educated opinion on the quality of it compared to "regular outdoors" and indoor weed, but I could imagine that, given the right circumstances, it could qualitatively be better than weed grown indoors.

My point is, I have. The theory suggests growing in the ground and providing natural sunlight, provided you can control factors like relative humidity and temperature (like a greenhouse does!) produces superior weed to your normal indoor stuff grown under HIDs and in containers and the anecdotal evidence is there IMO amongst growers I've had exposure to.

Small greenhouse grows in the Netherlands though aren't really worth it so much imo. The better indoor strains (which usually finish late) need a hell of a lot of care. Humidity is a bitch, same with keeping temperatures up at the end of the season for an optimal grow, it would require big vents and heating. For a small greenhouse the costs aren't really worth it if you're growing for personal use I think, I've seen a bunch of greenhouse grows and the setting up is more trouble than it's worth. You're better off just growing some in the open air, even if the yield is less and the quality reduced.

My point isn't whether it's worth it for you or other people in general (for me i've decided it is). I don't know where you're getting your info from but I have seen very successful grows in the uk in greenhouses so I believe it might be possible in NL. However you'd be the better judge of that than me. Just don't let your bad experiences of others' or your own greenhouse grows in holland cloud your judgement, because I think you could easily be surprised. Hydro grows can be done in greenhouses throughout the summer and winter period in greenhouses in the uk with care and this is my preferred method, but I'm going a bit off topic.

 

[blazelate]

You must not be a good grower indoors if you arent getting good indo..

Most indoor i see is much much higher quality than outdoor. Usually this requires a hydro system with all the bells and whistles (CO2, A/C, ect..)

Im from california, and go to the clubs around LA often. Garuntee you their indoor is way more potent than their outdoor, maybe its out climate? Doubt it though

 

[Blowmonkey]

I think you're missing the point.

Not at all. Greenhouse is simply not outdoors. Weed grown in a greenhouse is not outdoor weed. It's your opinion, but that's all really.

I don't know where you're getting your info from but I have seen very successful grows in the uk in greenhouses so I believe it might be possible in NL.

The biggest cultivation forum in holland. Wietforum.

We have differing opinions. I don't think we'll ever come to a consensus on this, so I'll just drop it.