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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Important question, idiots please dont even bother.

thanks for all the help, i haven't really been able to check this thread...but for those who care, im still alive lol. AND more importantly, sober. withdrawls are not as bad as the depression, im assuming its because ive used up so much of my natural endorphins during my binges that i just need to let my body recuperate. once again, thanks for all the help.

I just wanted to know if it was dangerous to quit cold turkey from a 200 mg a day habit, since its not i feel much less paranoid about it. Did anyone catch my Into the Wild reference? lol great fucking movie, read Walden if you liked that movie, somewhat similar themes, solitude..hatred of industrialist society. PEACE and take it easy.
 
N0 W4RN1NG said:
LMFAO

Ok. I used to be hooked on OC too, at my peak I was doing 4 80s a day(at ONCE), but I got through it and I've been clean for like a year, so take my advice.

1. This is a must. Protein shakes too, because you will not be able to keep anything down for the first week. No chocolate flavor. Usually has caffeine and, at least for me, that really exacerbated anxiety.

2. I tell you what, I've never used loperamide to try to keep w\ds at bay, but I've heard it helps some people. It doesn't really cross the BBB, but if you take alot some people say they can even get a small buzz from it, although they have no tolerance. Worse comes to worse, it will ABSOLUTELY helps with the runs.

3. I used advil but whatever I assume aleve will work just as well if not better.

4. Benzos are a godsend. I hope for your sake you have something long acting and not xanax. I don't really know why you would want to combine 5HTP with them, 5HTP never really did much for me, but even if it did I've never heard of it being used for w\ds. In any case, I don't know who told you it was unsafe to take with benzos but they are dead wrong 5HTP has absolutely no interaction with benzos.

Also, weed is a fucking must. It really helps with the cravings, if I was really obsessing over shit and running through phone numbers in my head I would just take some fat bong rips and suddenly I felt a bit better and just couldn't be fucked to go through the trouble of blowing tons of cash on opes. Start taking a multivitamin too, I feel like that helped me.

OH. and magnesium. Magnesium is an essential part of everyone's diet and most americans have some form of a magnesium deficiency. Low magnesium can lead to impulsive behaviour, irratability, anxiety, etc. I've personally found that taking around 400mg of chelated magnesium a day helps a SHIT TON and even has a calming effect during withdrawal. Make sure it's not mag oxide that shit is worthless.

Something else you might want to consider, I assume you wanted to take 5HTP to help deal with the negative mood and anxiety and shit. I personally think 5HTP sucks. YMMV. However, there is a fantastic herbal antidepressant\anxiolytic\antioxidant called Rhodiola Rosea That I took for a while coming off opes and it really helped me, no doubt about it. It is thought to exert part of it's effects by modulating the beta endorphin system, so it's no surprise it might help in opiate withdrawal. The solgar brand was fairly inexpensive and very effective out of the ones I tried.

5. I used benadryl alot and although I think it made me feel like SHIT in the mornings, a cig would clear it up and it definitely DID help get to sleep, especially mixed with benzos.

6. I have also heard many people praise clonidine but I have nothing personal to contribute.

Last but not least, you really have to fucking want it man. The cravings are too intense to get through "just because it's time to quit". I had alot of external pressures and influences in my life that forced me to realize relapse was simply NOT an option, and yeah I fucked up a few times since then but all in all I'm definitely on the right track.

Good luck my dude.
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thanks alot man, for taking the time out to actually help me out. Cravings do suck, but i think im a very rational person and i can reason my way out of it, hopefully. I know the mental aspect of addiction is the most crucial aspect, the physical withdrawls, even thought are painful, only last a few days to few weeks. the mental part lingers. I have alprazolam(sp?), xanaxs. They helped ALOT when i was trying to sleep. Also, i agree with you about 5 HTP, sucks and is worthless.
 
hey dude! good fucking show with this stuff, you've made it what like 4 days now? You should be turning the corner any time now with the physical shit and the sleeping just getting easier from there on out. We're all pulling for ya. LOL @ the poisonous plants and the bus in alaska, that movie was great!
 
BuckieGoldstein said:
Hey W4RN1NG,

Did you quit COLD TURKEY? Cauz if you did, I bow to you my friend ... you're a fucking GOD!

Buck
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I did, but I was out of money, I had been trying to quit for 6 months but going back and forth, my employers were worried about me because I would show up everyday looking like a realllly scary malnourished mother fucker, my gf was talking about leaving me and doing some kind of intervention, my family was talking about kikcing me out "for my own good" basically it all came to a head one day and I fucking decided I had had it with all the bullshit and I have been pretty clean since. Also, I never used needles, and I hear that that instant gratification makes the cravings way worse.

And OP, glad to hear you're still kicking, keep up the good work man!
 
BuckieGoldstein said:
I did the N/A think back in the late 80's and I heard that lately it's really nothing but court ordered drug users that have no interest in recovery. I remember when the people wanting recovery were damn near 90% of the people in the room ... and that number has gone down to less than 50% ... if it's true in your area, that's a damn shame because you can get some good help in there.
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This is very true for meetings in Yonkers, New Rochelle, and the upper west side. Long Island has some good meetings, but they are far and few between.

This is a major reason I prefer women only meetings. I feel like it removes the aspect of people being there to pick someone up, which is also a big problem in the rooms in my opinion.

I have yet to go further into Westchester, but I plan to in the near future.
 
Personally I think people would be more inclined to give you decent answers if you weren't such a dick about you post. That will get you know where in this area of BL.
SO fuck writing anything I know that could be helpful.
 
Kicking gets harder the more you do it. It's funny in that respect.
I used to cold turkey it years ago off of much bigger habits than I've had in more recent years. The older you get, the less you can tolerate it... at least in my experiences/observations.
 
Agreed. Was a thread on just that very subject a while back. Pretty sure the majority had noted that it really does get harder the more you do it. I could stop any time I wanted to many years ago. Briefly. I mostly avoid strong opies these days and can't imagine how shit going through any real w/d would be now :|
 
Personally I think tapering and switching to tramadol-SR, while taking up clonazepam, and then tapering clonazepam after tapering tramadol would be a good idea. But I guess you've already considered tram, and buprenorphine.

But back to your situation. I see nothing that should be directly hazardous in your plan. The serious thing to look out for is seizures/convulsions (as you obv. know), don't tell yourself you can do it on your own; cause if you start seizing and have no viable/effective relief from that YOU NEED TO MAKE A CALL, to save your life.

Papaverine is a rx pharm that could help, at least with stomach problems (inhibits autonomic muscle cramps/spasms). As the name suggests it's related to your drug of choice, but it has zer0 analgesic/euphoric potential. Experimental: The cough medicine Noscapine might be tried out as a slight relief.


(and I'm obviously writing this in part so that people in similar situations in the future can find this)
 
Pillthrill said:
Personally I think people would be more inclined to give you decent answers if you weren't such a dick about you post. That will get you know where in this area of BL.
SO fuck writing anything I know that could be helpful.
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He's obviously in a shitty mood for even more obvious reasons.

This should be a (if not THE) place to turn to in a situation like his.
 
potatodaddyHater2 said:
Did anyone catch my Into the Wild reference? lol great fucking movie, read Walden if you liked that movie, somewhat similar themes, solitude..hatred of industrialist society. PEACE and take it easy.
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^ haha yeeh man, i got it
that movie was actually pretty epic, kind of ironic that i watched it at school
haha

anyway bro, goodluck with your mission ahead - i daresay it'll be a rough ride
i myself have never really done opiates (no strong ones anyway)
and i hope to keep it that way
=D
 
Just my opinion, but I dont think any opiate addict should quit cold turkey. Being dangerous is probably a slim possibility, but it will likely ruin any ability to function normally, so hopefully you dont have much responsibility, and I dont think anybody should go through the horrible feeling of serious withdraw. I would recommend tapering or using methadone or bupe.

Some people have no choice though, and others can quit no other way.
 
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