Important question, idiots please dont even bother.

[potatodaddyHater2]

Ok, heres the deal. I have been taking opiates recreationally for about 2 to 2.5 years. Dosage gradually increased to about 200 mg a day, for the past month or 2 or 3. Ive decided i need to stop, i have a problem and i know this.
i quit cold turkey, It is 10:23, i have a list. It has been approximately 56 hours since my last dosage, which was 65 mg. Total that day was 145MGs, the day before, over 300. I am scared that quitting so suddenly may cause some sort of dangerous reaction and i might unintentionally wind up killing myself. That it why its serious, and for the people who dont know shit about opiates, please shut up.


here my list.
1.Fluids(water and juice)
2.Immodium AD, loperamide- active ingredient...i heard it works somewhat like methadone, never tried it.
3.aleve-no shit. For body aches and fever.
4.benzos-have a few left.
5-sominex(diphenhydramine)--for sleeping im assuming. I have benzos, thats not a necessity at the moment.
6.Clonidine-i hear it helps ALOT, why thought? what are its chemical properties and how does it react with the drugs i just listed above.

im not a pharmacist, but i am pretty educated on opiates, but still...im only fucking 21. lol help a brother out? im trying to "better myself". lol, no really, please help me if you can, i would really appreciate that. If it has been posted before, im sorry. Every person is different, and also...when i search for "quitting cold turkey vs tapering", which i found a thread on BTW, that shit did not open. IN ANY OF MY 3 BROWSERS, and thus...i had to resort to this. You think i like writing all this crap and waiting for responses? fuck no, just give me the info and thats it. I dont need a list, i have one. Just let me know if my life is in danger, and if mixing those chemicals is hazardous to my health, thats all i wish to know. thanks you for reading this crap.

FOR FRANKIE ONLY.
dont do it. im telling you. dont do it. i will feed your ass some poisonous plants and leave you in a bus, in Alaska.
once again, frankie, i swear if you invade my privacy like u did bens by searching for his username, ill send some meth heads to your house late at night hahaha

 

[potatodaddyHater2]

PS, i took what i found.
Hydrocodone, Oxycodone..but i rarely found OxyContins. So mostly hydros, but ironically my last dosage was OCs.
I dont take codeine, tramadol. I want to take some 5 HTP, but mixing it with benzos is dangerous.

 

[BuckieGoldstein]

After going through this more than once in life, all I can tell you is that the absolute best way to come off of opioids is through controlled - GRADUAL reduction of the drug over time. But man you have to be serious about quitting, otherwise it's too easy to load up for a good high. But if you are serious, you can quit in a week, two or even less if you have the discipline to reduce your dose, accept the depression as a chemical issue and not a personal one, then get yourself to the point where you can just stop.

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

...FOR FRANKIE ONLY.
dont do it. im telling you. dont do it. i will feed your ass some poisonous plants and leave you in a bus, in Alaska.
once again, frankie, i swear if you invade my privacy like u did bens by searching for his username, ill send some meth heads to your house late at night hahaha

LMFAO

Ok. I used to be hooked on OC too, at my peak I was doing 4 80s a day(at ONCE), but I got through it and I've been clean for like a year, so take my advice.

1. This is a must. Protein shakes too, because you will not be able to keep anything down for the first week. No chocolate flavor. Usually has caffeine and, at least for me, that really exacerbated anxiety.

2. I tell you what, I've never used loperamide to try to keep w\ds at bay, but I've heard it helps some people. It doesn't really cross the BBB, but if you take alot some people say they can even get a small buzz from it, although they have no tolerance. Worse comes to worse, it will ABSOLUTELY helps with the runs.

3. I used advil but whatever I assume aleve will work just as well if not better.

4. Benzos are a godsend. I hope for your sake you have something long acting and not xanax. I don't really know why you would want to combine 5HTP with them, 5HTP never really did much for me, but even if it did I've never heard of it being used for w\ds. In any case, I don't know who told you it was unsafe to take with benzos but they are dead wrong 5HTP has absolutely no interaction with benzos.

Also, weed is a fucking must. It really helps with the cravings, if I was really obsessing over shit and running through phone numbers in my head I would just take some fat bong rips and suddenly I felt a bit better and just couldn't be fucked to go through the trouble of blowing tons of cash on opes. Start taking a multivitamin too, I feel like that helped me.

OH. and magnesium. Magnesium is an essential part of everyone's diet and most americans have some form of a magnesium deficiency. Low magnesium can lead to impulsive behaviour, irratability, anxiety, etc. I've personally found that taking around 400mg of chelated magnesium a day helps a SHIT TON and even has a calming effect during withdrawal. Make sure it's not mag oxide that shit is worthless.

Something else you might want to consider, I assume you wanted to take 5HTP to help deal with the negative mood and anxiety and shit. I personally think 5HTP sucks. YMMV. However, there is a fantastic herbal antidepressant\anxiolytic\antioxidant called Rhodiola Rosea That I took for a while coming off opes and it really helped me, no doubt about it. It is thought to exert part of it's effects by modulating the beta endorphin system, so it's no surprise it might help in opiate withdrawal. The solgar brand was fairly inexpensive and very effective out of the ones I tried.

5. I used benadryl alot and although I think it made me feel like SHIT in the mornings, a cig would clear it up and it definitely DID help get to sleep, especially mixed with benzos.

6. I have also heard many people praise clonidine but I have nothing personal to contribute.

Last but not least, you really have to fucking want it man. The cravings are too intense to get through "just because it's time to quit". I had alot of external pressures and influences in my life that forced me to realize relapse was simply NOT an option, and yeah I fucked up a few times since then but all in all I'm definitely on the right track.

Good luck my dude.

 

[Moral Decay]

Ok, heres the deal. I have been taking opiates recreationally for about 2 to 2.5 years. Dosage gradually increased to about 200 mg a day, for the past month or 2 or 3. Ive decided i need to stop, i have a problem and i know this.
i quit cold turkey, It is 10:23, i have a list. It has been approximately 56 hours since my last dosage, which was 65 mg. Total that day was 145MGs, the day before, over 300. I am scared that quitting so suddenly may cause some sort of dangerous reaction and i might unintentionally wind up killing myself. That it why its serious, and for the people who dont know shit about opiates, please shut up.

you mention MGs but not what drug you are taking. what drug are we talking about here? And I wanna comment on those telling you to smoke weed to help with the WDs. Be very careful with this. For me personally weed intensifies withdrawals and sends me into panic mode where only opiates of heavy loads of benzos can bring me out.

 

[Shambles]

I concur on the smoking weed thing. Makes my w/d a thousand times more intense

 

[bi9000]

you mention MGs but not what drug you are taking. what drug are we talking about here?.

PS, i took what i found.
Hydrocodone, Oxycodone..but i rarely found OxyContins. So mostly hydros, but ironically my last dosage was OCs.
I dont take codeine, tramadol. I want to take some 5 HTP, but mixing it with benzos is dangerous.

He mentioned it a post down, i was confused at first too

 

[Sweet P]

I can be an idiot at times, so I guess I'd better not bother replying.

Oops, I just did...

 

[bpayne]

as the diphenhydramine can help for quick sleep in some people, I find that during withdrawals it aggravates the restless leg syndrome of it, so you get to sleep for maybe two hours then wake up drowsy with leg muscles that need flexing every 5 seconds and no sleep in sight. be easy on the diph, take a hot hot hot bath for restless legs, and I know this sounds hard but I've found the best thing for sleep during withdrawals is hard work if you can force yourself to do it, just tire out your body, then you should sleep easily, drink PLENTY of CLEAR fluids, eat lots of chicken broth. best of luck I hope you feel better soon.

 

[BuckieGoldstein]

Last but not least, you really have to fucking want it man. The cravings are too intense to get through "just because it's time to quit". I had alot of external pressures and influences in my life that forced me to realize relapse was simply NOT an option, and yeah I fucked up a few times since then but all in all I'm definitely on the right track.

Hey W4RN1NG,

Did you quit COLD TURKEY? Cauz if you did, I bow to you my friend ... you're a fucking GOD!

Buck

 

[Shambles]

Is there any other way to quit heroin? Gotta pay the piper sooner or later

 

[BuckieGoldstein]

Is there any other way to quit heroin? Gotta pay the piper sooner or later

If you got $15,000.00 to $20,000.00 laying around, you can do the rapid detox method ... which is done under local anesthetic so you don't experience any withdrawals at all! Insurance won't cover it - PERIOD (too easy to re-abuse) ... but it's the only way to come off the H ... make yourself a piggy bank jar or whatever ... and every time you buy a dose ... throw in an equivalent amount of cash in the DETOX jar ... then eventually you'll have the cash and you can enjoy the ride to the finish line!

;-)

Buck

 

[Shambles]

I know two people that have gone the rapid detox route (rich families) and they both said it was actually worse than standard withdrawals. They were both back on the scag within a week too

I did the standard "just fuckin' stop with it" detox. With several years of MMT and bupe treatment. And bonus naltrexone for the final push. Fuck that. Guess it worked though cos I've only used smack very rarely since

 

[morphene]

I just reread this whole thread twice, and even though I know it's too late for the OP as he obviously would know that he's not dead yet - I never saw anyone actually answer his major question. The short answer is no, it's not life threatening to quit cold turkey unless you have other major health problems.

And I'm not sure if the UROD (ultra rapid detox) post was all just tongue in cheek, but if it wasn't you should read up on it from people who aren't selling it. It has a really bad rap in the junkie community, everything from sketchy doctors, seriously poor post wd support and a huge recid rate because of course the real problem is never getting clean it's staying clean. Avoiding acute opiate wds is no way worth 20k unless you literally burn hundies in your fireplace. Hell if someone offered me 20k to go through the experience of kicking again I'd seriously consider it, and I'm not poor. all imo of course.

 

[BuckieGoldstein]

I know two people that have gone the rapid detox route (rich families) and they both said it was actually worse than standard withdrawals. They were both back on the scag within a week too

I did the standard "just fuckin' stop with it" detox. With several years of MMT and bupe treatment. And bonus naltrexone for the final push. Fuck that. Guess it worked though cos I've only used smack very rarely since

OK Shambles ... gotta help me out here ... what is:

1) MMT

2) bube treatment

3) naltrexone

Help a noob out?

 

[BuckieGoldstein]

The short answer is no, it's not life threatening to quit cold turkey.

Although (and not related to this question, but good info for anyone reading this) ... cold turkey from drugs like Xanax when you have a long term and high dose daily habit CAN KILL YOU ... so again ... BE CAREFUL!

And I'm not sure if the UROD (ultra rapid detox) post was all just tongue in cheek, but if it wasn't you should read up on it from people who aren't selling it. It has a really bad rap in the junkie community...

Thank you for that! I actually didn't know that it had such a bad reputation as a treatment out there. I was, as you implied, going strictly off what I read on their web sites / phone calls etc.

I just figured that it probably wasn't "too good to be true" because its so fucking expensive, but it sounds like it actually might be too good to be true and obviously a shit treatment for many people.

ALTHOUGH, I'm sure a 250mg / day Oxycodone habit would do well on the rapid detox since it's not really that big of a habit. Although ... at the same time ... why not just kick it on your own and save the coin, right? Go buy a nice new car for yourself, or a fat down on a nice Benz or somethin ...

Thanks again for correcting me without being a prick about it. It's nice to see tact like that out here in cyberspace.

 

[shoolameet]

I know two people that have gone the rapid detox route (rich families) and they both said it was actually worse than standard withdrawals. They were both back on the scag within a week too

I did the standard "just fuckin' stop with it" detox. With several years of MMT and bupe treatment. And bonus naltrexone for the final push. Fuck that. Guess it worked though cos I've only used smack very rarely since

I agree that maintenance is probably the best way to come off of opiates. It's really hard to be able to pull of any kind of mind over matter; the depression and physical withdrawals are to unbearable more often than not.
Another reason maintenance is good, is that you are forced to check in with someone and you have people sort watching over and helping you with your recovery.

Also, NA meetings and/or some type of rehab program is strongly recommended, because getting clean is extremely hard to do without the support of other people who have gone through what you are going through.

And I also give my hats off to N0 W4RNING for going cold turkey, that's very strong of you to do, especially if you are still clean; but people have to be aware that he is a rare exception and cold turkey is VERY DIFFICULT to do.

And to the OP, no you will not die if you are sticking to standard doses of the stuff on your list.

 

[phatass]

if you think you're in too deep i would head to a doctor, get some sub or methadone... it takes a long time to do... but its worth it

good luck bro

 

[Shambles]

OK Shambles ... gotta help me out here ... what is:

1) MMT

2) bube treatment

3) naltrexone

Help a noob out?

1 - Methadone Maintenance Treatment

2 - Bupe = buprenorphine = Temgesic/Subutex/Suboxone. I was on Subutex which is pure bupe, Suboxone (and Temgesic too, I think) have naloxone (an opioid blocker) added in small amounts too.

3 - An opoid blocker - puts you into instant precipitated withdrawal. And is pure hell so avoid at all costs

And it's not you being a noob, I just talk funny

I would wholeheartedly recommend bupe for anybody wishing to quit heroin - methadone just increases your habit massively and gets you even deeper in the shit with an opioid that's way harder to quit than heroin, in my opinion. Couldn't have done it without bupe.

NA and similar organisations can also be of great help to some. Not my kinda thang at all so avoided them but I have seen a drug counsellor for many years who offers support without expecting or insisting on total sobriety. And doesn't get total sobriety by any stretch :D

 

[BuckieGoldstein]

Also, NA meetings and/or some type of rehab program is strongly recommended

I did the N/A think back in the late 80's and I heard that lately it's really nothing but court ordered drug users that have no interest in recovery. I remember when the people wanting recovery were damn near 90% of the people in the room ... and that number has gone down to less than 50% ... if it's true in your area, that's a damn shame because you can get some good help in there.