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I'm done

dont feel too good today... I did briefly think of copping, but the strange thing is, I just don't want to. I honestly don't think it would make me feel better. I mean yeah it would in some ways - it would take away the physical discomfort and it would make me feel more calm... but along with that I"d have the depression and disappointment that I used again, the worry that I'm going to keep fucking up and never get clean... gone are the days (I think?) where I can just say "fuck it I'm going to use" and have that actually... work. There's things I want to do in my life. At the risk of alienating some people reading this, you know what? I don't want to be a drug addict anymore. I don't want to be that person. I want a nice, normal life - a job, an apartment, someone to love. I want my excitement to be going to the movies or going camping or swimming or whatever. I don't want to be Ms. Counterculture, Against Authority, Got Away With So Much Stuff, Streetwise, ect, anymore. I want a normal life, badly. And I just don't want to do heroin anymore - I KNOW if I use, at the same time I feel better in some ways, I'll feel even worse in others. So at least for today, it doesn't seem worth it. Using is for when I didn't have goals. I have goals now, and using will make those goals harder to achieve.

I guess I just don't want to be that person anymore.

The mood swings suck though. I had an amazing day yesterday, I really did. Any normal person would be like, basking in the afterglow...but I'm down today, and I know its the withdrawal. I have NO energy, I don't feel like doing anything except sitting here, except sitting here is depressing me, lol. I can't win :p

Trying to be positive though. Going to make myself go grocery shopping in a bit, and come home and maybe read a little.

eta: also, the more I think about it, the more I realize that some of this depression may not be withdrawal related completely - some of it just may be the realization that I used because there are things about my life that make me unhappy. Heroin masked all that and allowed me to function. Now that it's gone, it's just like... I'm realizing why it was so hard for me to quit for so long. I NEEDED that dope, to be happy, or at least to maintain. So since I don't want to do dope anymore, I need to change my life so it doesn't make me unhappy. Sounds doable... but the only catch is, the things I want to do take time. In the meantime, while the elements of my life that make me unhappy are still present... that's the hard part. I know what I'm supposed to do is put my head down and put one foot in front of the other and keep trying til I make the necessary changes, but it's hard when you're down like, all the time.

It's so frustrating. I'm down, like I said, even though I had an amazing day yesterday. If I was doing dope, right now I'd be like, listening to music, remembering yesterday while cleaning, ect, or whatever. Happy. But instead I'm down.

K, that's enough typing about how crappy I feel for now.
 
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Don't do it..... I kicked methadone on new years and have been going back and forth between clean time and dope ever since. Every time I relapse. It feels shit..... not only the next day but when I am actually supposed to be "high". I often even find myself crying right after I do it. Then the next day I am craving the dope even though I cried not 2mins after I did the dope the day before. Like what the hell is that all about. Well anyways.... I am only saying this because I am 72hrs clean. It would have been a month if not for 2 days. Not that the time is the most important thing but everytime I think I am finally there(wherever there is?) I use and then I spend the next few days with cravings. If not a full blown relapse.
 
Don't do it..... I kicked methadone on new years and have been going back and forth between clean time and dope ever since. Every time I relapse. It feels shit..... not only the next day but when I am actually supposed to be "high". I often even find myself crying right after I do it. Then the next day I am craving the dope even though I cried not 2mins after I did the dope the day before. Like what the hell is that all about. Well anyways.... I am only saying this because I am 72hrs clean. It would have been a month if not for 2 days. Not that the time is the most important thing but everytime I think I am finally there(wherever there is?) I use and then I spend the next few days with cravings. If not a full blown relapse.

I know you're right. I really do. I know damn well that if I did some I'd get that rush and the relaxation, and I WOULD bask in the relief of it for like 20 mins - I can't lie. But I know once the initial rush wore off I'd just feel sad. And I'd think about the guy I'm seeing and what he'd think if he knew... and how I'm in the thick of withdrawal right now and even one mess up is really gonna mess me up...

PS - good on you for 3 days clean.
 
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hey blue

Jus wanted to say that I admire ur story and keep up the good work!! I too am a girl, mid late 20s and struggling w addiction. I want to say tht I think it's amazing that u found someone and that u don't wanna be 'high' anymore around them!
I think that is so beautiful in a sense

Im in a relationship sorta and I know he's not the one... I have to be high around him or else I can't stand to be around him. I don't know why I bother. I want to be sober but if I'm gonna even atempit it, I need to be home (I live at home)

I guess I stay bc it's like "who else would love me". Like who would love a junkie. The guy I'm sorta with knows about the opiates I do. I also feel like if I have someone I'm not jus a twenty somthing living at home, I'm a twenty Somthin living at home bc I'm not ready to take the 'next step' w my boyfriend.

So it's a viscous cycle. Today, I'm broke so I'll be sober until Friday (payday). And the only thing I have on my side, is that I don't have to go see my stupid bf.

So I jus hope that I can find someone someday that I jus don't wanna get high anymore... I know I have to do it for myself, but it's kinda nice when u have an extra reason :)

Keep up the good fight:)
 
hey blue

Jus wanted to say that I admire ur story and keep up the good work!! I too am a girl, mid late 20s and struggling w addiction. I want to say tht I think it's amazing that u found someone and that u don't wanna be 'high' anymore around them!
I think that is so beautiful in a sense


thank you. Yeah, the high just started to feel like a barrier between me and him, and I didn't like that feeling. Going to see him sober/slightly dopesick really made me realize the difference, because as shitty as I felt physically, it felt so nice not to have that chemical wall between us.

Im in a relationship sorta and I know he's not the one... I have to be high around him or else I can't stand to be around him. I don't know why I bother. I want to be sober but if I'm gonna even atempit it, I need to be home (I live at home)

I guess I stay bc it's like "who else would love me". Like who would love a junkie. The guy I'm sorta with knows about the opiates I do. I also feel like if I have someone I'm not jus a twenty somthing living at home, I'm a twenty Somthin living at home bc I'm not ready to take the 'next step' w my boyfriend.

There are plenty of people out there who would love you. I stayed with a guy far too long for that exact same reason, til I realized that I was wrong, and that he WASNT the only man who would ever love me. I wish I had left years before I ever did. Don't make the same mistake as me - if you know in your heart he's not right for you and he doesn't even make you happy when you're around him, just kick him to the curb. Go find someone who makes you happy, and let him do the same. I can't wait to see my guy, when I drive to go see him I often can't stop smiling. That's how it should be. I settled for less than that for way too long, which was dumb, and it's one of my few real regrets. Value yourself enough to believe you're worthy of the kind of man you want. Back in the day I thought the kind of guy I wanted would never want a girl like me, so I settled for less... but the guy I'm with now knows some of my past, and he likes me anyway. I'm not physically perfect by a long shot, yet the other day he told me I have a beautiful body. You don't have to be perfect to be loved, you just have to love yourself and believe you're worthy of the kind of love you want. Trust me, I am faaaar from perfect, in all ways, lol.

So it's a viscous cycle. Today, I'm broke so I'll be sober until Friday (payday). And the only thing I have on my side, is that I don't have to go see my stupid bf.

So I jus hope that I can find someone someday that I jus don't wanna get high anymore... I know I have to do it for myself, but it's kinda nice when u have an extra reason :)

Keep up the good fight:)

That's true... I agree you have to do it for yourself, but having an extra reason does help. You gotta put yourself out there though, if you want to find someone new :)
 
I finally caught a break - todays dose made me nod a little for almost an hour and then I felt good for a solid 5 hours or so, which is a lot better than it's been. So either they gave me a few extra mgs on accident (I've always wondered how accurate the dispenser is. I mean if my dose is 22 do I get 19 some days, 22 others, occasionally 24...?) or my tolerance is finally decreasing and my body is finally manufacturing a bit of it's own feel good chemicals. I'm glad I fought through my cravings last night.

It's wearing off a bit now, but slowly. I've got some cleaning to do and then it'll be time for some dinner and tv, and then bed, and then another day, in which hopefully I'll feel even better than today. Hoping I can feel good enough by friday to ask to have my dose lowered to 20 on monday, but we'll see.
 
Methadone can be really strange sometimes. I was on 180mgs for years. I started decreasing my dose 1mg per day and once I reached about 30mgs I would be sick in the evenings but uncontrollably high in the morning when I dosed. If I sat down I couldn't stop nodding. This happened between the doses of about 30-20mgs. Once I went below 20 I stopped getting that strange high in the mornings. I would also get sick earlier and earlier each evening and this high would be shorter and shorter each day until it was gone. My friends would accuse me of using and I couldn't convince them otherwise. Some people from my group even told the clinic and they started giving me a UA twice a week. I don't know why I got this reaction. I can only speculate.

This was the first time I was on methadone. The second time I saw a private doctor and only got 40mgs per day. The second time I went down 10mgs per week and I did not get the strange highs in the morning but I also didn't really get sick until I was completely done tapering. I could be wrong but Your strong cravings last night suggest to me that you might start getting sick some evenings and get this buzz in the mornings until your body stabilizes or it could just be that the methadone is starting to accumulate in your body.

I just now saw that you have only recently begun methadone and were sick in the evenings from the start. Are you still getting sick each evening or is the time in the evening when you are sick getting shorter and shorter? If so than I would believe that the methadone is starting to accumulate somewhat. It is hard to say though because of the way you have been going up and down with your dose. I am only speculating based on my previous experiences with methadone. Perhaps it is best if you just focus on each moment and not think about how each day is going to be from one to the next. I was just trying to prepare you so you wouldn't be caught off guard. You can expect to be sick and uncomfortable at some point either way.

I hope my post doesn't sound paternalistic. If so I am sorry. I just wanted to assist you with your methadone detox. I read that you were on it before and would therefore have your own experiences. I hope sharing mine helps you in some way.
 
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who cares if you had a nod, at that low of a dose, it really was just YOU that had the nod..... hell i woulnd't even get close to nodding on 25 mgs of methadone, and right now i'm opiate-clean totally! thats all you girl , fuck opiates
 
Methadone can be really strange sometimes. I was on 180mgs for years. I started decreasing my dose 1mg per day and once I reached about 30mgs I would be sick in the evenings but uncontrollably high in the morning when I dosed. If I sat down I couldn't stop nodding. This happened between the doses of about 30-20mgs. Once I went below 20 I stopped getting that strange high in the mornings. I would also get sick earlier and earlier each evening and this high would be shorter and shorter each day until it was gone. My friends would accuse me of using and I couldn't convince them otherwise. Some people from my group even told the clinic and they started giving me a UA twice a week. I don't know why I got this reaction. I can only speculate.

This was the first time I was on methadone. The second time I saw a private doctor and only got 40mgs per day. The second time I went down 10mgs per week and I did not get the strange highs in the morning but I also didn't really get sick until I was completely done tapering. I could be wrong but Your strong cravings last night suggest to me that you might start getting sick some evenings and get this buzz in the mornings until your body stabilizes or it could just be that the methadone is starting to accumulate in your body.

I just now saw that you have only recently begun methadone and were sick in the evenings from the start. Are you still getting sick each evening or is the time in the evening when you are sick getting shorter and shorter? If so than I would believe that the methadone is starting to accumulate somewhat. It is hard to say though because of the way you have been going up and down with your dose. I am only speculating based on my previous experiences with methadone. Perhaps it is best if you just focus on each moment and not think about how each day is going to be from one to the next. I was just trying to prepare you so you wouldn't be caught off guard. You can expect to be sick and uncomfortable at some point either way.

I hope my post doesn't sound paternalistic. If so I am sorry. I just wanted to assist you with your methadone detox. I read that you were on it before and would therefore have your own experiences. I hope sharing mine helps you in some way.

No you don't sound paternalistic at all. Yeah methadone is weird - I mean, I'm nodding at 22 (didn't today tho, but i saw her dispense it and I swear I saw an airbubble in the tube, so I think I might've been shorted a miligram or two. no biggie though), and that's crazy to me. It doesn't last though - when it happens I nod for an hour, feel good for a few hours - two to five or so, then it slowly starts wearing off to where I feel achy and down and no energy, ect.

I'm just trying to get through it. I could up my dose and feel better, but then I'd be stuck on methadone longer, you know? I don't want to do that, I just want to go through this and get it over with. I told my counselor today I want to drop to 20 on monday, so we'll see how that goes.

motiv311 - "fuck opiates" - my sentiments exactly. :)
 
seriously considering going down faster. I kind of feel like I'm prolonging the pain here, staying on a dose that only leaves me feeling ok a few hours a day. Maybe it makes more sense to just go down fast and just get OFF it, knowing that once I'm off, I'm just going to be getting better, instead of feeling better for a few hours, then feeling sick, then dosing again the next day so my body thinks "oh more opiates - we dont have to get better"..

does anyone know what I'm saying?

I had my counselor put in a 2 mg drop for monday, which will bring me to 20... but maybe I should just like, go down 2 every 4 days. That way I'd be off around the end of July. Or fuck it, maybe 2 every 3 days. Sure I'll feel like shit, but I don't feel that great anyway so whats the difference? Besides, I think too much about dosing - I watch the clock - "12 more hours and I can go dose, 6 more hours and I can go dose". I recognized it and tried to stop but I still do it.

I just want to be OFF it so that I know from here on out it only gets better. Also with my financial situation i could really use the extra money not having to pay methadone would give me.
 
Found it. Taking that as a sign too, lol. Its been a rough day. Not getting anymore (this was prescribed by a dentist months ago), so this is a one time deal. I dont even know if I'll feel 3.5 mgs of hydrocodone.
 
Felt it for 3 hours or so. Not high, just not cold and depressed and anxious for a change. I actually almost felt content for a minute. I know it doesnt stay like that tho, and theres no more vics here, so thats that.

Nice to know i feel such a small amount though-means I'm getting better.
 
I know :( I swear I felt a little sicker this am than normal, but it may have been in my mind. There's no more vics here tho, and I don't buy pills on the street cos you just never know what you're getting... I just couldn't resist one little half a vicodin.

I'm still on track though - I don't want to be addicted to opiates anymore.

Was reading the story of that Marine who got the Medal Of Honor yesterday for jumping on a grenade to save his best friend. He lost an eye and has facial scars and spent months in the hospital. I just found it inspiring. I'm *knock on wood* reasonably healthy and able bodied, plenty of people have it worse than me. I just need to fight and keep at it - if that dude can do it, I can do it.

I just hate the anxiety and sadness and not enjoying anything... but I'm finding I do better when I get out of this apartment. I hate it here so much. I think once I get a regular full time job that gets me out of here everyday, and I can start saving money to move out, I'll feel better. I just miss being happy... but I'm not going to cop. Actually I've been noticing little moments where I actually do feel happy, in the last week or so - little moments where I feel normal and feel that happiness when listening to music or thinking about something good... so I'm going to keep at it. I don't want a chemical facsimile of happiness, I want the real thing.

thanks NSA :)
 
yet another text to my man: "I know I'm being a girl right now, lol, but is everything ok with us?"

I can't do this, man. I don't know how to live life sober. The truth is I started using in 95, was a full blown addict in 96, and with the exception of a year and a half on methadone and clean back a while ago and a nother year and a half on methadone and clean ending this past November, I have been on heroin since then.

I have no idea how to live life sober. I really don't. I got my confidence from heroin, my sociability from heroin, my self esteem.... it was how I dealt. Before if I was tripping off a guy I was seeing I would just get high so I could chill for a bit. Now I don't have that anymore. Thank fuck he's patient and seems to actually like me. I mean I've only asked him a couple times, but still, it's a couple times too many.

I have no idea how to live life sober. Not one single solitary fucking clue.

eta: no I'm not going to use today.
 
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