I'm all alone, there's no one here beside meee...

[CDiddles]

Are there any others here that find their love for psychedelics and drugs in general are misunderstood, by friends or family? I find it really hard to argue my case for something that is quite the taboo in today's mainstream society. It really gets me down sometimes that I don't really have anyone as enthusiastic as me to enjoy some mind altering/expanding trips with...

 

[X3DFX]

Yeah, there are few that are willing to be open to such things. Why do you need anyone to care about what you care about though? If you love what you love, that is enough.

 

[Voxide]

You can't expect others to be open to a lifestyle which is illegal and dangerous at times. You're in the minority and you need to accept that. Do what you want and don't worry about it.

 

[knock]

You can't expect others to be open to a lifestyle which is illegal and dangerous at times. You're in the minority and you need to accept that. Do what you want and don't worry about it.

Such a great perspective. If only the blacks/gays/disabled/mentally ill accepted they were in the minority, and just got on with their lives.


CDiddles, I'm with you, fortunately I do have a few friends I can share my drug-fun with, and even some family who I can be open with as they have either been drug-fun lovers or still are. Of course it makes a difference being able to be yourself with people that you love, and I don't really understand how that isn't totally obvious.

Drugs and music go together like Cheddar and Branstons, are there no music-related events/clubs etc that you could go to, to meet like-minded people?

I also think it's important to fight the mainstream attitude. Be the best person you can be, in the public sphere, and challenge blinkered views, politely and gently, where you can.

 

[CDiddles]

I don't need anyone to love it with me X3DFX, but what is love without someone to share it with? What I'm saying is, do you guys just accept that "we're in the minority" and just keep to yourselves about psych stuff?

 

[knock]

What I'm saying is, do you guys just accept that "we're in the minority" and just keep to yourselves about psych stuff?

I do not accept that nor do I keep it to myself but I am very careful about how and with whom I approach the matter. If I'm going to express unorthodox views to someone I make sure they already know I am a worthwhile human being for other reasons. For instance there are people I have worked with, with whom I have argued that drugs can be a good thing and should be legalised. In doing this I take the risk of becoming known as a druggie and this might have a negative effect on my employment opportunities. So I have known those people for years before I even consider this, I trust them, and they know that I am a contributing member of society. That protects my position, and it strengthens my argument.

When I work, it's usually in fairly conservative environments. However you'd be surprised how open an intelligent person is to controversial ideas if they come from people who seem to be like them (intelligent and productive). I don't mean I have convinced many people, but I think I've planted seeds of doubt.

 

[CDiddles]

I like your train of thought knockando! I think this may be what has happened to me. I'm only starting my journey so to speak and am quite young. I think I've tried to get people too involved with it when they don't really understand, nor care and have just basically labelled me as a druggie.. that's what I hate the most. Being called something that associates you with the poor souls lying on a piss soaked mattresses with needles hanging out of them... Know what I mean? I definitely need to keep up with this forum more often... you guys have the answers

 

[Solipsis]

Yeah we are a rare breed, I think psychedelics users are like 0,5% or something. I forgot the actual number but I think its close to that.

It seems to go against a lot of conventional thought about what people think is appropriate, people see pretty much only negative things about it in the news and the misconceptions are myths out there are unbelievable.
You would not believe how many people, even people that do use other drugs, are afraid of LSD without really knowing a lot about it.

 

[twelvesevndi]

^i also enjoy the "i love molly, mushrooms, acid, and smoking weed. i'll nver touch any of those chemical drugs tho"

 

[whataboutheforests]

You would not believe how many people, even people that do use other drugs, are afraid of LSD without really knowing a lot about it.

I know SO many people like this its ridiculous. People seriously will believe anything they hear. I hear people argue the acid in spinal fluid myth furiously to me, and these people aren't even stupid, they've just heard it so many times and have obviously never tripped because of this so they have no idea. I wish making a bluelight account is mandatory for the general population.

 

[Godzilla]

hello friend. You can allways come here to BL for support.
My wife and I have tried a few times to introduce the wonderful world of psychs to some of our long time friends and they just dont get it. We have realized that not everyone needs to understand and not everyone will understand. That is ok.
I hope you can find a small group of people that share your interest like my wife and I have. If they are true friends and good people keep those people close to you.

 

[Godzilla]

Remember a lot of this has to do with ignorance and I like to believe that a very small % of people really truly will ever understand and appreciate psychs.

 

[skinwalker]

I don't even try and explain because with some people, especially the ignorant, they don't want to understand so really there is no point. Doing so just makes you look more delusional in their eyes.
My wife particularly had a hard time at first with my re-emergence of psyche use after over a ten year stint. I love her to death so her concern was important to me. I have educated her enough to be comfortable with my use....i don't blame her for being concerned for me when her brother suffers from a bad crack addiction....it was all part of the education process, though, there's no comparison-in her eyes their "drugs". She see's the good but I do still see some uneasiness in her, mostly from her closedmindedness - she doesn't want to understand in a way.
She's known me long enough to know that she see's the benefits that I'm receiving from them...it's funny because she has recommended them to her sister to reap some of the same benefits....but I strongly cautioned her to do so because as we all BL'ers know the potential consequences. If someone is willing to go into the psyche realm be full aware of what the fuck your doing!!

 

[Voxide]

Such a great perspective. If only the blacks/gays/disabled/mentally ill accepted they were in the minority, and just got on with their lives.

Such a dumb counter-argument. You don't see a difference between BEING somebody and having a choice of what you do and put into your body? Don't expect the rest of society to cater to and accept your actions when they are still illegal under federal law. It's better to keep to yourself and not let anybody know about what you do with your free time. When people find out, it all goes in the shitter. Sad and unfortunate, but true. If you don't want to be looked at as a druggie, then don't do drugs, or do a better job of hiding them. Nobody should be open to drug use in the first place. Knowing people that are or having family members that are is very fortunate.

 

[Penthos]

I love it when the people upstairs from me question my psychedelic use. I simply ask them why they drink themselves into a stupor every weekend then list all of the bullshit I, as a non-drinker, don't have to deal with like hangovers, stumbling, alcohol poisoning, slurring, etc, etc. Then I ask them "If alcohol were invented today do you think it would be illegal?" Then they shut up...and ask to try my drugs.

 

[any major dude]

I'm lucky enough to have met people in the various places i've lived whom i could share my hobby with. It usually does take a while, as I'm always very discretionary with who i share my views, let alone my drugs with.

There are a number of music scenes that are psychedelic friendly, and there's also a roll call section in the regional discussion area of BL where you also may be able to find some people with similar interests.

This path can be a lonely one at times, but when you do meet people who share these interests, and you will eventually, it seems all the more worthwhile

 

[knock]

Such a dumb counter-argument. You don't see a difference between BEING somebody and having a choice of what you do and put into your body?

I see differences but the similarities are more noticable. They are all benign, minority modes of existence which have at times been marginalised or persecuted by the majority.*

Don't expect the rest of society to cater to and accept your actions when they are still illegal under federal law. It's better to keep to yourself and not let anybody know about what you do with your free time. When people find out, it all goes in the shitter. Sad and unfortunate, but true. If you don't want to be looked at as a druggie, then don't do drugs, or do a better job of hiding them. Nobody should be open to drug use in the first place. Knowing people that are or having family members that are is very fortunate.

What's your point? I have one: try to stand up for what you believe in. Yours seems to be: be secretive about your dirty little guilty pleasures and you might get away with it.

* obviously whether a group is a minority or a majority depends on social context.

 

[Dark Horse]

I want to say I have to be more careful than most people about this...but everyone has excellent reasons to be discerning. In my case, I'm a public figure, and not a kid. And I live a long way from 'home' in a very conservative society.

Still....

I got talking with someone a couple of months ago...another guy who has something to lose. He's a few years older than me and inside about ten minutes of casual conversation we were talking about dosing some cactus.

With psyches, I usually find people either know about them and respect them or just don't have the first idea. If it's the latter, I don't spend too much time trying to convey the benefits. I do though have power through my work to put psyches in a positive light. I can't be seen to do that too often but I have created the chance in the past.

It was funny the other day...a new colleague and I were talking about her finding a 'sugar daddy' and whether that would ultimately be a boring way to spend a life (too little challenge). I said, you can always do drugs with all that extra time, slow your brain down a bit. Then she mumbled something about DMT. And I'm like...did you just say DMT ? She is the only random person I've met in the nearly 20 years I've spent in this outpost who has brought it up. She talked about the scarcity of acid here, never mind DMT. I suggested this needs to be 'our little secret'..and we haven't mentioned it since. I didn't tell her I had some DMT stashed in the freezer.

 

[Voxide]

I love it when the people upstairs from me question my psychedelic use. I simply ask them why they drink themselves into a stupor every weekend then list all of the bullshit I, as a non-drinker, don't have to deal with like hangovers, stumbling, alcohol poisoning, slurring, etc, etc. Then I ask them "If alcohol were invented today do you think it would be illegal?" Then they shut up...and ask to try my drugs.

Please shut up. Alcohol is fucking amazing.

I see differences but the similarities are more noticable. They are all benign, minority modes of existence which have at times been marginalised or persecuted by the majority.*



What's your point? I have one: try to stand up for what you believe in. Yours seems to be: be secretive about your dirty little guilty pleasures and you might get away with it.

* obviously whether a group is a minority or a majority depends on social context.

Fair enough man. Each person will have their own belief with when it comes to their own use. You summed up my personal point completely. Of course you don't have to agree with it.

 

[IamMe90]

Please shut up. Alcohol is fucking amazing.

Fair enough man. Each person will have their own belief with when it comes to their own use. You summed up my personal point completely. Of course you don't have to agree with it.

Let's be fucking real, alcohol is pretty much an OK drug by all accounts and is only made "fucking awesome" in any way by its accessibility/availability in public places like venues and restaurants.

As a party drug Cocaine, low-dose K, MDMA, even lighter stims like M1 are all more conducive to socializing and having a good time, the majority without the nasty side effects of alcohol which are way too fucking easy to induce.

This is PD, not OD, so I will say that alcohol is in most respects a far better party drug than any psych ever will be. But for real put that bullshit away, alcohol is not objectively "fucking amazing" in pretty much any way, it is very "so-so" on all accounts, the euphoria is pretty tame (if you can even call it "euphoria," rather than just a dumb sort of giggliness...) the inhibition is matched by a lot of other downers/similar drugs, and the side effects are some of the easiest to induce with even casual use.

sidenote: I agree that being judgmental about drinking/being a "nondrinker" is generally pretty stupid, and nondrinkers tend to sticks in the mud. But you're still wrong.