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If you could only take 1 drug for the rest of your life what would it be?

spudgun said:
Alcohol. That's not just because it's legal and universal - it's legal and universal because it's the most versatile and tolerable mind-altering drug about IMO.
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Alcohol is hardly universal, it's illegal in massive swathes of the world.
 
I think speed :)
It's my ultimate party drug, but I would probably get addiction problems again if I couldn't switch it up...
 
Alcohol has made me suicidal in the past.... well to be honest, alcohol makes me take on my emotions... So if I'm depressed I SHOULD NOT DRINK alcohol, same for angry etc... but if merry I'm fine... I guess that alcohol does have this kinda seductive pull where one moment everything seems merry, the next you're either depressed as fuck, trying to kill yourself or wanting to rip someone's head off... I guess 'tis all about how much to take, mood etc......

Opiates to be honest are the best..... apart from the addiction element, of course....

Evey
 
I would once have agreed. Opiates are a far lesser evil than ethanol - and by some considerable distance - but ultimately end up in the same place. They deaden you and overexcite you at the same time. Evertything is heightened - almost always in the most negative of ways. And if it's not heightened it's dead and meaningless.

Psyches and entactogens are the only positive drugs. The only ones that take a person forward not backward.
 
The problem is when on a higher dose of suboxone I had a new found confidence.... but now I'm avoiding eye contact with, even kids on the street, and shrieking away again like before.... It makes me want more suboxone, codeine, opiates.... I can't be that person again who was so shy and anxious that people scared the hell out of me... arggggghhhhh that's why places like Bluelight are my saviour.... I can be myself here... not some shadow that agrees with everyone, walking on eggshells, scared of conflict and confrontation....
I also forgot that suboxone and codeine gave me the gifts of confidence and being able to be around people in a confident way.... I can't end up afraid and anxious again... hell, will that happen once I'm off suboxone???? I can still change my mind, can't I.... and fuck the quitting.....

Evey
 
Shambles said:
I would once have agreed. Opiates are a far lesser evil than ethanol - and by some considerable distance - but ultimately end up in the same place. They deaden you and overexcite you at the same time. Evertything is heightened - almost always in the most negative of ways. And if it's not heightened it's dead and meaningless.

Psyches and entactogens are the only positive drugs. The only ones that take a person forward not backward.
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Yep, I understand where yer coming from there mate, but any psychedelic/stimulant type drugs also have the capacity to shaft you up the ass (Evey, over here, quick =D ). Imagine an opiate with no addiction issues - that steady, chilled, self-assured confidence without the inconvenience and unpredictability of emotions - functional yet euphoric, pain free, anti-depressant, anti-life. What could be better?? :\
 
^ They've never once done that to me. Not saying they don't have that capacity but compared to what other stuff does for everybody who gets the taste...? Different world. If psyches fuck you over you either took the piss in a BIG way or you pushed too hard without even trying to understand. If entactogens did you took too much too often.

I guess the same could be said for any substance... but none of those have anything to offer in return for that risk. Nothing worth having anyway.

Eveleivibe said:
The problem is when on a higher dose of suboxone I had a new found confidence.... but now I'm avoiding eye contact with, even kids on the street, and shrieking away again like before....
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That is purely because you are in acute w/d. You've probably never truly experience 'real' opiod w/d. Not meaning to belittle codeine addiction but bupe is several rungs up the ladder and in a whole different realm of experience. It will pass in a few days <3
 
Shambles said:
^ They've never once done that to me. Not saying they don't have that capacity but compared to what other stuff does for everybody who gets the taste...? Different world. If psyches fuck you over you either took the piss in a BIG way or you pushed too hard without even trying to understand. If entactogens did you took too much too often.
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I actually agree with you - psychs and empathogens ARE pretty positive IMO. However, they DO have the capacity to push vulnerable people over the edge. On the other hand, I've never heard of opiate psychosis, have you? Whilst It may be true that opiate addicts have various psychological problems to begin with, I'm not aware of any studies which show that opiates can cause or even exacerbate psychological issues (though TBH, I've not even looked). From my own and others' experience, opiates seem to be the only true anti-depressants available - if only it wasn't for addiction.... (yes, I've left myself wide open here.. I know... :) )
 
Only one substance..

If I'm going to be practical its going to have to be something in the way of a strong analgesic, what with my knee and hip problems, neuropathy and constant severe cramp in the calf muscle on my injured side, I'd class my little experimental opium-based concoction as a single substance, as its just a one-stage rxn to create, once everything is cleaned up, the entire alkaloid fraction getting thrown into the pot.

Either that, or 3-OH-PCP. Opiates aren't that great for nerve pain, such as I got left with after my failed knee surgery, but NMDA antagonists work wonders on it in my experience. Low doses for analgesia, and of course, larger for when I just fancy getting munted.

I haven't enough experience with it yet to consider it as a candidate for a one-drug-per-life scenario, but MXP might just fit the bill, it seems to be a reasonably strong painkiller at sub-hole doses, unsurprising given its similarity to lefetamine, as well as being a proper full blown dissociative if taken high enough (I found it to be lovely stuff at 280mg I.V) and a fairly good stimulant also.

Not a bad little package really.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
I actually agree with you - psychs and empathogens ARE pretty positive IMO. However, they DO have the capacity to push vulnerable people over the edge. On the other hand, I've never heard of opiate psychosis, have you?
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Yes I have. It infects everybody addicted to opiates. Until you are no longer addicter to opiates it's no more possible to see that than somebody who has never been addicted to opiates can understand that concept.

I vehemently disagree with that standard 'yeah but vulnerable people...' response too. Who are you calling vulnerable? I am. Very much so. The only vulnerabilty that risks damage from psyches is the one that is not able to follow and accept and interpret what is given to them. And that person does not exist.
 
Shambles said:
^ They've never once done that to me. Not saying they don't have that capacity but compared to what other stuff does for everybody who gets the taste...? Different world. If psyches fuck you over you either took the piss in a BIG way or you pushed too hard without even trying to understand. If entactogens did you took too much too often.

I guess the same could be said for any substance... but none of those have anything to offer in return for that risk. Nothing worth having anyway.



That is purely because you are in acute w/d. You've probably never truly experience 'real' opiod w/d. Not meaning to belittle codeine addiction but bupe is several rungs up the ladder and in a whole different realm of experience. It will pass in a few days <3
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I'm not.... I feel ace! I feel serene, calm, tranquil, floaty n like all is well with the world....and I've only taken 4 mg day 3 :)

Oh subs withdrawal doesn't frighten me at all..... just look at Owen, 24 mg down to 0 n he was hardly ill at all.... he's a true inspiration to us all, tat bloke.

Evey
 
Alcohol. I only really like 2 drugs now anyway - alcohol and heroin - and I'm sick of heroin. Heroin turned me off pretty much every drug and alcohol is the most versatile in terms of purpose (heroin isn't terribly social...)
 
I'm not sure laxatives really count as recreational drugs but each to their own and all that :)

Also, as has already been pointed out, you do know how dangerous trying to use laxatives for weight loss is, yes? Not only do you not lose any real weight (you just become very deydrated and malnourished which is not the same thing) you can also do some quite nasty damage to yourself. Seems a bit much given they don't actually serve any purpose other than getting rid of constipation - which definitely is not gonna be an issue if you've just halved your Suboxone dose really.

Each to their own, but as a HR forum it needs to be pointed out that what you are doing is dangerous as well as ineffective,
 
yea I did a weight loss course just in a fucked up place I guess....
Sensibly I need to get myself some B6 B12 for mood, plus vitamin D (the great outdoors); things like almond nuts, salmon, tuna, fibre, eggs, wholemeal.
40% carbs, 40 protein% n 20 goods fats ie omega 3s.....

The good days.... Oh... BTW, I threw the laxatives down the toilet about 5 hours ago....

What was I bloody thinking.... Should know better with a postgrad in weight management....

and all the exercise stuff I've done...

Evey
 
Hi

If I could take a drug for the rest of my life, and that drug never lost it's magic, I think it would be zolpidem.
I like the dreamy high from this drug.
I haven't taken it for years though because i had a valium habit and weaned off valium over a long time, and with zolpidem being benzo-cross-tolerant, it messed up my taper.
Now that I am on benzos, I don't want to take anything that would 're-awaken' my benzo withdrawal symptoms.
I know plenty people who weaned off benzos, and then had the odd few days on them, and got readdicted.
 
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