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If MDMA is MDMA, then LSD is LSD, True?

Well true, but I was ultimately talking about receiving strictly lysergic acid diethylamide; nothing more, nothing less, nothing in between.

In your situation, you're still ultimately dosing me with two different substances. I understand what you're saying, but my question was is all LSD, LSD. I know what you're saying though, you're saying some impurities may make or break the batch, in LSD's case, iso-LSD (well, not really make or break it, bad example lol.)

I hope I didn't make myself sound like a total ass/idiot with this last post lol.
 
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i understand what you are getting at, its late as shit so my brain is degraded a bit from todays activities but here is my opinion...

lsd 25 made by a very able chemist thats iso-free and pure. thats one thing. that is extremely strong acid in crystal or liquid form i believe.

the same chemical compound could be made with less ability by a less experienced chemist who could possibly create a slightly different compound (?) that would be less active in its desired properties.

but then on the left hand you got this here "theres the whole good acid bad acid debate with blotters/liquid" shit too. since most of my fictional lsd purchases has been based on trust and hope that the tabs are lsd as supposed to being 'bitter' and containing rc's or something unknown...

so there are way too many different slangs involved here and im quite lopsided in the head right now so im going stop halfway thru the post.
 
of course acid is acid

unless your set or setting are different, which will cause you to have a strong/light/dark/happy/introspective/fun/whatever trip.

duh :)
 
DiZzyBonne said:
That answers my question, but I guess you read my hypothetical situation wrong (or I worded it poorly.) I meant that the dose was 100 ug of LSD, not including whatever other inactive impurities it may include. In other words, a dose of vial A may be a total of 124 ug, 100 of those ug being LSD, the other 24 ug being the inactive impurities, and a dose of vial B may be a total of 159 ug, 100 of those ug being LSD, the other 59 ug being the inactive impurities.

But now I understand why people say that 100 ug of vial A may not be the same as 100 ug of vial B, because in reality, those 100 ug can be a random variation of LSD and any impurities, meaning you're not really getting 100 ug of LSD, you're getting less (unless you're one lucky sob!)
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this answers the op's own question without having to get into slang.=D
 
Del - I think our definitions are the same ;) LSD is LSD, "bad acid" has other unexpected and undesired actives and/or has less LSD than expected or desired.
 
RGB said:
Also recall that LSD isn't the only psychoactive compound that can fit onto blotter paper. I had a surprising experience with what I'm almost certain was DOB (based on duration and effects), sold to me as acid on a little square of paper.

There's also the issue of concentration. "Bad" acid may simply be acid that's sufficiently degraded, or wasn't much of a dose to begin with. It's incredibly difficult to assess the amount of LSD on a piece of blotter so it's not surprising that people's assessment of its effects varies.
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Agreed...it has more to do with this ^^^^ and less with the formula.
 
I love mixing up my set and setting, It can add a whole different perspective and experience. This could be a very strong indicator of whether or not someone identifys the acid that they took to be "good" or "bad" acid.
 
As I understand it all acid is fairly impure. Even the best shit is like ~90-95% pure and the impure shit can be around ~50% pure. The major impurity being iso-lsd. My experience tells me that there is "dirty" and "clean" lsd and if you mistreat acid it will degrade and become "dirty" and the experience it invites will be more harsh. Iso-lsd is supposedly non-psychoactive, but I suspect it does activate serotonin receptors in the peripheral nervous system. Thus it causes physical effects, usually unpleasent ones.
 
^This would makes sense. I've noticed a distinct variation of effects from batch to batch in the intensity and nature of both the body high/load, the visuals, and mental effects.

One batch I had gave me a nice body high but very few visuals and even at high dosages the visuals would barely increase in proportion with the body feelings. Very mentally light as well for some reason.

They still seem to be LSD and not some RC in that they have a familiar feel to them and they began working in 30 minutes or less. But some batches I've had, even if I ate 4 or 5 hits it wouldn't be equal or close to even 2 hits of good "clean" acid.

There has to be some other factors at play here than just variation in dosage. Perhaps these blotters I speak of are almost entirely degraded into iso-LSD or other impurities.

I haven't had the good stuff in quite a while unfortunately.
 
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Here's the deal.

When a term describes a single molecule, such as "LSD tartrate", it leaves NO room for variation between drugs fitting its definition. No two like molecules will ever have any structural differences. Hence, there is no such thing as "good LSD tartrate" or "bad LSD tartrate".

When a term describes a small number of possible salts of a compound (or a freebase) such as "LSD", very LITTLE room for variation is left within the definition. The various possible salts of LSD likely have nothing more than indistinguishable differences in their effect profiles. Also, I'm fairly certain that recreational LSD is almost always a tartrate. "Good LSD" and "bad LSD", in all practicality, don't really exist.

When a term describes a group of molecules, then suddenly an infinite (quite literally) number of possible drug samples can fit the definition. An example of this is "cannabis". Cannabis buds consist of countless organic molecules, a number of those being psychoactive. These compounds could appear in ANY ratio, some ratios proving to be more attractive to recreational users than others, hence the clearly very real phenomenon of "good weed" and "bad weed".

Blotter is another example of something that can vary. Not only is the ratio of active chemical to paper a variable, but any number of drugs could be laid onto blotter paper, which then could degrade into any number of psychoactive or inert byproducts.
 
I've always been told that differences in crystal purity can NOT be detected at doses that are under approx. 1.5-2mg (receptor saturation).

This came from someone who has done many thumbprints and dealt with many different types and qualities of crystal. I believe it's in the "crystal to blotter" thread by Chinacat72 on the Mycotopia forums. He says difference in purity can DEFINITELY be noticed at the thumbprint level, but not at the normal level.
VERY VERY interesting read about LSD and the way it's produced and moved...
http://forums.mycotopia.net/misc-entheogens/1589-crystal-blotter-lsd.html
 
^ No two LSD trips of sane dosages are ever identical. I don't know how anyone could possibly attribute differences in thumbprint trips to differences in purity of crystal.
 
psilocybonaut said:
I've always been told that differences in crystal purity can NOT be detected at doses that are under approx. 1.5-2mg (receptor saturation).

This came from someone who has done many thumbprints and dealt with many different types and qualities of crystal. I believe it's in the "crystal to blotter" thread by Chinacat72 on the Mycotopia forums. He says difference in purity can DEFINITELY be noticed at the thumbprint level, but not at the normal level.
VERY VERY interesting read about LSD and the way it's produced and moved...
http://forums.mycotopia.net/misc-entheogens/1589-crystal-blotter-lsd.html
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I've read that thread and it is very interesting but apparently the veracity of ChinaCat's account has been questioned. I've seen a few people claim it is BS but I wouldn't know.
 
melquiades said:
No, but you see, when acid is manufactured it's not pure. There are other, if minute and barely active, products in the reaction. The most common is iso-LSD, which is an alternate form of the same chemical structure. (One of the atoms is chiral, and the diethylamine group can be "up" or "down".)

Another description, of course, would be how ng/tab. If something has a lot of ng/tab one might call it "good acid", and visa verca.

all of this A = A crap is not doing me any good.
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ug not ng.....

LSD is micrograms....

but the point is that even if there are mildly active manufacture byproducts, their concentrations would be excessively low compared to the already miniscule amount of LSD in your hits...

So the only way they might have any effect on your body would be if you dosed heroically, and even then the LSD would just overhwhelm it....

it matters how much your taking....

hits of acid can vary in strength, your mindset can affect strength, last time you dosed can affect strength. Other drugs, your diet, sleep patterns, too many damn variables....

the point is that your mileage may vary from what i, or anyone else experiences on a similiar amount....

3 drops of diluted drops might do hardly anything, but those 3 drops could also have enough in them to have you unable to talk for quite some time....

acid is acid unless its just paper, water, or paper or water filled with DOB.... In which case you don't have bad acid, you have DOB.... which is a far cry from being LSD at all...
 
If I had a nickel for eveytime Ive discussed this with a friend of mine. He uses the 'good vs bad' motif alot, saying this acid is speedy, this acid lasts for 12 hours, this acid lasts for 5 hours. I explain it to him on two different levels: there is lsd vs not lsd and there is high dosage vs low dosage. Unknown blotters can contain anything from DOx to bromo-dragonfly or lsd in a wide range of dosage.
 
"dirty" (unpure) acid is fucking disgusting, makes me sick as all hell.

and on another note, there's really no way you can say with 100% certainty that "there is lsd on this tab" unless you manufactured it or got it tested.
 
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