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If Jesus died for our sins...

15 pages about this? Jesus didn't die for your sins, i don't get where that idea comes from : s You all need to learn and understand your mistakes before you can be forgiven. Period.
 
This is a question that the Church has had to deal with repeatedly in its history. The idea that "we should sin so that grave abound," to use the memorable phrase of St Paul, he answers with "by no means" (traditionally translated as "God forbid," although the original Greek phrase says neither "God" nor "forbid") is called "antinomianism" ("against Law"). The less deranged version of antinomianism holds that good works should flow solely from internal factors not because of the imposition of divine will in the form of law. The more deranged version literally holds that sin should be committed so that grace abound. As far back as the letter to Galatians by Paul, this was a concern in the Gnostic Cults that were proliferating in the milieu of neoplatonism and very early Christianity. Later it reared its ugly head in various degenerate forms of protestantism to the point that Luther was actually the one to develop the term to use against people for taking his ideas way too far. Some of the theology that is preached in very liberal Christian churches (or historically Christian churches like the UUs) is basically the former form of antinomianism while the latter was present in certain Christian or quasi-Christian sects mostly of a gnostic persuasion, although it was more held in the theoretical than the actual.
 
But literally i've read the Bible (and some Apocrypha) inside and out and still don't get what sin means. What does the word mean?
 
Gormur said:
But literally i've read the Bible (and some Apocrypha) inside and out and still don't get what sin means. What does the word mean?
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Strong's Concordance
hamartia: a sin, failure
Original Word: ἁμαρτία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hamartia
Phonetic Spelling: (ham-ar-tee'-ah)
Definition: a sin, failure
Usage: prop: missing the mark; hence: (a) guilt, sin, (b) a fault, failure (in an ethical sense), sinful deed.
 
Missing the mark. Walking in fullness of His Glory.
For all have fallen short the Glory of God.
What it means is that fortunately unfortunately we were created by a Supreme Perfect Being.

I’m more of a theologian philosopher.

There’s Athiest and I understand your guys arguments.
In Gods Word it says everyone is without excuse. Everyone will own their own sins,(failures).


Ppl say God has a sick sense of Humor.
Well I worship a God that even tho He slay me. I will trust in Him.

I felt the pangs Of Hell and Judgement, like Christ I have tasted in His Death, I KNOW HE IS REAL. My eyes have SEEN HIM.

I didn’t ask for it, had He not shown up I would of died of an opiate OD, in 05.
I own my sins, but a lot of my problems were my parents failure in raising me.

so I reap their thorns.
 
Aeon Psyche said:
15 pages about this? Jesus didn't die for your sins, i don't get where that idea comes from : s You all need to learn and understand your mistakes before you can be forgiven. Period.
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Forgiven??

By whom?

Who has the power to forgive sins against you, for you?

No one has that power but you.

To think otherwise is to believe in fantasy gods.

Regards
DL
 
SKL said:
This is a question that the Church has had to deal with repeatedly in its history. The idea that "we should sin so that grave abound," to use the memorable phrase of St Paul, he answers with "by no means" (traditionally translated as "God forbid," although the original Greek phrase says neither "God" nor "forbid") is called "antinomianism" ("against Law"). The less deranged version of antinomianism holds that good works should flow solely from internal factors not because of the imposition of divine will in the form of law. The more deranged version literally holds that sin should be committed so that grace abound. As far back as the letter to Galatians by Paul, this was a concern in the Gnostic Cults that were proliferating in the milieu of neoplatonism and very early Christianity. Later it reared its ugly head in various degenerate forms of protestantism to the point that Luther was actually the one to develop the term to use against people for taking his ideas way too far. Some of the theology that is preached in very liberal Christian churches (or historically Christian churches like the UUs) is basically the former form of antinomianism while the latter was present in certain Christian or quasi-Christian sects mostly of a gnostic persuasion, although it was more held in the theoretical than the actual.
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Hard not to think that sin is good when the Exsultet hymn calls Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

If you do not sin buddy, you screw up god's plan for you.

As Martin Luther said, sin much, but repent. I adlibbed that.

Regards
DL
 
Gormur said:
But literally i've read the Bible (and some Apocrypha) inside and out and still don't get what sin means. What does the word mean?
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Your bible defines it.

Job 2.3 even has God admitting to sinning and doing evil and that verse is quite clear.

Regards
DL
 
sonicwhite said:
Supreme Perfect Being.
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Who ever thought that we would end in a perfect being being a genocidal son murdering prick like Yahweh.

Can you not think of a better description for that vile prick?

Supreme pile of perfect shit maby?

Regards
DL
 
sonicwhite said:
In Gods Word it says everyone is without excuse. Everyone will own their own sins,(failures).
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Are you saying that those who believe in Jesus as the payer of their sins will be disapointed.
Jesus, IOW, is not your savior. Right?

Regards
DL
 
I just don't see how any of this is Biblical. How would a sinful person know sin if they're blind from God's presence
 
I’m saying that without the Son of God willingly laying His life down we would be screwed.
At my judgment I will have to still answer for my trespassings.

but I will either lose or receive giving my Knowledge of what I did in this life.
Jesus said deny me before friends, and I’ll deny you in front of My Father.

I take NT and OT scripture very seriously.

Do I think it’s screwed up that I get acquitted for my crimes? NOPE! I’m thankful that He loves me enough to forgive me.

but, you cannot use Jesus’s name as an excuse to sin.
 
sonicwhite said:
I’m saying that without the Son of God willingly laying His life down we would be screwed.
At my judgment I will have to still answer for my trespassings.

but I will either lose or receive giving my Knowledge of what I did in this life.
Jesus said deny me before friends, and I’ll deny you in front of My Father.

I take NT and OT scripture very seriously.

Do I think it’s screwed up that I get acquitted for my crimes? NOPE! I’m thankful that He loves me enough to forgive me.

but, you cannot use Jesus’s name as an excuse to sin.
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"I’m saying that without the Son of God willingly laying His life down we would be screwed."

How so? We'd be no worse off than we are now.we'd probably be in a better place world peace wise without this 'story' being pushed onto ppl from birth.
And as far as using Jesus's name to sin religious ppl,priests,nuns,cult leaders,anti abortion nutjobs and televangelists do this all the time with Jesus or god would want this,Jesus or god told me to do this and what your doing i consider to be a sin so I'm going to sin against you being the most common excuses they use.
 
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I know and they will answer for it. I tell everyone how I’m the least of His Kingdom, I make mistakes everyday, that’s why Jesus called the Gospels the good news.
 
Gormur said:
I just don't see how any of this is Biblical. How would a sinful person know sin if they're blind from God's presence
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No one is suffering the presence of imaginary gods.

If Yahweh was present and we did not try to kill the genocidal prick, we would be showing just how satanic we have all become.

Regards
DL
 
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