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Idiots Who Are Pro-drug and Think Drugs Are Bad for You

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Rated E said:
EDIT: If everyones sick of arguing i guess we can go back to what the threads about. Tritoch, maybe a post to put things back on track :)
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I wished I could have made a nice redeeming post on the 2nd page, but I'm too lazy :\
 
Rated E said:
Hell even if you use it responsibly you will still experience some depression and anxiety for the following few days.
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Uh, that's not true, I've known only a few people who got those effects. Most people I know, who are otherwise healthy and not regular polydrug abusers or depressed individuals, feel an afterglow that leaves them high on life for days. There are no definitive after-effects of MDMA... it's up to the individual to decide how to feel afterwards. Have some sense of personal responsibility.
 
Coolio

I disagree. I don't think it is up to the individual exclusively to decide how the next few days are going to go. I am not normally a depressed person and I have definitely felt depressing after effects from mdma that subside after a few days of TLC.
 
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Like my above post, who says neurotoxicity is the only form of damage drugs can do.
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Would you care to specify what other forms of damage a drug could do? I don't believe anything but direct toxicity to organs/tissue should be considered damage, and I really don't think many people involved in any biology research would disagree.
 
purplefirefly, depression is a choice made by the depressed person. You have complete control over your mind - every thought, emotion, feeling, sensation. If you want to pretend you don't have control, you start to act like a victim when in reality you're the perpetrator of your mental problems.
 
^^ Why do we need pharmacology training to present an opinion?
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You don't just to comment, but I believe you do before spouting off misinformation. If you don't understand how the drug works, who are you to make concrete statements about it's effects?

Seems logical to me.
 
Then you are clearly a person who has not experienced any type of depression. It's not always a question of being a "victim". I don't think anyone actually enjoys being depressed.
 
well what the OP was talking about was toxicity, ie, damaged organs or brain cells

most popular illegal drugs simply don't... eg opiates, pot, benzos, psychedelics
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but they do, as i already demonstrated.
 
Coolio. There is no point being ignorant to the negative effects of MDMA.

Other forms of damage a drug can do?
How about two physical and two mental:
Anxiety, depression, muscle deterioation, jaw tension (damage to the teeth and jaw) to name a few off the top of my head. Thats right, im talking about drug use. Those things can all be caused by drug use.
 
Coolio said:
purplefirefly, depression is a choice made by the depressed person. You have complete control over your mind - every thought, emotion, feeling, sensation. If you want to pretend you don't have control, you start to act like a victim when in reality you're the perpetrator of your mental problems.
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im sorry8o i cant believe i just read that. Depression is a mentall illness!!
The millions of people out there that have it im sure would LOVE to choose to be happy and be on there merry way but sadly thats not a possibility. Otherwise i believe they would do so.

By you saying that i doubt you have been close to a truely depressed person because otherwise you would have some sort of an understand of the true nature of it.

sori off topic
 
Coolio said:
Would you care to specify what other forms of damage a drug could do? I don't believe anything but direct toxicity to organs/tissue should be considered damage, and I really don't think many people involved in any biology research would disagree.
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Good for you, i disagree.
 
trancegirle said:
im sorry8o i cant believe i just read that. Depression is a mentall illness!!
The millions of people out there that have it im sure would LOVE to choose to be happy and be on there merry way but sadly thats not a possibility. Otherwise i believe they would do so.

By you saying that i doubt you have been close to a truely depressed person because otherwise you would have some sort of an understand of the true nature of it.

sori off topic
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THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

I have never read such an ignorant statement in my whole fucking life.

EDIT: The "ignorant statement" was in reference to Coolio's statement and not yours. Looking back, it didn't seem that clear. :)
 
Coolio said:
purplefirefly, depression is a choice made by the depressed person. You have complete control over your mind - every thought, emotion, feeling, sensation. If you want to pretend you don't have control, you start to act like a victim when in reality you're the perpetrator of your mental problems.
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Like purplefirefly and trancegirlie said. I dont think you've ever experienced any real case of depression. It is a mental illness. Id prefer it if you didnt spread false information about it. Especially as i have been through it myself.

The offence you take to people spreading what you consider false information about drugs can be compared to the false information you are spreading about a mental illness.
 
I really like how you left out stimulants from your list of "popular" drugs. Because stimulants definitely are not popular, and they definitely don't cause any NEGATIVE long term effects.
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i understand that stimulants are toxic. that's why i left them out of my list of nontoxic drugs

my point was that most popular recreational drugs don't do the damage some people think they do. notice i said 'most' popular drugs, not all

the whole point of this thread, is that there are idiots who think all recreational drugs do horrible damage and they still take the drugs. that's why the topic is supposed to stay on physical damage, and why the original post makes sense. statements that are 'anti drug' have their place and can be accurate, but this thread is about the toxicity of nontoxic drugs! it's four pages of misunderstandings
 
Would you care to specify what other forms of damage a drug could do? I don't believe anything but direct toxicity to organs/tissue should be considered damage, and I really don't think many people involved in any biology research would disagree.
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Well I'm not sure where you pulled the biology statement from, but in medicine we are taught extensive pharmacology. When we consider the effects of drugs, we look at EVERY deviation from homeostasis that results from the administration, even down to the cellular level.

I'm sure if you put recreational drugs under this kind of scrutiny, their effect on the body would be very significant.
 
When we consider the effects of drugs, we look at EVERY deviation from homeostasis that results from the administration, even down to the cellular level.

I'm sure if you put recreational drugs under this kind of scrutiny, their effect on the body would be very significant.
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uh no. OP was not talking about excessive usage. many drugs are either so close to endogenous molecules or in many cases ARE endogenous molecules. many recreational drugs simply aren't toxic when not used excessively
 
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