I was all set on trying mdma until...

[Folley]

Exactly this guy understands, then if k isn't good what's the safest rave drug? (Not weed)

You don't understand. At all, kid. If you can't use MDMA responsibly, you can't use ANY drug responsibly.



You can use any drug you want and be just fine, if you do it SAFELY. It doesn't matter what drug you do, if you abuse it you WILL receive some nasty negative side effects from it... but if you just use it like someone who is responsible, that's not a problem.

Unfortunately, I don't think you can do that.

For a one off thing at your age K would be the safest.

I'm going to need to see some proof before I allow this to stand. I completely disagree with you.



Why is ketamine safer than LSD? It's completely non-toxic...

Why is it safer than cocaine? You snort both

Why is using MDMA one time so much more damaging than using ketamine once?

Is alcohol better or worse for you than ketamine?




Any drug is damaging. Ketamine especially has been known to be very addictive in certain people. Saying any drug is safe is really bad HR, they all have the potential to ruin lives, especially when he is so young.

I'm not even against young people using drugs, I'm only 17 myself. I'm extremely again irresponsible people taking drugs though. You give the rest of us a bad name.

 

[severely etarded]

Your frying your brain I really don't need this discrimination though. Its not appreciated.

dude, 99% of all cocaine has levamisole. Levamisole rots your flesh. These are facts. Trust me, I'm 22.5 years and done a fair share of levamisole cocaine, and now the cartilage in my nose is super thin. It's gross, imagine the tip of your nose being loose! I regret it! My best friend got agranulocytosis which led to leukemia, then death! Trust me, you don't want to end up a crack fiend in MD anderson, sick, weak, getting chemo therapy while you pray for a bone marrow transplant!

Cocaine is rarely pure these days. The cartels add levamisole to it at the upper distribution level, then the street gangs cut it again, resulting in samples as bad as 50% coke 50% levamisole. Nasty, nasty shit.

relatively pure cocaine HCl is supposed to be a crystalline (shiny) powder, not this fluffy white powder shit that burns your nose going up, before numbing. Really pure coke cleans your sinuses and you can do it all night and not even hardly have a hangover. The shit nowadays is nasty!! It's not the 90's anymore . I used to be a cokehead, and found good coke TWICE out of about 100+, And I had excellent connects...

Truth is, ever since IRAN Contra, the killing of pablo escobar, the CIA has been doing some real dirty shit, teaching the cartels dirty tricks...

Levamisole is most likely used because once you mix it in the coke, you can't get it out-- even if you make crack/freebase, it's still in there!

 

[crackhead420]

dude, 99% of all cocaine has levamisole. Levamisole rots your flesh. These are facts. Trust me, I'm 22.5 years and done a fair share of levamisole cocaine, and now the cartilage in my nose is super thin. It's gross, imagine the tip of your nose being loose! I regret it! My best friend got agranulocytosis which led to leukemia, then death! Trust me, you don't want to end up a crack fiend in MD anderson, sick, weak, getting chemo therapy while you pray for a bone marrow transplant!

Cocaine is rarely pure these days. The cartels add levamisole to it at the upper distribution level, then the street gangs cut it again, resulting in samples as bad as 50% coke 50% levamisole. Nasty, nasty shit.

relatively pure cocaine HCl is supposed to be a crystalline (shiny) powder, not this fluffy white powder shit that burns your nose going up, before numbing. Really pure coke cleans your sinuses and you can do it all night and not even hardly have a hangover. The shit nowadays is nasty!! It's not the 90's anymore . I used to be a cokehead, and found good coke TWICE out of about 100+, And I had excellent connects...

Truth is, ever since IRAN Contra, the killing of pablo escobar, the CIA has been doing some real dirty shit, teaching the cartels dirty tricks...

Levamisole is most likely used because once you mix it in the coke, you can't get it out-- even if you make crack/freebase, it's still in there!

I have 0 intentions of doing coke...

 

[crackhead420]

You don't understand. At all, kid. If you can't use MDMA responsibly, you can't use ANY drug responsibly.



You can use any drug you want and be just fine, if you do it SAFELY. It doesn't matter what drug you do, if you abuse it you WILL receive some nasty negative side effects from it... but if you just use it like someone who is responsible, that's not a problem.

Unfortunately, I don't think you can do that.





I'm going to need to see some proof before I allow this to stand. I completely disagree with you.



Why is ketamine safer than LSD? It's completely non-toxic...

Why is it safer than cocaine? You snort both

Why is using MDMA one time so much more damaging than using ketamine once?

Is alcohol better or worse for you than ketamine?




Any drug is damaging. Ketamine especially has been known to be very addictive in certain people. Saying any drug is safe is really bad HR, they all have the potential to ruin lives, especially when he is so young.

I'm not even against young people using drugs, I'm only 17 myself. I'm extremely again irresponsible people taking drugs though. You give the rest of us a bad name.

Firstly I understand ketamine can be very addictive but I'm not gonna do it often, I used to smoke once a week so I think I can control drug use, mdma is worse for you than ketamine especially if your a child because ketamine is given to kids at hospitals, mdma you can overdose on but ketamine its hard too and I won't even get in a k hole if I do small bumps, ketamine is only a class c, weed is a class b and mdma is a Class A...

 

[Chesh]

Never pay attention to what class a drug is, it's bullshit. Ketamine is only a C because if it was a B or an A there would be too many complications with using it in medical settings. A lot of Class A drugs should be Class B or C.

The drug classifications are not based on any reasonable evidence.

 

[Chesh]

I'm going to need to see some proof before I allow this to stand. I completely disagree with you.



Why is ketamine safer than LSD? It's completely non-toxic...

Why is it safer than cocaine? You snort both

Why is using MDMA one time so much more damaging than using ketamine once?

Is alcohol better or worse for you than ketamine?




Any drug is damaging. Ketamine especially has been known to be very addictive in certain people. Saying any drug is safe is really bad HR, they all have the potential to ruin lives, especially when he is so young.

I'm not even against young people using drugs, I'm only 17 myself. I'm extremely again irresponsible people taking drugs though. You give the rest of us a bad name.

No proof just going on my gut really. LSD might be safer, but not suitable for the environment he wants to do it in (free raves are grimey).

Cocaine is more dangerous for obvious reasons (easier to OD etc.) I don't think the fact they share the same ROA means anything, I'm not too educated on neurotoxicity of Cocaine though. I'm fairly sure Cocaine has higher potential for addiction than Ketamine, but as you said some people can get incredibly addicted to ketamine really easily. The only people I've ever seen become ket addicts though are the ones who do it fairly regularly and K-hole. I've never had cravings to just bump ketamine and get a bit wonky. This is just from my experience though.

I think the fact he's come here and asked questions shows he's not as irresponsible as a lot of kids his age. Most 15 year olds going to free raves would just take whatever anyone handed them and binge on it. In my opinion ketamine would be the best choice for a one off thing. I think because MDMA feels so amazing and magical he might end up doing it more than he planned at his age, while bumping ketamine isn't as amazing but it's still good fun and lets you enjoy the music.

Really it all depends on how well he can moderate his use, which is impossible to accurately judge over the internet.

 

[futura2012]

You need to do a lot of ketamine quite regularly to damage your bladder and to get K-pain.

Im not so sure you can be this specific. I think it is different for everyone. The important message is Ketamine can fuck up your bladder and if it happens its very unpleasant.

Doing ketamine in moderation is going to be less damaging to a developing brain than doing MDMA in moderation will be.

I dont think you can be this specific. Exact dose, exact frequency. There are so many variables the only thing we can be sure of is both drugs have different actions and both can be very dangerous if abused.

Saying one type of illicit drug is safer or less damaging than another is highly subjective.

For a one off thing at your age K would be the safest.

Can you shed some light on this claim?

Any drug is damaging. Ketamine especially has been known to be very addictive in certain people. Saying any drug is safe is really bad HR, they all have the potential to ruin lives, especially when he is so young.

I would have to second this. Saying one drug is safe or is better in some way is extremely subjective and in my opinion gives out the wrong message.

Ahh thanks and yeah since I'm 15 ill stick to weed and ketamine not cocaine and md
Flawed logic is flawed.
Instead of snorting a drug made from a plant and another one synthesized in a lab, I'm going to smoke a plant and use a drug synthesized in a lab.
If you're not responsible enough to use MDMA, you're certainly not responsible enough to use ketamine. Or even smoke weed, to be 100% honest with you.

I agree with this also.

I think that any argument about a drug being natural or synthetic as a result making it safer, better, unsafe or worse is total nonsense.

THC can be synthetic made in a lab. THC can be found naturally in plants.

Cocaine can be 100% synthetic. Cocaine can start life as a cocoa leaf and the synth can begin from here. All the plant is really doing is saving a lot of extra synthesis as the structure from the leaf is close to the desired molecule.

You could argue LSD is 'natural' as the structure of Lysergic Acid is found in certain Fungus and Plants. Can you make LSD without plants YES. Is often LSD made using plants YES.

You could argue MDMA is effectively natural as many essential oils are very close in structure to MDMA. Some MDMA is made without safrol at all.

Does any of this make a drug safe or better? It certainly does not.

The argument that weed or mushrooms are safe cause they are natural is total BS.

Every drug is different or unique. Every drug is a totally different compound with its own individual characteristics.

 

[lightforce]

I also said at one that I would only do Ketamine once in a while, now I probably do it up to 15 days out of a month. Just because you say that, once you actually have the drug in your system all bets are off. I'm sorry but once your brain likes what that drug makes you feel/experience it will overcome your willpower to not do said drug.

No drug is safe, how do we now that said drug is not going to cause a complication or something of the like and kill you? You can't say one drug is any better than the other.

Also I'm going to throw this out there but when I first started doing ketamine after a night of doing it my bladder wasn't exactly feeling to hot, hurt to pee and my pee was dark, dark yellow. Further down the line when it got real bad I was having to pee every 30 minutes, my one friend fucked up his bladder so bad he's now on methadone for the pain and he has to pee every 10-15 min. He also has a medicinal MJ license too.

You have a whole lifetime to try/do drugs, why would you want to start so early and potentially ruin your life at a young age.

 

[crackhead420]

I also said at one that I would only do Ketamine once in a while, now I probably do it up to 15 days out of a month. Just because you say that, once you actually have the drug in your system all bets are off. I'm sorry but once your brain likes what that drug makes you feel/experience it will overcome your willpower to not do said drug.

No drug is safe, how do we now that said drug is not going to cause a complication or something of the like and kill you? You can't say one drug is any better than the other.

Also I'm going to throw this out there but when I first started doing ketamine after a night of doing it my bladder wasn't exactly feeling to hot, hurt to pee and my pee was dark, dark yellow. Further down the line when it got real bad I was having to pee every 30 minutes, my one friend fucked up his bladder so bad he's now on methadone for the pain and he has to pee every 10-15 min. He also has a medicinal MJ license too.

You have a whole lifetime to try/do drugs, why would you want to start so early and potentially ruin your life at a young age.

Ruin my life... I researched ketamine and found out they give it to BABIES so it can't even be that damaging, plus its a class C here while weeds a class B...

 

[Cycik]

The people telling you to stay away from drugs are saying that because they made the same mistake when they were younger and thought they would be fine as well. The joys of being young and short sighted...
But as other posters said you won't listen so what can we do but try give you HR advice.

 

[Clean_Cut]

I started when I was 19...and even that felt a little young, but I guess we all start 'too young'.

BUT PLEASE PLEASE...give it at least a couple of years before getting into these harder drugs. Your still at a critical age of developing and you have many years ahead to try this stuff later!!!!

 

[Chesh]

Ruin my life... I researched ketamine and found out they give it to BABIES so it can't even be that damaging, plus its a class C here while weeds a class B...

The classifications for drugs in this country are bullshit. Ketamine is more damaging, especially when it comes to addiction, than weed imo.

 

[Darksidesam]

The difference when ketamine is used in a hospital setting, is that it is administered by a health professional in the correct dosage for needed application, and you can't tap that dr on the shoulder when you come back to reality and ask him for a number or a connect.

Any addiction will be heavily influenced on Availability, Your reason to do that particular drug and money situation.
If i could legally buy ketamine, i would simply buy the highest finest grade in vials 4 times a year MAX

 

[lightforce]

I said POTENTIALLY . You could POTENTIALLY ruin your life. I didn't say you ARE going to ruin your life.

But seriously, wait at least a few more years.

 

[Renz Envy]

Ruining your life with anything different than a health complication due to a misuse of drugs is a subjective argument.

I can vouch and say that taking any drug at any age can ruin your "life".

Meet Tom, a great guy with a wife and kids. Tom just did heroin. Tom just did heroin again. Tom likes to stay at home when he does heroin; he gets fired. Tom's wife files for divorce and takes the kids. Tom gets evicted and now lives in an empty flat across town. Tom didn't ruin his life in his eyes, because he likes heroin more than his old life.

Kyle Danderson, a 17 year old from Ohio, just smoked his first bowl of meth. Oh man. His life is ruined now. At 26 he's working a job he hates because of the meth. Kyle loves to blame everything, but himself for his problems. He wouldn't have gotten pulled over an arrested for that DWI if it hadn't been meth. Now he's 30 and quit hard drugs. But oh! his life is ruined. He'd be in his private yacht if it weren't for the meth! Kyle loves to talk about how he's clean now and tells everyone how bad meth was for his life. Everyone knows Kyle as the ex-meth addict.

Society hates Tom, but as long as he's happy, then that is all that matters.

Kyle would have ruined his life and ended up miserable no matter what, because of his mental viewpoint.