I think I may sleep too much idk if its just me or an indicator of something?

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Title pretty much says it all -- I am in my 30s and find myself quite lethargic, tired after going grocery shopping. Sleeping about 12 hours a day -- which made sense back when I was on a ton of CNS depressants but now I am not so sure.

I do smoke a ton of pot and dab hits. I also have insomnia so I can't really sleep when I want, but when I can I am grateful.

Could just be boredom/cabin fever. Thoughts opinions? (Do I need to see a doctor I don't want that in the least lol)

 

[Deleted member 507397]

I think I'm sleep disabled, actually at my last job I might have actually experienced narcolepsy. I think it's abuse and neglect, they denied me ssdi until I was a real marginalized victim who just wanted to smoke and binge and purge and sleep all day. I think I'm like a disabled cat or something, I'd sleep all the time if I had to, I really think 40 hours a week is too much!

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I am a diagnosed insomniac so it is an odd combination of lethargy and inability to sleep. (I did not realize anyone replied sorry)

I am on CNS depressants for said insomnia -- I have cut them back a bit. Also scripted sub (Thats two) and alledgedly I drink on occasion (That is a CNS triangle of death I know). I also smoke pot chronically and had a benadryl habit. (That is kind of the thing I use to need SOO much just to sleep at night) -- Maybe this is a sign of stress going away and actually a good thing? I am sure af glad I am not in triple digit benzo land anymore (and not valium).

An odd thing happens to me when I take mushrooms (although its been a good year) on the comeup I begin to nod? Counterintuitive

Since I made this thread I have been documenting my sleep at around 9-10 hours a day. (Not quite bad as I thought) Usually 2 or 3 3-4 hour 'sleeps' per day. Not the way the human schedule is arranged.

 

[pixies+]

alledgedly I drink on occasion

 

[rentedbythehour]

I went thru that when I was in my 30s. I had already been seeing a neurologist/sleep specialist for migraines so it wasn't really a big deal to get a sleep study done. I was diagnosed with idiopathic hypersomnia. It's kinda like narcolepsy, which most people have a complete misconception of what it actually is. Narcolepsy is feeling excessively tired throughout the day, and sometimes you need to take a nap. Insomnia usually goes along with other sleep disorders. You're either sleeping, or not. My PCP thought I was sleeping so much because of a virus. He thought I had cytomegalovirus (CMV) because my blood work showed titers.
Honestly if you feel ok otherwise, and you don't have a schedule that is getting messed up by your sleep routine, I wouldn't worry about it too much. You are getting enough sleep, although it's in shifts. As long as you can work around that, I think it's fine. If it's disrupting your life and creating major issues, maybe talk to a Dr. There are so many reasons your sleep can be off. Stress, illness, circadian rhythms, sleep disorders, sleep apnea, medications, etc. The only question I want to ask you is, when you sleep do you dream? Are they vivid? Do you have dreams even if you only sleep for 20 min or so? I'm asking because it usually takes several hours for people to enter REM sleep. That's when you dream. If you are entering it very shortly after you fall asleep, I suggest seeing someone. That is a sign of narcolepsy or IH.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Honestly if you feel ok otherwise, and you don't have a schedule that is getting messed up by your sleep routine, I wouldn't worry about it too much. You are getting enough sleep, although it's in shifts. As long as you can work around that, I think it's fine.

That is about what I rested on -- but figured I would ask for good measure.

When I sleep do I dream? Usually not. I have a recurring nightmare where I get trapped in a metro city with the losers I use to go there with and my luck ran out. That one is intense and lucid in the way that during the dream I am making decisions, different ones that alter the course of the nightmare -- never ends well though!

I am going to say the 'dreams' tend to come at the end of sleep -- prolly don't start till (Idk cuz I'm asleep I spose) but feels like a half hour to an hour at least. I wake up from 3 hour naps out of dreams - sounds about right to fall into REM sleep than get pulled out?

I was concerned my father had narcolepsy towards the end of his life --- same kind of thing though lots of CNS depressants (Some stimulants even). But he once fell asleep standing in a gasstation at like 4 AM -- "Running to the gas station" -- Alright cool could ya grab me a soda --- Im doing w/e and realize "Oh shite about an hour has passed" so I walk down there he is asleep on his feet in front of a cooler. Employee did not know what to do --- "I got this, dude is way overworked and underslept" not a lie.

The man was a full time professor (PhD, tenure, validictorian, Suma cum laude, blah blah) and took it very seriously -- one of his biggest fears was falling asleep mid lecture and in fact he had me 'audit' the class a few days that were particularly rough just to make sure things stayed on course. They did of course he was a professional. Still irked me though.

 

[rentedbythehour]

At my worst, I was sleeping 20 hours a day. I would wake up to use the bathroom and eat something like cereal. I could not wake up. It felt like my body just completely shut down. That lasted 6 weeks. After that, it took months for me to feel even semi normal. A trip to the grocery store would end with me sleeping 3-4 hours. Everything exhausted me. I figured out that is how I respond to really stressful situations. I have no control over it.
Back when I was working in the operating room, I know a study came out about people who chronically did not get enough sleep. I'll see if I can find it somewhere. It goes into great detail about what happens to our bodies even getting less than 6 hours of sleep a night. It's an old study so I'm sure there are more recent ones out there.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1217154110

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Honestly if you feel ok otherwise, and you don't have a schedule that is getting messed up by your sleep routine, I wouldn't worry about it too much. You are getting enough sleep, although it's in shifts. As long as you can work around that, I think it's fine.

That is about what I rested on -- but figured I would ask for good measure.

When I sleep do I dream? Usually not. I have a recurring nightmare where I get trapped in a metro city with the losers I use to go there with and my luck ran out. That one is intense and lucid in the way that during the dream I am making decisions, different ones that alter the course of the nightmare -- never ends well though!

I am going to say the 'dreams' tend to come at the end of sleep -- prolly don't start till (Idk cuz I'm asleep I spose) but feels like a half hour to an hour at least. I wake up from 3 hour naps out of dreams - sounds about right to fall into REM sleep than get pulled out?

That is not how sleep fase s in my earlier year s went like, most of the times i was gradually lifted from my dream s, and probably often forgetting them.

But it is the correct fase to wake from. Last night 1.5 days now of insomnia. Had a crazy nightmare, 2. One a reality internet live stream of Rapper s 'Steen en Spinal'.
[who i am not gonna listen for a while] And one about a mate, who i haven t seen over 20 years who made minimal Techno with a mini sampler/ ;oop device. Repatetavely "daar weardt ik dan wel Kanker gek van" non Lucid, so not controllable. and on.

Didn t feel like sleeping. Alcohol now a days wakes me 4.5 hour s after a Fase 4/ part 1. Pulled right from it. And done, no sleep till Brooklyn.

I was concerned my father had narcolepsy towards the end of his life --- same kind of thing though lots of CNS depressants (Some stimulants even). But he once fell asleep standing in a gasstation at like 4 AM -- "Running to the gas station" -- Alright cool could ya grab me a soda --- Im doing w/e and realize "Oh shite about an hour has passed" so I walk down there he is asleep on his feet in front of a cooler. Employee did not know what to do --- "I got this, dude is way overworked and underslept" not a lie.

The man was a full time professor (PhD, tenure, validictorian, Suma cum laude, blah blah) and took it very seriously -- one of his biggest fears was falling asleep mid lecture and in fact he had me 'audit' the class a few days that were particularly rough just to make sure things stayed on course. They did of course he was a professional. Still irked me though.

Now reading this, might be i f....d [ fried ] my brain with GHB/ GBL dependency.
My Sleep-paralysis started after introducing that to MDMA. Drugs and Health, go together .. not so well. Still around though N0tsm0keypOt, feel bit weird though.

After 1 1/2 day no sleep

 

[jasperkent]

In the past, my depression manifested as fatigue/lethargy. I would not have described my mood as "sad," just "blah."

I do take 5mg melatonin nightly, but what helps me most is to maintain a regular sleep/awake cycle. I never nap, even if I really want to. Instead, I hit the sack at about the same time every night and then get up about the same time every day-- on both workdays & offdays.

I get about 7.5 hours of sleep every night and very rarely have trouble falling asleep. I generally feel well-rested.

 

[rentedbythehour]

In the past, my depression manifested as fatigue/lethargy. I would not have described my mood as "sad," just "blah."

I do take 5mg melatonin nightly, but what helps me most is to maintain a regular sleep/awake cycle. I never nap, even if I really want to. Instead, I hit the sack at about the same time every night and then get up about the same time every day-- on both workdays & offdays.

I get about 7.5 hours of sleep every night and very rarely have trouble falling asleep. I generally feel well-rested.

I wish it could do this. I take lunesta, clonazepam and a muscle relaxer at bedtime and still I can't sleep most nights. If I do fall asleep, it's only for a few hours. For some reason, when I'm awake for a day or two, I can be completely exhausted, lethargic, no motivation, but the later it gets, the more awake I get. I was never like this when I was younger. I'd have no trouble falling asleep. It wasn't until I had idiopathic hypersomnia that my sleep really changed. I have been on both sides of the spectrum. Sleeping 20+ hours a day for weeks on end to not being able to sleep at all. I wish it would just meet in the middle somewhere, find that happy medium.

 

[Deleted member 576750]

there are many different causes of daytime somnolence and lethargy. some basic ones that your physician can help you knock out easily with a few tests are vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency, iron levels, vitamin B, and sleep apnea

if you tell your doctor how you feel they should order most of these tests to see where you're at, that should give you a good baseline idea of what might need to be addressed

something else I've found for myself is that consuming enough salt is super important, if I don't get enough salt and magnesium I won't be able to sleep and I'll feel tired as shit during the day

its important to have a solid baseline of nutrition and hydration before any other deeper issues can really be discovered, which may not even exist. it could be super simple and solved by supplements or changes to diet

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Those first three are pretty plausible, actually sleep apnea isn't completely out of the picture but I'd think I woulda noticed.

I do not have a doctor nor trust the ones that are offered so if I go in there I want there to be a problem (To be succinct)

Salt I am probably good on as American (But maybe not I'll look into it)

Thank you guys for the insight and a couple things to try -- in my late 30s for those speculating on age correlation

 

[Deleted member 576750]

I know a lot of people have had bad experiences with doctors, I'm one of them. it can take some time and effort to find good care but it's out there. I'm a fan of medical schools because you get someone who is fresh out of med school with the latest info and they haven't been crushed by the system yet. maybe not for surgery

any doctor should order basic tests for those symptoms and I usually ask for tests when I'm trying to figure something out. a relationship with a physician is a two way street, it's a collaboration. treating people is hard because you only know what the patient tells you and what the tests tell you

magnesium is a pretty commonly used supplement in the US, many tend to eat a diet lower in veggies which is where a large amount of magnesium comes from in the diet. its definitely a supplement that's helped me in the past

I thought I would have noticed sleep apnea as well but my wife actually told me "oh you do that" when I was explaining what sleep apnea was to her... told my Dr and they were like "oh let's do a sleep study"

it seems like more people are getting diagnosed because awareness is rising and people are getting tested, getting it treated gives more energy in the day and can lower bp too. I think it's a good thing to have in mind as we get older

I genuinely hope you can find a good physician, its honestly life changing to feel good on a day to day basis after getting things figured out

 

[rentedbythehour]

I have to say I was lucky enough to have a fantastic Dr. My neurologist, who I'd already been seeing about migraines was also a sleep specialist. I don't know if that's a specialty that just goes together but my old neurologist was also a sleep specialist.
I do like the idea of younger Drs (especially surgeons). They haven't had the time to get burnt out and still have a bit of empathy. A lot of Drs don't have the best bedside manor but I have to remind myself that this is what they do day in and day out. Most of them have seen and heard just about everything you can imagine. The compassion tends to wear off after a while. Finding a good one, that you connect with, is important. It's not impossible but is getting harder to do these days.
I also hope you find a good doctor. It's been about 15 years since I went through my phase of new symptoms, not having a clue what was going on, the exhaustion, the stress, the worry, trying to figure out what the hell was going on. It's a relief to get answers. I hope that day comes for you soon.

 

[rentedbythehour]

vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency, iron levels, vitamin B, and sleep apnea

On another note, if you live anywhere far enough from the equator that you experience 8 hours or less of daylight any time of the year, vit D is essential. Even if you don't go outside often, take it. I think a normal dose is 2000iu daily. I tend to run low so I take 10000iu daily year round. there are so many things affected by vit d that you would never think of. Magnesium is another one that I've been looking into lately. It is possible to have too much magnesium so testing your levels or at least talking to a Dr before starting a supplement would be smart. Same with vit b. Also a lot of people with sleep apnea have no clue they have it. It's more than just snoring. You stop breathing. You constantly wake up feeling almost as if you haven't slept at all. Both my mom and my son have it. My son is 24 and the only time he feels like he's had a good restful sleep is when they put him under to have his esophagus scoped.
Btw I was in my mid 30s when my sleep issues started as well.

 

[foodcrisis]

i sometimes find myself sleeping too much... if i exercise and get good breathing patterns, it tends to help me stay awake through the day and then sleep at night generally sleeping less hours and feeling more rested. i get get in cycles of oversleeping where i will just feel lethargic 24/7 if i don't get going and exercise...

sometimes even with a few cups of coffee, i can find myself passing out in the middle of the day, even with 12 hours sleep, but if i go for a walk and do some stretching i will be be able to stay awake and sleep less through out the day... at one point i was sleeping like 14-16 hours a day with the naps i was taking and when i started exercising, that cut my sleeping to like 8-10 hours.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

there are many different causes of daytime somnolence and lethargy. some basic ones that your physician can help you knock out easily with a few tests are vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency, iron levels, vitamin B, and sleep apnea

if you tell your doctor how you feel they should order most of these tests to see where you're at, that should give you a good baseline idea of what might need to be addressed

something else I've found for myself is that consuming enough salt is super important, if I don't get enough salt and magnesium I won't be able to sleep and I'll feel tired as shit during the day

its important to have a solid baseline of nutrition and hydration before any other deeper issues can really be discovered, which may not even exist. it could be super simple and solved by supplements or changes to diet

So what if the person, me, is pretty sure is in the green for:
food/ supplement s/ physically fit. And old problem s re-appear.
Insomnia, after a [went un-noticeable till yesterday-ish ago.
Seizure last week somewhere Thursday
night after running 3.5 kn out of the blue.

That could be explainable a bit, as i was tapering Booze.
Especially that running-man day. "you can run but you can t hide"
Few sparks of stress to start the fire, had a insomnia period about 2.5 year.
Which was solved eventually by luck due to Diazepam, during my 2-nd Booze taper.
This the 4-th/ 6-th seizure, despite not having much faith in my only option.
been through the thread now.

Btw i wanted to look if Melatonin, sorted also that day.
Could be response-able, seems it s a anti-seizure/ epileptic add-on in study, pro messing. Maybe, indeed a visit to the other dr/ home-physician, met her once.
She even asked me "for this other thing you seem to be dealing with, you might wanna make a appointement with me. Talk some more about it. Empathy

ps: had a slep exam/ ok no apneu/ but spoken said: don t sleep on your back ? ***
And a slight alteration in timing of the arhitecture/ and lenght of Fase 4 [OP]
During my stay for the seizure no case was found, no epilepsy.
[indication Apneu afaik ].

When i took Levetiracetam i had super lucid dream s, absurd. Tune in, turn on/ drop out. Sadly it didn t prevent the 3 following and .... not being able to -gasm. Ughh.

If i would sleep 2/ 3 days/ week. Insomnia is a side effect as well as lucid nightmare s.
That a.o. is what fear s me about dr. s they are super paranoid for there own rep.
But don t seem to grasp on several occasion s, it were killed me, the institute d s.
Like most don t appreciate me knowing as much as them, and be treated as equal.
So won t do anything with it, but will take any addictive med from me.


Continuous stating how addicting it is, i disagree, Amphetamine s or Benzo s.
Are tools, medicine. The last almost impossible to avoid dealing with insomnia.
But if a dr say s it better to endure the pain then get .. to it. So already assumed.
Now i have the deal with the shit of that medical error. Do they run on Microsoft or so.
My dr s shop does, so he don t know much bout PC s, less then me.

Last night of insomnia nr. 2 and a 1/2. Wicked dream, doing a trip report on it.
Wicked from the moment i tamed it and was lucid so could go in out.
Which will hopefully tonight work better, as i feel i did 10 work-out s.
Last night. Flipping my body over, due to the shit-sol dream s.

They were more real then reality, wonder what was the trigger.
That was def not Alcohol, been doing this worse before.
For a while. But a trip-report it is wort.
Effect s like described with Dramamine and such.
Dreamt a non existing movie 3 times, some part s double

And reading all the bulk sleep changing if it persist s.
Point to to 'go see the dr' stick s, i am gonna. With her.

 

[Deleted member 576750]

So what if the person, me, is pretty sure is in the green for:
food/ supplement s/ physically fit. And old problem s re-appear.
Insomnia, after a [went un-noticeable till yesterday-ish ago.
Seizure last week somewhere Thursday
night after running 3.5 kn out of the blue.

That could be explainable a bit, as i was tapering Booze.
Especially that running-man day. "you can run but you can t hide"
Few sparks of stress to start the fire, had a insomnia period about 2.5 year.
Which was solved eventually by luck due to Diazepam, during my 2-nd Booze taper.
This the 4-th/ 6-th seizure, despite not having much faith in my only option.
been through the thread now.

Btw i wanted to look if Melatonin, sorted also that day.
Could be response-able, seems it s a anti-seizure/ epileptic add-on in study, pro messing. Maybe, indeed a visit to the other dr/ home-physician, met her once.
She even asked me "for this other thing you seem to be dealing with, you might wanna make a appointement with me. Talk some more about it. Empathy

ps: had a slep exam/ ok no apneu/ but spoken said: don t sleep on your back ? ***
And a slight alteration in timing of the arhitecture/ and lenght of Fase 4 [OP]
During my stay for the seizure no case was found, no epilepsy.
[indication Apneu afaik ].

When i took Levetiracetam i had super lucid dream s, absurd. Tune in, turn on/ drop out. Sadly it didn t prevent the 3 following and .... not being able to -gasm. Ughh.

If i would sleep 2/ 3 days/ week. Insomnia is a side effect as well as lucid nightmare s.
That a.o. is what fear s me about dr. s they are super paranoid for there own rep.
But don t seem to grasp on several occasion s, it were killed me, the institute d s.
Like most don t appreciate me knowing as much as them, and be treated as equal.
So won t do anything with it, but will take any addictive med from me.


Continuous stating how addicting it is, i disagree, Amphetamine s or Benzo s.
Are tools, medicine. The last almost impossible to avoid dealing with insomnia.
But if a dr say s it better to endure the pain then get .. to it. So already assumed.
Now i have the deal with the shit of that medical error. Do they run on Microsoft or so.
My dr s shop does, so he don t know much bout PC s, less then me.

Last night of insomnia nr. 2 and a 1/2. Wicked dream, doing a trip report on it.
Wicked from the moment i tamed it and was lucid so could go in out.
Which will hopefully tonight work better, as i feel i did 10 work-out s.
Last night. Flipping my body over, due to the shit-sol dream s.

They were more real then reality, wonder what was the trigger.
That was def not Alcohol, been doing this worse before.
For a while. But a trip-report it is wort.
Effect s like described with Dramamine and such.
Dreamt a non existing movie 3 times, some part s double

And reading all the bulk sleep changing if it persist s.
Point to to 'go see the dr' stick s, i am gonna. With her.

well once you have that solid baseline is the time to start digging deeper and analuzing what else could be causing issues, its one step at a time being methodical with minimal variable changes at each step backed up by empirical evidence. that's the core of evidence based medicine

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I've been this way lately.

I have to nap every couple of hours. Even if I've slept 12hrs. Within a few hours I'll be ready for a nap. And I'm so god awful tired all the time.
I'm constantly chugging caffeine to stay awake, even though it doesn't work, I just end up with a fast heart rate.


I almost feel narcoleptic most days. But I chalk mine up to being on buprenorphine. And gabapentin. And benzos. And a lot of weed.
But oddly, I'll have times where I have lots of energy & then times where I can't stay awake all day without 2-3 mini "naps".


I find that if I fast or go without eating for awhile, I actually have more energy than if I were to be eating every day. I think our food in the US poison too.

 

[Deleted member 576750]

I've been this way lately.

I have to nap every couple of hours. Even if I've slept 12hrs. Within a few hours I'll be ready for a nap. And I'm so god awful tired all the time.
I'm constantly chugging caffeine to stay awake, even though it doesn't work, I just end up with a fast heart rate.


I almost feel narcoleptic most days. But I chalk mine up to being on buprenorphine. And gabapentin. And benzos. And a lot of weed.
But oddly, I'll have times where I have lots of energy & then times where I can't stay awake all day without 2-3 mini "naps".


I find that if I fast or go without eating for awhile, I actually have more energy than if I were to be eating every day. I think our food in the US poison too.

fasting increases cortisol which can promote wakefulness but its a stress related hormone

I found I needed to consistently eat more fats and I feel much better. diet is super important