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I Like to Draw Pictures of Random Molecules

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thenightwatch said:
"oh hey, one of my idols is a man who is considered an enemy of the DEA. wanna chat about it?"

/facepalm.
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He's not an enemy, he is a FRIEND, that is my point. They don't hate him, they are just confused by him because he won't teach them anything more. He just says "I am a modest chemist at my work bench".
 
ShaggyFin said:
I never said it did, I literally said I am not a chemist and that I would need help.
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and yet when we try to help you, you don't listen

ShaggyFin said:
He's not an enemy, he is a FRIEND, that is my point. They don't hate him, they are just confused by him because he won't teach them anything more. He just says "I am a modest chemist at my work bench".
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so when the DEA raided Shulgin's house they were just coming over for tea and cookies?
 
thenightwatch said:
so when the DEA raided Shulgin's house they were just coming over for tea and cookies?
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No, they were making sure he wasn't doing anything illegal because they had no leads for anything anywhere and they know what he does.

thenightwatch said:
and yet when we try to help you, you don't listen
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I don't want help tearing myself a new asshole. I want help pondering what we can do with this. Ex: Medicine with better access across the BBB
 
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thenightwatch said:
no one is trying to tear you a new asshole. if we're telling you that you're not ready to be attempting novel organic syntheses in your basement it is for your own good. perhaps sad to you, but it is true.
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Ok, thank you.

I solemnly swear that I am not going to be attempting organic synthesis in my basement. I have a bible or a qu'ran or Pihkal and Tihkal if you would like me to swear on one of them.

You have brought that point home, can we move on now.
 
You can't expect to learn and get ahead if you are not able to tell right from wrong. That is absolutely necessary for the scientific / experimental method to find answers, otherwise there is no way of telling what is true or not.

If you refuse to accept all the things that are wrong here (which we have sound arguments for), it is hopeless. You would just be feeding your own fantasies, deluding yourself that things like alchemy are going to help you find what you are looking for.

So which is it? Are you just talking to yourself and convincing yourself that all of this will really work, evidence to the contrary? Or are you actually open to criticism?

Also LMAO @ acetone charges, that would be brilliantly ironic - cheers sekio
 
Solipsis said:
You can't expect to learn and get ahead if you are not able to tell right from wrong. That is absolutely necessary for the scientific / experimental method to find answers, otherwise there is no way of telling what is true or not.

If you refuse to accept all the things that are wrong here (which we have sound arguments for, it is hopeless. You would just be feeding your own fantasies, deluding yourself that things like alchemy are going to help you find what you are looking for.

Also LMAO @ acetone charges, that would be brilliantly ironic - cheers sekio
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No one is making any points about chemistry, everyone is just saying I personally don't know anything... So, I really don't think that this could be going any other way.
 
we didn't say you don't know anything. we said you don't know nearly enough to be playing around with dangerous chemicals.

shaggy, i really think the best thing you can do to improve your life right now is take care of that warrant. you seem to be in a hurry to get stuff done in your life, and waiting three years for that to go away is going to drive you batty. the stress its causing already seems to be making you neurotic.

just a guess, though, of course i have no way of knowing that for sure. but from my vantage point it seems that warrant looming over your head is probably a big source of strife for you.
 
thenightwatch said:
i really think the best thing you can do to improve your life right now is take care of that warrant. you seem to be in a hurry to get stuff done in your life, and waiting three years for that to go away is going to drive you batty. the stress its causing already seems to be making you neurotic.
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I really think I didn't come to discuss 100% legal fragrance strains to get advice for my legal situation. Anything that seems neurotic is because we are having 2 different discussions.
 
Oh thanks a lot dude, you already forgot things people explained about beta-ketones etc? It just happens to be so that you are out of your league and a lot you are trying to discuss doesn't make any sense. There is nowhere to go from there, except you realizing the truth about basic understanding of chemistry being absolutely necessary to participate in discussions like these. Sorry that you don't have any money to fix that, but the answer lies in getting chemistry eBooks and ones for other science subjects.

Then it requires years of studying, not playing around on a forum. If we could just skip all the studying we would all do it. You are not a genius that can just do without it. And if you are not willing to first do the hard work (let alone if you have the competencies to understand these matters) it just won't work.
 
Solipsis said:
Oh thanks a lot dude, you already forgot things people explained about beta-ketones etc?
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You seem to have forgotten that that was when this was it's own independent thread. I am now talking about the discussion HERE. I understand it was merged, but it is a new thread. And it seems people are just coming here for sport.
 
ShaggyFin said:
I really think I didn't come to discuss 100% legal fragrance strains to get advice for my legal situation. Anything that seems neurotic is because we are having 2 different discussions.
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fragrance strains aren't even how this conversation started, but okay. feel free to post your ideas in this thread, but if what you are saying is incorrect don't get offended and accuse people of "trying to tear you a new asshole" when they simply are attempting to correct you.

love and peace.
 
thenightwatch said:
fragrance strains aren't even how this conversation started, but okay. feel free to post your ideas in this thread, but if what you are saying is incorrect don't get offended and accuse people of "trying to tear you a new asshole" when they simply are attempting to correct you.

love and peace.
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The thread started with a discussion about creating aromatic compounds via what I was calling "Beta Ketoning" and everyone keeps harping on me on for not ever correcting myself and saying "Adding a Ketone in the Beta position". I get it. I have been corrected.

Now, does anyone here ACTUALLY like to draw pictures of random molecules?
 
Regardless of which thread we are in, we tried to help you but you keep rejecting the judgement of several people (some of whom do have experience and knowledge in the field) that you are not ready to discuss the things you want to discuss. Yes we understand you don't like that, but that doesn't make it any less true. Otherwise you are being a child hearing only what he wants to hear.

Do you see me walking into a hospital barging into an operating room, looking at a swollen leg and saying random medical-sounding terms, making an completely inappropriate diagnosis and saying that I would like to cut the patient's leg off as treatment? No, they would be staggeringly confused, horrified and they would certainly hope I would never try to "cure" anyone again until I would finish medical training, if that.

@random molecules: maybe later
 
Solipsis said:
Regardless of which thread we are in, we tried to help you but you keep rejecting the judgement of several people (some of whom do have experience and knowledge in the field)
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No, I apologized various times and accepted correction (I didn't correct my pronunciation but I admitted when I was wrong) when we were talking about chemistry, you guys just wouldn't accept it and continued to harp on me.

The only thing I can't explain is the thing I read about moving things to their bk form with acetone. I can not find where I read that.
 
Is that the only thing? Alright fine, I dare you to produce the reaction mechanism to theoretically add chloroform to damascone. Use MS Paint for all I care.
 
Hint: it's not just one product, damascone is an a,B-unsaturated carbonyl, which will also undergo 1,4-addition reactions and maybe even a retro-aldol ;) ... double points if you can explain how to make the addition favour 1,2 over 1,4 addition.
 
Solipsis said:
Is that the only thing? Alright fine, I dare you to produce the reaction mechanism to theoretically add chloroform to damascone. Use MS Paint for all I care.
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I can't do it the way you want, but I can do it.

Damascone plays the role of Acetone, Chloroform plays the role of Chloroform. I don't know what the procedure is called, but there is a rule that when two (I think Alkyl Alcohols, I really wanted to wait till I had a book to do this) Aldehydes, or Alchols, etc are in the presence of each other and sodium, there is a reaction with the Sodium that causes the Hydrogen on the Chloroform and the Oxygen on the other one to react in a way that forms a new molecule with the two combined. In the case of Acetone and Chloroform, Chlorobutanol is formed. In the case of Damascone, Chloroscone would be formed.
 
inspired by ShaggyFin.... "beta-keto"-DMAA

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