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How worthwhile is mephedrone?

Back in 2008-9 there was a shortage of decent E around, I had a few dj mates doing gigs around the county, I ordered mephedrone and really enjoyed it after being rather sceptical, I bashed the lot over a few sleepless nights/days, missed work etc, the urge to re-dose was unreal with absolutely no thought about the consequences.

My next order included a few grams of methylene, after a few trials I found 60% mephedrone + 40% methylone into a 1g capsule was absolutely fire, I was taking a fair few of these to my pals gigs, I would dish a few out free as you could see those who took one were properly 'raving' to the point people were offering £10 for one, I presume they thought I had good pills, they were surprised when I passed them a cap, had to explain the situation but folk loved that 60/40 combo. They were not for dealing however, just mates but the reaction had people coming to me.

If you can get both I would 100% try it, mind you at the time I could order with shipping in the UK at free will.

Debauchery central ;-)
 
50shadesofDave said:
Back in 2008-9 there was a shortage of decent E around, I had a few dj mates doing gigs around the county, I ordered mephedrone and really enjoyed it after being rather sceptical, I bashed the lot over a few sleepless nights/days, missed work etc, the urge to re-dose was unreal with absolutely no thought about the consequences.

My next order included a few grams of methylene, after a few trials I found 60% mephedrone + 40% methylone into a 1g capsule was absolutely fire, I was taking a fair few of these to my pals gigs, I would dish a few out free as you could see those who took one were properly 'raving' to the point people were offering £10 for one, I presume they thought I had good pills, they were surprised when I passed them a cap, had to explain the situation but folk loved that 60/40 combo. They were not for dealing however, just mates but the reaction had people coming to me.

If you can get both I would 100% try it, mind you at the time I could order with shipping in the UK at free will.

Debauchery central ;-)
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I don't know why, but your post just reminded me of that old Flowered Up ep:



Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you are a synthetic band invented to copy what The Happy Mondays had been doing for real (not so much a group of musicians who took drugs but rather a group of drug users who decided to make music).
 
Wow, one of my all time favourite tracks there mate, honest.

We had this on a tape early 90's ish and after raves we would go to the beach and play more mellow stuff like this as the sun came up, smoking soap bar with a couple of cans :)

You have just given me a lift and some long forgotten memories and lost friends.

I genuinely love this track.
 
I'm gutted that in 2001 someone burgled my house and stole my entire musi collection. I had the FULL promotional pack of that track. It consisted of three different versions on CD so that depending on the radio station, they could pick the one that best fitted the format (3 minute anthems and so on), A 12" white vinyl with, get this - the same 3 tracks on both sides. Why? So if one side gets worn or scratched, you just flip it over. A VHS tape of the video and a large signed poster. I have no idea how much it was all worth.

The mad thing is I KNEW who had stolen it all and all I did was walk to the nearest branch of S̵m̵a̵c̵k̵ Cash Convertors where I discovered about 100 of my CDs and they had filmed the guy as he got the money for it. They rang around all the other branches in the area to discover he had gone all around Manchester doing the same everywhere.

Then the idiot went not guilty in court hoping I wouldn't bother to show up. I did and he tried to threaten me (and was arrested for doing so) and wound up with 3 years 8 months.

I was GUTTED but in retrospect, it made me start again. To find more NEW tunes rather than doing what some people do - collect and retire into that collection. So be it Markus Nikolai, FPN, Fake Blood or Jimi Bazouka - I had to replace with NEW tunes.

Soap bar... back in the day ;-)
 
So I dunno of this is helpful. The very first time I took mephedrone was by myself camping under the stars. Started w 50mg, felt pretty good. Did another 50mg and another. This was extremely enactogenic and at the time I thought maybe it was better then MDMA. It definitely had a cocaine quality too.

However, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th times I tried it, it only had the stimulant side, no more enactogen qualities. So I basically stopped trying it.
 
Didgital said:
So I dunno of this is helpful. The very first time I took mephedrone was by myself camping under the stars. Started w 50mg, felt pretty good. Did another 50mg and another. This was extremely enactogenic and at the time I thought maybe it was better then MDMA. It definitely had a cocaine quality too.

However, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th times I tried it, it only had the stimulant side, no more enactogen qualities. So I basically stopped trying it.
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Oral or nasal? Out of curiosity.
 
A lot of people have stated that mephedrone isn't very active orally. I tried methylone a couple of times but it was sort of a mixture. A little bit like cocaine, a little bit like amphetamine, a little bit like E but less potent and short acting. I can well understand how people would wind up taking line after line to keep the buzz going when all along it's just producing compusive behavior.

You know, the funny thing is that para methyl (meth)amphetamine was less potent and much more dangerous. I don't claim to understand exactly why that should be the case but I remember it briefly turning up in and around Manchester and a few people dying.

THat ketone evidently makes quite a difference to the activity of the stuff.

Did anyone ever produce dimethadrone (N,N-dimethyl)?
 
4DQSAR said:
I'm gutted that in 2001 someone burgled my house and stole my entire musi collection. I had the FULL promotional pack of that track. It consisted of three different versions on CD so that depending on the radio station, they could pick the one that best fitted the format (3 minute anthems and so on), A 12" white vinyl with, get this - the same 3 tracks on both sides. Why? So if one side gets worn or scratched, you just flip it over. A VHS tape of the video and a large signed poster. I have no idea how much it was all worth.

The mad thing is I KNEW who had stolen it all and all I did was walk to the nearest branch of S̵m̵a̵c̵k̵ Cash Convertors where I discovered about 100 of my CDs and they had filmed the guy as he got the money for it. They rang around all the other branches in the area to discover he had gone all around Manchester doing the same everywhere.

Then the idiot went not guilty in court hoping I wouldn't bother to show up. I did and he tried to threaten me (and was arrested for doing so) and wound up with 3 years 8 months.

I was GUTTED but in retrospect, it made me start again. To find more NEW tunes rather than doing what some people do - collect and retire into that collection. So be it Markus Nikolai, FPN, Fake Blood or Jimi Bazouka - I had to replace with NEW tunes.

Soap bar... back in the day ;-)
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I also had my entire music collection stolen in 2001 - everything was on my laptop. So many songs I still haven’t been able to find to this day. Got most off Napster. Would gladly buy everything on CD to support the artists if only I knew who they all were now.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
When 4-MMC was available to me, for basically free.
And having read the UK story before that, it seemed to good.
It started in Israel, Uk and then spread. In the USSR the IV-ing it.
They prefer it over Heroin, can t imagine it, but no exp with either.

So I never ordered, self protection. And that bk-'punch' Cathinone,
you mentioned might also have been:
bk-MDMA, which was a very nice substance,
i like it better then MDMA.

Also loved Qat/ Khat contains Cathinone/ Cathine,
over Amphetamine, Ephedra or Coke. They are fresh twigs,
illegal now like the rest mentioned under and above.

All the other i advise avoid: 4-MMC was to good.
And the rest 3-MMC/ 3-CMC/ 4-FMC. Not worth it.
Only had 3-MMC, trash imo, but the Dutch teens love it.

Prefer it over quality MDMA, Coke or Amphetamine ?

Real problematic, as its illegal quite some but stil around and easy to get.
According to the youth, they are from after the Mephedrone time.
So don t know how 4-MMC felt.

But its nothing like 2-CB or even [bk] MDMA,
its some sort of mix of Coke with legs and a tiny bit of MDMA.
Serotonin release, super fiending stuff.
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You made several mistakes in the text. Unfortunately, there was no mephedrone in the USSR :)
From 2010 to the present day, it is extremely popular in Russia. Dutch teenagers have no place to find mephedrone, so they poison themselves with 3MMC and 2MMC. Pre-ban mephedrone can only be found on the darknet, which is quite difficult for them.
 
AlisaKirireshkina said:
You made several mistakes in the text. Unfortunately, there was no mephedrone in the USSR :)
From 2010 to the present day, it is extremely popular in Russia. Dutch teenagers have no place to find mephedrone, so they poison themselves with 3MMC and 2MMC. Pre-ban mephedrone can only be found on the darknet, which is quite difficult for them.
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No. Why you assume it , and the current problem in Russia and surrounding states.
2010 you state to now, so is there are problem. Are people shooting 4-MMC in Russia now or not !
Or is there a problem now or not, and was i hoaxed.

Name my mistakes and i gracefully correct any mistake you ll find with grace
as mistakes are made but should be corrected.
Don t forget that 5 g 4-MMC in my time costed a little money from UK.
And after that its legality in NL was still going.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
No. Why you assume it , and the current problem in Russia and surrounding states.
2010 you state to now, so is there are problem. Are people shooting 4-MMC in Russia now or not !
Or is there a problem now or not, and was i hoaxed.

Name my mistakes and i gracefully correct any mistake you ll find with grace
as mistakes are made but should be corrected.
Don t forget that 5 g 4-MMC in my time costed a little money from UK.
And after that its legality in NL was still going.
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I mean, mephedrone appeared in Russia around 2006-2007 and was legal, sold under the name "bath salts", before that it did not exist in Russia, Ukraine or Kazakhstan. Now the most popular substances in Russia are 4MMC and alpha-PVP. In the USSR, 4MMC did not exist
 
As I understand it, the closely related methcathinone was used in the Soviet Union. Possibly someone confused the two as they are chemically so closely related.

I don't know how widespread it was, but on Russian Hyperlab a few people mentioned that people would make it from ephedrine (or maybe pseudoephedrine). One or the other was a prescription medicine and some people worked out how to oxidize it to the more potent methcathinone.
 
AlisaKirireshkina said:
I mean, mephedrone appeared in Russia around 2006-2007 and was legal, sold under the name "bath salts", before that it did not exist in Russia, Ukraine or Kazakhstan. Now the most popular substances in Russia are 4MMC and alpha-PVP. In the USSR, 4MMC did not exist
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Get it, i was on the net when the first message s on the net appeared,
and when it boomed in the UK. Different time period

Mephedrone = 4MMC [for clarity] but we are writing the same, i believe.
Someone posted a vid about the current problem 4-MMC casusing now in Russia.

In NL they were not IV-ing it, but when the youth discovered it and ease of obtaining.
It became a best seller no time. It was cheap ass too.
Unlike MDPV/ a-PVP never caught on here.
3-MMC is a problem despite being illegal a while atm.
 
BTW when Russian Hyperlab first went on-line, a Russian chemist listed the precursors they had. They had 'obtained' them and didn't have access to anything else.

If memory serves toluene and propanoyl chloride and toluene were in that list.

I'm almost certain they did make what later became commonly known as mephedrone. But at the time, the reports weren't great. The chemist was trying to find a novel stimulant and the reports noted that it seemed quite weak. I mean, I SUSPECT they knew of pyrovalerone and thought that a shorter alkyl chain version would be similarly active. As we now know, that isn't the case. Pyrovalerone is a selective DRI whereas mephedrone acts on all three of the monoamines related compounds act on.

The same person also made the 2-thienyl analogue of methamphetamine which, again, wasn't considered to be much good but later DID turn up as an RC.

But I have to say that I know of at LEAST six people who claimed to have 'invented' mephedrone. I tend to believe that the Russian researcher was the first but they weren't in the business of producing it in large quantities or selling it. They were only interested in testing out novel compounds. To the best of my knowledge, they never came forward to claim that they invented it. I guess at the time, nobody realized that the Chinese would be able to telescope the synthesis down so much that in bulk they could make it for something like $800/Kg (in fact, possibly less).

It's my opinion that the KEY reason mephedrone was THE RC for so long was simply the fact that on a per-dose basis, it was by far the cheapest.

Still waiting for someone to produce the para ethynyl homologue of mephedrone. I'm prepared to bet £10 that it will largely act as a serotonin releaser/reuptake inhibitor. HOWEVER, I also believe that the N,N-dimethyl and N-pyrrolidine homologues would be more balanced and if the chain-length is increased, it;'s overall potency will increase.

Something like this:

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Can people understand what I'm getting at? It appears from related compounds that a para ethynyl provides the most active serotonin releaser/reuptake activity. In the same range as a para thiomethoxy (as seen in RCs such as 4MTA). BUT unlike a para thiomethoxyl, a para ethynyl doesn't introduce MAOI activity. It's been noted that cathinones seem less liable to act as MAOIs than their amphetamine analogues. That benzylic ketone may well prevent such compounds from blockading the VMAT-2 transports.

Of course nothing is written in stone. They would still require careful exploration. But in the related compounds, a para ethtnyl demonstrated serotonin transport activity orders of magnitude higher than the para (pseudo)halo* and para alkyl homologues of the same compounds.

*Substituants such as trifluoromethyl and nitrile are commonly refered to as possessing pseudohalogen properties. I think Shulgin even made the para nitrile homologue of 2CB. There are medicines containing aromatic nitrile moieties. So although the idea of introducing a -CN group to a compound looks dodgy, it's only toxic if the CN- ion can be liberated as it prevents cellular respiration. I've always though it odd that people talk of hydrogen cyanide in hushed tones when carbon monoxide is actually a more potent toxin. Of course, for decades Europe used 'coal gas' which contained carbon monoxide, so my guess is that it's toxicity was played down.
 
4DQSAR said:
Mephedrone was an interesting discovery. I find it fascinating that about a dozen different people have all come out of the woodwork claiming to be the inventor.

The first time I heard of it was on Russian Hyperlab circa 1994. A Russian chemist had no money and a limited number of precursors and mephedrone was their 'best guess' at an active which they went on to report as being a little like MDMA and a little like cocaine. No idea of the name but I credit that unknown chemist as the first one to make it with a view to it being a stimulant.
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Interesting. Last time I checked I thought it was invented by some guy in Israel.
 
love_child said:
Interesting. Last time I checked I thought it was invented by some guy in Israel.
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If it's the same guy who claimed he invented 5-APB/6-APB it's provably untrue. The drugs were patented in 2011 and his name isn't on that patent as inventor. His business model requires him to take credit for RCs because the people who really design RCs don't want the publicity. Especially not after how @fastandbulbous was treated.
 
4DQSAR said:
A lot of people have stated that mephedrone isn't very active orally. I tried methylone a couple of times but it was sort of a mixture. A little bit like cocaine, a little bit like amphetamine, a little bit like E but less potent and short acting. I can well understand how people would wind up taking line after line to keep the buzz going when all along it's just producing compusive behavior.

You know, the funny thing is that para methyl (meth)amphetamine was less potent and much more dangerous. I don't claim to understand exactly why that should be the case but I remember it briefly turning up in and around Manchester and a few people dying.

THat ketone evidently makes quite a difference to the activity of the stuff.

Did anyone ever produce dimethadrone (N,N-dimethyl)?
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Some of the Russian bees actually seemed to enjoy this p-methylamphetamine, also known as p-TAP (para-tolylaminopropane)...
 
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