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How worthwhile is mephedrone?

rse said:
Mephedrone is the BEST drug available. It's like better and more safe version of MDMA/Meth/Coke. Oh boy, when this came to Russia this instantly got number 1 drug in the market and wiped out shitty coke, E/mdma, meth, Heroin.

It's actually pretty strong and very safe at the same time. Actually impossible to overdose and it don't have any side effects after the binges, unlike MDMA overdose (brain zapps, depression, anxiety). It goes easy on you. You can actually use up to 2g of this shit alone in one day, and you won't feel any shit after.
I highly recommend to mix with the weed and K.
And yeah sometimes it's hard to get the boner on it, especially on higher dosages > 0.2g
But, it's very easy to get addicted and start to inject it, because it's too good.
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That's your experience yeah, other people can (and do) have entirely different reactions

One of the very worst stim comedowns I've ever had, and I've had many.

Horrific.

Also, we have no idea haw 'safe' any kind of longterm use may be. MDMA was considered 'safe' for ages until we realised that the shit can quite easily fry your brain.
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
That's your experience yeah, other people can (and do) have entirely different reactions

One of the very worst stim comedowns I've ever had, and I've had many.

Horrific.

Also, we have no idea haw 'safe' any kind of longterm use may be. MDMA was considered 'safe' for ages until we realised that the shit can quite easily fry your brain.
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Any stim comedowns can be easily countered by Pregabalin or similar type of substances (even alcohol works, but pregabalin is obviously better). It's especially good for drugs like meph and coke with the short half life. If you plan to binge consider to take a few pills of Lyrica.
 
fairnymph said:
So if I’m not crazy about cocaine then it’s likely not for me, do you think? Because I do find coke pretty mediocre and it doesn’t make me particularly horny.
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Apparently, it's mostly a male thing. But meth makes both genders horny equally. Especially when vaped.
 
Conky said:
Apparently, it's mostly a male thing. But meth makes both genders horny equally. Especially when vaped.
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I don’t know about this because I’ve heard there are women who find coke very sexual. But maybe I’m just conflating the fact that some women use sex to get cocaine. Any theories on why it would only make men horny?
 
fairnymph said:
I don’t know about this because I’ve heard there are women who find coke very sexual. But maybe I’m just conflating the fact that some women use sex to get cocaine. Any theories on why it would only make men horny?
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Not sure exactly but it may have something to do with the significant hormonal differences. Men have much higher androgen levels than women. Exogenous testosterone and DHT by themselves can be pretty sexual.
 
fairnymph said:
I don’t know about this because I’ve heard there are women who find coke very sexual. But maybe I’m just conflating the fact that some women use sex to get cocaine. Any theories on why it would only make men horny?
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there definitely are women who find coke very sexual, I'd imagine plenty tbh

I also know some men who don't find it sexual, which is likely a blessing given how frustrating cocaine is in general. People are different, I don't think gender really applies here
 
fairnymph said:
Are there any stimulating drugs that you enjoy and if so, which ones?
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Caffeine on occasion although I have to be careful as more that a couple of energy drinks I'm only too aware that it produces a loss of judgement.

I've tried them all - dozens of them. But as I've got older, I just find the side-effects and crashes become too much.

Designing novel compounds and seeing them become successful RCs was a much, much better 'high' than taking any of them. Getting it right i.e. safe, legal, active.
 
4DQSAR said:
Caffeine on occasion although I have to be careful as more that a couple of energy drinks I'm only too aware that it produces a loss of judgement.

I've tried them all - dozens of them. But as I've got older, I just find the side-effects and crashes become too much.

Designing novel compounds and seeing them become successful RCs was a much, much better 'high' than taking any of them. Getting it right i.e. safe, legal, active.
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Caffeine has always been my favourite drug! Unfortunately I build a tolerance to it really fast and it has to come from coffee or I don’t get the full effects.

Yeah, it’s annoying how side effects and crashes worsen with age.

I think I’ll always be fascinated by drugs and that fascination is more satisfying than any drug.
 
Be warned - designing RCs is addictive in it's own right. It's always keeping one step ahead of the law while ensuring the resulting design is still safe and still active.

I have noted that some products have turned up that demonstrate that the designer doesn't really understand QSAAR. the 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromo pattern turned up as ring-substituents in compounds that could NEVER be 5HT2a ligands. Yes, I had MANY failures - but they didn't end up on the market. If you do that, you lose trust.
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
That's your experience yeah, other people can (and do) have entirely different reactions

One of the very worst stim comedowns I've ever had, and I've had many.

Horrific.

Also, we have no idea haw 'safe' any kind of longterm use may be. MDMA was considered 'safe' for ages until we realised that the shit can quite easily fry your brain.
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It's so strange that we have such different experiences with the same drug, that it makes me wonder if we are even uisng the same drug or if vendors are giving us different substances.

I know I have gotten at least 2 different drugs sold as Mephedrone lately, one that feels like what I remember Meph to feel like, and one that was definitely less stimmy and more serotoninergic, more MDMA like in some ways. Different duration too so it wasn't just me and my partner having an odd reaction that day.

Anyway, when I use Meph that I think it's legit, I barely get any comedown to the point that I feel better than if I had taken nothing and just stayed up all night... Which is really bizarre.
 
Phobos said:
It's so strange that we have such different experiences with the same drug, that it makes me wonder if we are even uisng the same drug or if vendors are giving us different substances.

I know I have gotten at least 2 different drugs sold as Mephedrone lately, one that feels like what I remember Meph to feel like, and one that was definitely less stimmy and more serotoninergic, more MDMA like in some ways. Different duration too so it wasn't just me and my partner having an odd reaction that day.

Anyway, when I use Meph that I think it's legit, I barely get any comedown to the point that I feel better than if I had taken nothing and just stayed up all night... Which is really bizarre.
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I don’t get any negative come down effects from 3MMC, or MDMA, or whatever I was sold that claimed to be 4MMC.
 
Phobos said:
It's so strange that we have such different experiences with the same drug, that it makes me wonder if we are even uisng the same drug or if vendors are giving us different substances.
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Unless you have access to the NMR/GC-MS instrumental data, you have no idea what you are actually consuming.

I've noted that often vendors will provide an NMR/GC-MS which shows it's NOT what they claim it to be - which sort of suggests that they don't know how to read the data but somehow feel it lends credibility.

But of course, it's so simple to steal instrumental data and stick it onto your site, so in truth, the end user has to invest in testing. Certainly if you consider buying in bulk, it's the wise thing to do. I'm quite regularly asked to read such data and I note that a LOT do not represent the compound stated.
 
rse said:
Any stim comedowns can be easily countered by Pregabalin or similar type of substances (even alcohol works, but pregabalin is obviously better). It's especially good for drugs like meph and coke with the short half life. If you plan to binge consider to take a few pills of Lyrica.
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I've recently come into some pregabalin I'll have to try it next time I do something stupid with stimulants.
 
4DQSAR said:
Unless you have access to the NMR/GC-MS instrumental data, you have no idea what you are actually consuming.

I've noted that often vendors will provide an NMR/GC-MS which shows it's NOT what they claim it to be - which sort of suggests that they don't know how to read the data but somehow feel it lends credibility.

But of course, it's so simple to steal instrumental data and stick it onto your site, so in truth, the end user has to invest in testing. Certainly if you consider buying in bulk, it's the wise thing to do. I'm quite regularly asked to read such data and I note that a LOT do not represent the compound stated.
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You're right, I should send a sample to Wedinos.
The "Meph" I buy feels like the pre ban basically, as far as my feelings go I'm just unsure of potency/purity.
 
Phobos said:
You're right, I should send a sample to Wedinos.
The "Meph" I buy feels like the pre ban basically, as far as my feelings go I'm just unsure of potency/purity.
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If you get an NMR/GC-MS set - please post. It will show any impurities and we can independently confirm what it is.
 
lurker5 said:
I'm from Israel, and I can't vouch I've got 4MMC, only that my dealer sold 3MMC and 4MMC separately. Can't test it in reagent kits.

But it fitted the expected effects, extremely , and effect time curves, so I'm going to assume it is that.

You get a lot of shit though. Dealers don't know their MMCs and just label it as one. Sometimes they sell you other things.

So is it good? Yes, extremely. It definitely turns you on a lot more than MDMA. It's also practically impossible to get hard on it - tried double the dose of Cialis, but had some minor success with taking a day before, and then another pill before the experience.

Snorting, which is classic around here(they all prefer 3MMC around me though) gives you a great uplifting sensation, turns you on, makes everything nicer - yes. I never tried doing rails of it, only bumps

But when you swallow it's that's when the shit really hits the fan. 100mg is nice but once you cross the 120mg and add after an hour , it almost rides some primal, teenager like sexual explosion. It's a very dirty type of sexuality, not MDMA like though, it's not love, it's more about dirty passion, but, it Aldo rides that honesty and openness pathway you get with MDMA. I enjoyed it a lot.

Ridiculously impossible to get an erection at that point too. And it makes your ass completely loose and enjoyable.

But yes it's very morish. You will lose your sense. And the crash, well, you basically do crush but I didn't find it bad. You're also completely wired. And cannabis - at the end not the peak - was really great too.

I wouldn't mix it with anything.

3MMC is, at best, ok for clubs and chatting but I don't understand why anyone would want it over 4MMC.

And again - no real way to know what they're selling you as ,4MMC. At least here we started the wave so, dealers trying to switch it get bad reps.
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Kinda as expected glad leaving 4-MMC be, your experience says
it all. I d be hooked. 3-MMC was crap when i bought it once,
tried 4-MEC. MDPV and 4-FA. First & last kinda annoying Serotonergic s, the latter ending as super irritating long lasting stim.
Used to dextro-Amphetamine. MDPV, PeeVee/ perverse.

I am not a-sexual but it didn t live up, another turn down.
Besides stims, i ll admit that at certain age Serotonergic s.
Lost appeal, it 0 % now last one was 5-MAPB which was OK.

But Lysergic s > the rest. Or something relaxing now and then.
Excepting Alcohol. Stopped.
 
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