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Harm Reduction How to minimize heart dangers from speedballing? (heroin+cocaine / methadone + crack)

Speedhack

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Hello, I'm a 18 year old boy from Spain who hasn't got any heart problem and in fact any health problem at all in the past.

I've been using drugs for about two years, I did everything (except injecting anything , either IM or IV, never used the needle, i except doing it one day, i'm not gonna say never, because you know, when you say ''never touch it'', it will happen ;) ) ranging from alcohol , tobacco, LSD, smoked and snorted crystal meth, smoked fentanyl patches, heroin, 3-meo-PCP, 5-MeO-DMT, marijuana, , ecstasy, ketamine, hash, cocaine, crack , speed (amphetamine sulfate..) oxycodone, etc etc..

I've been doing drugs non-stop, first only few times at very good parties , then at saturdays on every party, then fridays and saturdays , then some days a week, and then almost every day (stopping maybe one or two months)

I had mild daily addictions to some drugs (not to mention weekly addictions, i had that constant), this is my ''addiction'' history: first started my binges with of course cannabis, but i didn't really like it and actually don't also so now i never smoke weed or hash (and in my country it's the cheapest and best lol) , my head was idiot and i did a small cycle of 1 month with steroids (anavar 25mg (oxandrolone) and clenbuterol max 1,4mg a day and used tamoxifen 50mg to recover my hormones , hopefully my development didn't get damaged :), sadly at the end i was as skinny as the start haha) ,then used ritalin (aka rubifén 10mg IR or medikinet 30mg ER crushed), during 10 days in , 10 days off, for some months for study and that shit, then when my real addiction to the high feeling started did this along with sporadic experiences with other drugs although not doing them every day (like MDMA or LSD), aprox. 20 days snorted and then smoked 3-fluoroamphetamine (3-FA) , 1,5 month smoked methamphetamine, 1 month to fentanyl patches (chewed and smoked), snorted medium-quality coke, 2 month HQ crystal methamphetamine smoked, 1 month oxycodone and morphine, 2 month smoked brown nº3 heroin, 1 month smoked freebase cocaine + brown heroin on foil, 3 month smoked Nº3 Heroin and 2 month bad quality smoked powdery meth plus 15 days crack smoked on pipe (choreboy and tube shit). Also did and do occasional smoked, snorted or oral crystal or poor quality meth, street speed, coke, amphetamien sulfate , freebase, crack or whatever stimulant around to study (mantain me awake), i was on allergic rhinitis drugs but i discontinued it almost one year ago ( daily nasonex 100ug / 0,1mg intranasal (0,05mg/ 50ug each nostril) (mometasone furoate) and Aerius 5mg desloratadine IR pills for 2 years daily, and 500mcg / 0,5mg accuhaler system flixotide 500ug / 0,5mg (fluticasone (aspirated)) for 1 month , and in asthma crisis used terbasmin turbuhaler (terbutaline sulfate 500mcg/0,5mg inhalated) , all discontinued the same day becaused they caused me a severe anxiety and panic attack my worst bad experience with drugs, and not caused by illegal psychoactive ones ;) actually only use the terbasmin in high crisis sporadically and homeopathyc treatment that i belive it's a shit but, who knows, let's try it).

I had in my history of drug use three or four routine blood tests and four or five piss test. Always all OK except one time a very little high uric acid.

The thing is on stimulants i always get cold hands and feet, not in arms and legs, only feet and hands and i even get chills , and i don't tolerate cold, it's something that i can't control, cold it's like a death for me, and i live in the north of Spain , the coldest part.

I eat healthy now , but on addiction times, specially meth, i didn't sleep and eat almost every day, before that and after i eat everything 3 times a day minimum and sleep bad, but sleep at least 6,5-7 hours at week, 11-12 at weekends.




My question is what problems I could have done to my organism? Specially my heart. For doing that.

And my main question and the title is , IT EXIST ANY FORM TO DO A SPEEDBALL WITHOUT PUTTING TOO MUCH STRESS ON YOUR HEART (harm-reducting , beeing safe)? I use in the moment crack (direct choreboy pipe) and methadone (eated or snorted) , but also interested in cocaine/crack+heroin or simply any other ''speedball'' meth/speed/amph sulph./4-fa/crack/freebase + heroin/oxycodone/morphine/opium/fentanyl etc..

So mainly what amount of oral or snorted methadone and smoked crack (and freebase coke + heroin) to don't explode your heart , i mean getting like a little homeostasis? Don't say 'never do it', simply tell me a harmreduction method if younow, it's time to use drugs responsibly for me again, i don't wanna kill me that fast, in fact, there are people using opiates with stimulants medically, i need some way

I just smoked like 20mg of pure freebase cocaine in a glass tube pipe with copper scrubbing choreboy pad in one hit, while high on 25 mg methadone (actually i have very to no-tolerance of opiates), it's just one of the best combo of my whole life,8) it's that very stressfull to my cardiovascular system and stroke/heartattack risk to me? what are really the cardiovascular risks involved in speedballing? if you can help me with trusted info..

I must say I did a bloodtest with hormonal test and urine test today to check my organism after my out-of-my-hands uses, i wanna use drugs as when i started, responsible. I will start in the gym again this month or the next, without any substance.


What paranoids me if i have got any cardiovascular problem due to my cold hands and feet and chills on stimulants always but my heart rate and oxygen flow is absolutelly right when sober, perfect, zero hyper or hypotension . I must say I'm a fucking hypochondriac but the cold hand and feet (and annoying chills) it's very real.

Regards and thank you for your valuable time! :)
 
The only way to lessen or avoid cardiovascular issues from 'speedballs' is to do less 'speedballs' or stop doing 'speedballs'.
 
WOW there i can tell this was written whilst very high on stims!!!!


I am not 100% what you have asked but i gather its how do i reduce the risk of damage from speedballing. Simply put it would be to do less of each substance which requires you to use less on a daily routine so your tolerance is low. I am not sure, maybe there is another way of reducing the damage by introducing some other drug ( this is not my speciality ).


I hope someone with lots of information can help you maybe captian.herion or mr.scag as i believe the have experience speedballing. I havent really done it myself.

Hope you stay safe though bro.

On a side note do you live near san sebastian? Went there early this year and surrounding area beautiful place.
 
In have a friend who used to run with a biker gang into meth. that was 25 years ago. half her heart is from a pig now. unless you want a heart attack or a transplant in your near future, stop fkn around with speedballs. You are figuratively poking the genie in the bottle, and one day he will escape and put your ass in there (bottle being an urn).

You're 18, you probably havent done that much damage to yourself... yet. Read up on speedballs, there are a PLETHORA of really famous fkn people (and a ton that no one ever knew) that have died from speedballs.

eta: if you are seeking that much adrenaline rush, try something safer like skydiving. maybe take your car to a dragstrip on the weekend, idk... pretty much anything is safer than speedballs.
 
Something interesting I've learned recently from this page is that speedballs IN MODERATE DOSES really aren't all that bad for you. However, I'm mainly talking about something like low dose opiate with a pharmaceutical speed. As mentioned above, if you do a HUGE shot of cocaine (Unkown purity) with a HUGE shot of heroin (unknown purity) that is OBVIOUSLY harmful. If you can, stick to pharmaceutical opiods/amphetamines so you know the exact dose.
 
The only way to lessen or avoid cardiovascular issues from 'speedballs' is to do less 'speedballs' or stop doing 'speedballs'.

What he said.. Hah.

Okay, so I didn't read all of your post.. it was kind of jumbled and long but... from what I gather, you are not IV'ing right? Clarify that point for me please because it's a big one.

Anyway, even with IV speedballing.. which to me is the only real speedballing (but that's just my own personal definition for it) the two drugs themselves in combination don't affect the heart anymore than just doing regular cocaine... (it's the coke that is rough on your heart)

The danger in speedballing isn't the direct mixture itself... it comes from the increased chance of OD on either the heroin or the cocaine... Because both drugs mask the effects of the other, it's easy to end up dosing a lot heavier to get over the hurtle. For example... You're on a lot of coke so you don't feel the H as much, which leads you to take a lot more than you normally would, and you end up OD'ing on heroin, even if you didn't feel incredibly high (because the cocaine was masking it) However, respiratory depression was still happening. The same can happen in reverse with heroin leading to an overdose on cocaine.

Any heavy stimulant usage is going to be a strain on your heart.. the only way to avoid that is to do less stims and less often.
 
Oh man, pump the brakes, this thread throws up red flags left and right. 'Speedballs' will be the end of you if you don't stop such reckless abuse.
 
Yea i really don't like these kinds of threads, if your gonna do speed balls do it in low doses and keep it off blue light. People start rationalizing , and make it seem not as bad as it is making more people curious to try it. Even if it MAY not be as dangerous as the media may make it seem, and it isn't like tennis with your heart. It is fucking risky, and dangerous.. just don't do them.
 
No, I'm not IV'ing , i'm smoking, or eating methadone and while on methadone smoking crack, maximum 250mg in the day, it's risky?

For example, methadone at the morning (20-25mg) orally and in the day 10 hits of crack totalling 250mg, its that a very reckless practise?

Or I should stop inmediately ? I'm not talking about daily uses but saying 10 days binge, with sleeping and eating very well. I did that and i need to know i i could have damaged a lot my heart. Thank you a lot mr.scag for your inteligent and informative info.

Many junkies in Spain smoke a mixture called ''rebujao'' or ''mezcla'' which consists in 50-50% brown heroin nº3 base/freebase cocaine or cocaine HCl (in special injection ''revuelto'') , usually for smoking but even injected, here you can't find meth or classic bicarb-crack, just made yourself or have luck with a elite dealer, in marginal hoods the only deals are hash, weed, coke , freebase, brown H and ''revuelto''. So that's why i asked lot of people do, but i don't wanna mess with my heart like a doll, i'm very young, i only want to know if i did lot's of damage.

It's 50mg of crack each day very stressfull to the heart? With my stimulant abuse history what possibilities of my to die of a heart attack or stroke?

No , I'm not from San Sebastian (Euskadi / Basque country) , i'm from Asturias, like them we have our own language and it's beautiful! come here and visit you will like a lot!

Regards and thank you all! :)
 
Speed balls are bad for you, no way around it.

You have one drug telling your heart to speed up and constricting your blood vessels. You have another telling your heart to slow down, etc. That alone is pretty stressful on your heart. And then when one wears off before the other...

No one can tell you the possibilities you have a heart attack. Go to the doctor.
 
-drink more water
-increase potassium intake (orange juice, bananas, dried appricots!)
-exercise more
-take fish oil
 
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