Heroin How to Get on Methadone?

[HeadphonesandLSD]

In my area they are. If you are addicted to IV heroin, you go into the Methadone program. People addicted to popping and snorting pills go on suboxone. People who snort heroin are sent to Suboxone Programs because they technically aren't experiencing effects from heroin. They even drug test people and have been known to laugh at people who come in wanting methadone from having a 1-2 Vicodina day habit. I would laugh as well.

This isn't true in my area, and trust me, there are A LOT of people going to the clinic every day. I know H is probably the main thing they see in clinics in the city, but where I live H is not popular with the locals and the only time I ever see it is when someone from out of town is staying for a weekend or something.

Here, everyone that's a "junkie" is hooked on some type of pain pill most of the time. We're not talking about 1 or 2 Vics, we're talking more like massive amounts of Opana, Oxycodone, Oxycontin, and well anything else you can think of. If you were to introduce crappy H to this area you'd probably be a rich man but for some reason no one has ever set up shop. I think its related to the massive cocaine/crack problem in the local area, and the fact that no one is willing to "move in" on the market those other guys control.

I'm not making this stuff up btw, you can even drive to the nearest local mid-sized city and look for H all day and probably won't find it. To find H you gotta go at least 1 1/2 to 3 hours outside of this area, the stuff just dose not flow into this area in large enough amounts to sustain a market.

This isn't someone that doesn't have a source btw. In my years here I found tons of stuff, including all the clean LSD I could buy post-2000 raid. I had to look hard, but I could find anything. H required driving too far to make it worth the hassle, and I was really interested in getting it because I had a massive addiction to oxycodone at the time and H worked out to be cheaper. Now-a-days I'm happy that I couldn't get it for a good price whenever I wanted, but back then I would have killed for any type of local connection for the stuff!

Sorry if I gave bad advice, I'm always willing to stand corrected and I don't have much experience with living in larger cities. But out here in the sticks track marks are defiantly not a requirement to get into MMT.

 

[rocketqueen]

@ilikedrugs: there is another site that I would wholeheartedly recommend if you are considering doing yourself a favor and getting on methadone. You can get your life and your sanity back once you are stabilized on methadone. Is the clinic worth it compared to the price of dope? Well, the clinic in the US is about $70 a week. My H habit was about $100 or so a day EASY. So, $700 bucks a week...or $70? What say you? And, yes, the clinic will let you detox when you are ready. Take it SLOW when you reduce your dose. I would say 1 mg a WEEK is good. You did not get where you are at in a month, so it is going to take equally long if not longer to get out of it. So to speak. You must learn to manage your addiction or it will repeatedly rise up to torment you. The site is methadone watchdog. A LOT of long time methadone patients are on there and they know of what they speak. You are not ready to stop H now, but likely one day you will be sick and tired and defeated. Then why not go?

 

[rocketqueen]

Oh say, by the way, watch the people on here who tell you to go pop a Suboxone. What that is going to do is throw you into an incredibly violent & immediate withdrawal. So triple check some of the opinions people give you - they are NOT facts. BIG DIFFERENCE.

And, no, methadone will not get you high after you are properly stabilized on your dose. Methadone is for those ready to get out of the game, not chase a high.

As far as w/d being "not that terrible" to do, I say that these people have not been in w/d. Real w/d will bring you to your knees (and lower than that).

Yes, methadone is made by the evil Big Pharma lol but the street dope we get is made in a hut in the jungles of Columbia, in the poppy fields of Burma and Pakistan, in someones g'mas basement, then stepped on by your local dealers. So I say BFD. At least Big Pharma dope has to meet FDA standards, meaning it is pharmaceutical quality dope. Of course, you do not hear anyone bitching about Big Pharma when they go to the croaker clinic to get their Rcs, OCs, Somas, and Xanax, now do you?

 

[Artificial Emotion]

I would recommend using ibogaine instead of wasting a life on methadone or buprenorphine. There's a clinic that offers it abroad but it'll cost quite a bit. However it's worth it because it's done in a controlled and safe environment with psychological support and aftercare. I might go over there and try it one day but I'd have to save up first. It's a shame insurance companies won't pay for that sort of thing.

Ibogaine can be a cure for addiction in many if used correctly. It's not a panacea but is definitely a useful tool from what I gather.

 

[-Guido-]

I would recommend using ibogaine instead of wasting a life on methadone or buprenorphine. There's a clinic that offers it abroad but it'll cost quite a bit. However it's worth it because it's done in a controlled and safe environment with psychological support and aftercare. I might go over there and try it one day but I'd have to save up first. It's a shame insurance companies won't pay for that sort of thing.

Ibogaine can be a cure for addiction in many if used correctly. It's not a panacea but is definitely a useful tool from what I gather.

I remember when my sister smoked Salvia Extract, she didn't touch alcohol, caffeine, marijuana, or nicotine for 5 years.

 

[rocketqueen]

I would recommend using ibogaine instead of wasting a life on methadone or buprenorphine. There's a clinic that offers it abroad but it'll cost quite a bit. However it's worth it because it's done in a controlled and safe environment with psychological support and aftercare. I might go over there and try it one day but I'd have to save up first. It's a shame insurance companies won't pay for that sort of thing.

Ibogaine can be a cure for addiction in many if used correctly. It's not a panacea but is definitely a useful tool from what I gather.

You state that being in medication assisted treatment is "wasting a life?" I beg you, kind sir, do tell me how active addiction is better? Or white knuckle addiction? At least ppl on methadone and Sub know their dealers normal business hours.

Ibogaine, you say. Well, not everyone has the Big money to go get Ibogaine. And it is the "cure" for addiction? I would love to see the scientific studies done that show people remained free from cravings or any illegal substances for at least five years after taking this "cure." What is out there is anecdotal, just stories from various individuals, nothing more. By contrast, methadone (and to a lesser extent Sub 'cause it has not been around as long), studies show over and over and over the safety and efficacy of those treatment modalities. Do they not work for some folks? Sure, some don't like it. Are they a "cure?" Nope. If you are still chasing a high methadone and/or Sub is not gonna save you.

One more thought on Ibogaine. Because addiction is such a monster, I do not begrudge any treatment for it, I am for ANYTHING that gets people off the shit. If you become a Jesus freak, go to AA three times a day, have a spiritual awakening, whatever, if it gets you out of the hole you dug for yourself I am for it. But as far as a "cure" for addiction - it does not exist.

 

[rocketqueen]

I remember when my sister smoked Salvia Extract, she didn't touch alcohol, caffeine, marijuana, or nicotine for 5 years.

@Guido: What happened after the five years that she was COMPLETELY drug free? When your sis smoked salvia, did she quit all drugs or just the ones you listed above?

 

[HappyHighChic13]

My experience with a methadone clinic has been nothing but positive!! I was very skeptical at first to give it a try only because of how many ppl knock it...but in the end, it was truly my life saver. I have been to several top-notch rehab facilities and although I am a long term drug addict, I am in no way the typical "junkie" ppl think of when they refer to the types of ppl that go to methadone clinics. I have my masters in education and was an elem teacher for 7 yrs, until my addiction caused me to basically lose that for me...I have been to rehabs in FL, Texas...did a rapid detox in Chicago...I tried suboxone therapy several times with many diff doctors, all resulting in some clean time but always led to a relapse. When I got on methadone, I stayed on for 2 yrs and my life got totally turned around for me...got a new job, bought a house, etc. I never dosed above 67mg so therefore I wasn't abusing them program which is prob why methadone worked for me. I am a HUGE advocate for MMT and I strongly suggest anyone who is thinking about trying this route to try and ignore the negative stigmas and focus on all the positive that can truly happen for you...Good luck to all

 

[opiatekrzy]

methadone clinics take patients who have a history of abusing any opiate, u dont need roof of track marks, or even have to pisss dirty, thhose r old school days, people go on it to prevent relapse, here in NY its flexible

 

[Jordie]

Hey, so I was wondering a couple questions about methadone. My first question is will a Methadone Clinic take anyone who is addicted to H? I have been addicted for a couple months now, and I am not planning on doing this for a couple more months because honestly I have not gotten it out of my system yet. So will they take a heroin user who has been using for 5-6 months at about 40 - 80 worth a day? The reason I'm asking this question is because I plan on doing methadone to get off of the h in the future. Basically I'm not ready yet, I still want to do H for a little longer, but I'm going back to school next year and I want to be sober before I get back into it so I can support myself. My next question is do I have to go to the clinic every day? And parallel to this question, is it worth it compared to the price of dope? Another question I have is when I decide to get off of Methadone will they help me do this in a manner that I will not get really sick from?

My last question is, is this a good idea to do the methadone thing or should I try something else such as Suboxone? I have realized that I am not going to be able to get off of the H without some type of mediation, I am really addicted (I crave h like a bitch, I get really sick when I don't have it, and I don't have the time and patience to do cold turkey.) What suggestions do you guys have for me? I just want to know what my plan is for the future when I do decide to get off the dope so I don't end up withdrawling like a motherfucker or something.

When I got to the point where I "got it out of my system" I looked into both Sub and Methadone clinics,
Most of the time there is a waiting list, for me it went like this-
Methadone Clinic - 3 Months
Sub Doctor - 1 Month

So I decided I would just choose what ever one hit me up first, which ended up being the sub doctor.
Now I didn't know it at the time but it was the best choice I could make.

First of all at a methadone clinic you have to come in and get your dose every single day. (except sunday)
No matter what you have to be there at a certain time everyday or you are out of luck.

Second of all, when I was thinking about going to the methadone clinic I wasn't thinking of going just because I wanted to quit
but because I used to use 'dones recreationally. So I knew I could get high off of them, so what I was thinking was "Alright
I get to have free methadone, get to use full strength opiods for free and it's legal.
tue
There is a huge difference between the two,
Suboxone is designed to help you feel normal, to take away the pain of withdrawal and fight the cravings,
Methadone is basically used to substitue for your choice of opiate, so when going to methadone you aren't
really making a step forward on the road to detox, its more of a controlled high.

But here are some of the perks I would say you can get from both of them:

Subs -
You have your dose on you at all times, you get a script, take home.
It makes you feel normal again, without the bring down of other opiates/oids.
You can choose your dose and decide when you want to taper down if you decide
you do.

Methadone-
You have a constant "crew" of professionals that are checking you and your dose everyday (with subs you talk to a doctor about every 2 months)
They will decide when to taper you down.
They will drug test you and make sure you are on track.(Most suboxone doctors will do that also, just not mine.)

Overall though, Suboxone is the best method, I am in a drug court program that incurages Subs over methadone...
An example why is when I am sitting in group, the only people who are nodding out and drooling everywhere are the ones in the methadone clinic.
Subs are fantastic, the completely take away the cravings and make you feel like you are a normal functioning person.

Also, if you have insurance then either way they are the same, most health insurances will cover both of them.

Look more into it, there are lots of choices out there and lots of people who can help you decide.
But if not then I've heard that methadone is cheaper, but that shouldn't matter to you, you can
compare the price of recovery to the price of a happy and fullfilled life.

But like I said, there is a waiting list almost everywhere, so if you decide you want to quit, make sure you have a way to sit and wait that long without
getting you self arrested or dead. I'd say look into getting one now, and if they hit you up sooner then you wanted, maybe that will be a sign for you
to start your road to recovery.

I have been clean and sober for 1 year and 4 months now since I started my sub maint.

Good luck, and be careful out there.

 

[-Guido-]

@Guido: What happened after the five years that she was COMPLETELY drug free? When your sis smoked salvia, did she quit all drugs or just the ones you listed above?

She rolled on ecstasy one night and after that slowly started drinking again on the weekends, started back up with cigarettes, began drinking Red Bulls again and began smoking marijuana again.

 

[rob007]

i have tried suboxone in the past and it jsut did not work for me. no matter how much blockage i had with the subs, i would try to shoot through it a lot. this would even be after 2 weeks of straight sub use. i just got on methadone and i only used 2 times. i only pay a couple dollars a day for my dose. they are all nice and friendly here and i seea psychiatrist when ever i need or want to.

there are a lot of programs here to assist you with living your life normally. i even get offered acupuncture. i have never been happier and i already have my quit schedule planned out.

it all depends on how determined you are to stop dope.

methadone will be successful, just like any other program, if you are determined to quit. if you just to stay away from withdrawals or to get high, you will be stuck for life.

the way i feel, is that you are not 100% clean until you get of subs or 'done. every decision you make, will be life long. you need to find out what you want first before just getting on a program.

good luck to all of you looking to quit

 

[-Guido-]

even have to piss dirty,

Bullshit. You have to piss dirty. You need proof you are a user. A clinic is not going to take the word of someone off the street.

 

[rob007]

Bullshit. You have to piss dirty. You need proof you are a user. A clinic is not going to take the word of someone off the street.

exactly. you have to piss dirty and only for opiates and usually multiple times at most clinics.

 

[Jordie]

i only pay a couple dollars a day for my dose.

With or without insurance?

 

[cj]

Bullshit. You have to piss dirty. You need proof you are a user. A clinic is not going to take the word of someone off the street.

That is how it is supposed to work but alot of the private clinics play by there own rules.

 

[T. Calderone]

That is how it is supposed to work but alot of the private clinics play by there own rules.

The two clinics closeby me have suggested that you're supposed to come your first time in withdrawal. Plus you are piss-tested to make sure there's no other drugs in your system. I've known people who have tested positive for other opiates (not initial visit) and the penalty is no take-home priveleges. These places are private, cash only and don't take insurance.

 

[Bruce Haze]

It's gonna be hard to get off two months of methadone, if I'm not mistaken, but the less time that you stay on it, the less painful the withdrawals will be.

Warning- I haven't read the above comments.

Things I'll stress:

-You have to dose there everyday for an extended period of time and have clean drug tests before you can get weekend doses, and you'll have to stay clean even longer before you can get a week's worth of doses.
-Different clinics have different rules, but all clinics are forced to drug test once per month by federal law. I read that here and don't think I am mistaken.
-You will have to be there on their time. My clinic's hours are Saturday from 6 A.M. to 10 A.M.
-Withdrawals last comparably longer than heroin's. Your not gonna be a new man after 7 days, but your also not gonna be feeling like your near-dying, running to the toilet constantly. You will be met with milder withdrawals that can last 3 to possibly 4 times longer depending on your metabolism and other factors.

Good luck dear bluelighter

 

[rhun]

Thanks everyone! Very helpful so far. So the reason I'm thinking more about Methadone route is because I don't know if I can afford going to see a doctor and getting prescribed to Suboxone. I don't have health insurance, but it sounds like the Subs are more efficient in quitting so maybe I should.

So if I do the methadone will i have to go to the clinic everyday? Part of the reason I want to get off dope is because I can never do anything in the morning because that's when I score, but if I have to go to the clinic every fucking day that could be really annoying.

Another thing is that the main reason I use H is because I used to have really bad Bipolar disorder and really bad Anxiety, but doing H daily totally eliminates these issues for me. Would Methadone do this too?

Will Methadone get me high? Is there anyway I could occasionally get high when on the Methadone, I would love to be able to occasionally get really fucking high on opiates still.

So if I got on Methadone would Ii have to expect a lifetime of use?

Is methadone cheap? I have to spend at least 20 a day (usually more) for the dope. I heard it's only like 10 bucks a dose of Methadone, would you guys say financially that MEthadone is better than H?

Basically I like opiates because they relieve my mental problems that I have, and I'd reallyt like to be able to have some type of opiate I could take daily and legally, would methadone be good for this? I swear to god, since I have been addicted to dope I have been happier overall then I ever have been in my entire life. On dope, I actually feel like a normal person even when I'm not high!!!! Anyone experienced this?

One last question and this is really important. I have never been to rehab or detox, would this prevent me from getting on Methadone? I know one of you said I would have to have a history of detox/rehab, but I don't and I don't plan on it, so could I still get on board?

If you guys could answer these I would be extremely thanful, especially the rehab/detox one, and the whole treatment for my mood disorders. I'm serious in that I have never been this happy in my entire life, no bs on that and no it is not just because I'm high, most of the time I only do enough to get well, and I barely nod, but I am so happy now and I feel like i can enjoy life like others, the only problem is I have this secret dope habit and this interferes with completely normalizing my life aside from the help with my mood.

Thanks guys!!!

I'm really surprised at all the posts on here saying negative things about methadone. Just because you had a bad experience with it doesn't mean that it doesn't work, you really should stress that that's your opinion and your experience with methadone. Methadone has saved many lives and has worked when all other treatment failed. It may not have worked for you, but it has worked for many other people.

I'm sure some clinics are about making money. But for every bad clinic out there there's a great clinic that's filled with staff there committed to saving lives. The clinic for my area is one of the latter. The RNs, counselors, and other staff deal with so much crap it's unbelievable but they do it with a smile on their face. The person at the front desk knows the name of every single patient that comes into the clinic, and there's over a hundred, and it's simply because she cares. Many of the counselors were on methadone as well and tapered off and are living happy, successful lives. Their main goal is to stabilize you on the methadone, deal with the issues that cause you to use through counseling and their other programs, then taper you off. There are some patients that will spend the rest of their lives on methadone... It's not because the clinic is pushing it on them. It's because after decades of opiate use some people just can't go off, the damage to their brain and endorphin system is too much... they can't function normally. Every day I go I am impressed by how kind and thoughtful the people who work at my clinic are.

Methadone has made a significant impact in my life. I've been using opiates for over two years. Once I started using them I was hooked, for the first time in my life when people asked me how I was I said great! Because it was true. I've been dealing with depression since before I could remember. I was always physically and mentally drained and as a consequence couldn't lead a healthy life. Homework went undone because I'd fallen asleep, I missed classes because I was up all night with anxiety, dreading going to school. When I turned 18 and my dad insisted I move out, I had to work 60+ hrs a week as a store manager in food service to make a living. I started taking opiates then just to deal with the long hours and that's when I found out how they seemed to cure my depression, fatigue, and anxiety. I used the Oxy 80s for the first year until I was just over being addicted, I felt like my life was slipping by. When I relapsed I no longer did the Oxys but went from morphine to heroin, and from taking pills orally to smoking to IV. I knew from the start of my use that I was addicted, but having never considered myself a junkie, chasing the high, the needle was too much... I wanted to just feel normal. Which is where methadone came in.

Just a little back story and my own experience.
In response to your questions: OP, you mentioned you used because of anxiety and depression as well. As mentioned above, I experienced the same, and I'll go how bupe/methadone helps below. I do agree with some other who posted before me, methadone is for harder habits. It's not suitable for someone who's only used heroin a few months. Did you use anything before that? If not, do not pick up a methadone habit. If you think you can't quit a few months of H without medication you will never quit methadone lol. Heroin is a walk in the park to WD from in comparison. Before resorting to methadone or bupe, you should cut back on your use then try a cold turkey. If you're serious about quitting, you need to face reality... see what you're dealing with. If you don't go through it you won't really want to be clean. you won't realize what an abyss you're sinking yourself into with your daily use.

You said you don't have heroin "out of your system yet." Honestly, that's just your addiction talking. You will find yourself thinking up excuses to postpone quitting. I'm not ready yet... in a few months, a few years.. If you're serious, quit now. In a few months, quitting will be 3x harder. Right now you could quit cold turkey and in about a week all the worst symptoms would be gone. In a few months that will not be the case.

If you're insistent on switching to a maintenance medication then yes, try low dose Subutex. Subutex has a generic version so if you don't have insurance use that. You haven't been using long so try 2mg to start. You shouldn't need very much at all, and the smaller the amount the easier it will be to get off of. Subutex has been used off label for the treatment of depression so it should work for you. Some people experience more anxiety from methadone even though it's a mood stabilizer. Methadone is however effective for anxiety for me personally. It is very sedating though so I sleep a lot, even after over a month in treatment.

I go to the clinic every day at 6am. I don't mind, work doesn't start that early. And it forces me to get up out of bed even on my days off, I'm much more productive now. If you're already thinking it's a hassle than this is another reason methadone is not a good choice for you. yes, you get take homes eventually. But you have to earn them. If you get up every day to get H then 5 minutes inside a clinic really shouldn't be hard lol.

The fact that you're asking about getting high on methadone already is not a good sign. Do you want to get better or not? You need to make that decision. You can either put in the work and get better or you can let your life to got hell. And trust me, when you're addicted to dope there's nowhere to go but down. You may feel a little high on your methadone the first week or so and then you will most likely never feel those effects again. But on methadone I have no WD, I sleep through the night, no anxiety/depression, I take my dose once daily, and I feel a lot more free than when I was shooting dope every 6 hrs. These things are way more important to me than getting high.

I recently had to make the decision between Subutex and Methadone, so I know a lot about both. PM me if you have any questions. I tried cold turkey before both those as well as tapering and they didn't work, I'd already been using opiates a long time by then and I was spending upwards of $100 a day. I know I already said this, but with a $20 a day habit for a few months a taper and then CT is completely possible for you. And you will be clean in a few weeks instead of years. There are many other ways to manage your anxiety/depression. In the long run, opiate use will make both of those worse as they damage your endorphin system over time.

 

[crestfallen]

It depends on the clinic and staff. I tried to get on methadone after a pain-pill addiction. Truth is, I still wanted to get high while being on maintenance. But anyways, the clinic near my house wouldn't take an opiate pill addiction unless it was a massive 250mg oxy habit or something similar (i was taking hydrocodone in mass amounts over 100mg, and the occasional oxy when I could get it). So I lied about it and said I had a real bad dilaudid addiction. Then, the bitch nurse kept questioning about shit, like she was purposefully TRYING to deny me mmt. I was even puking in the bathroom and she said I would have to talk to the head nurse on another day. She did this 2 days in a row when I finally gave up and decided that suboxone would be way easier.

The reason was it was $100 a WEEK and I would have to wake up at 6am everyday to go get my dose. $400 a month?! fuck that. I got on suboxone and got monthly scripts and insurance would pay. PLUS methadone would be such a huge pain in the ass to get off of, if not impossible on high doses. Even with a moderate dose of around 50-60mgs it would take around 5 months to taper off and 'done w/d are no joke. Yeah subs aren't euphoric like 'done is but the euphoria goes away after a couple weeks anyways.

You should do what works for you, but this was my experience. Good luck mate