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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

How strong is Halcion (triazolam)?

a lot of you guys are comparing apples and oranges when considering the 'strength' or 'potency' of triazolam.
When saying 0.25 triazolam is equivalent to 10mg of diazepam or 0.5mg klonopin/xanax that is more in terms of setting up a taper for getting off benzos. Triazolam is short acting and primarily sedating. Klonopin is medium acting, xanax is short acting but both are primarily anxiolytic rather than sedating. There's no set in stone guide for x amount of halcion = y amount of xanax or klonopin becasue they are different drugs used for different things.

Using the charts to compare sedatives to anxiolytics is just an abuse of statistics.

I agree that you should start, if you do start at all (which I don't condone), with 0.125mg if you ca get scored 0.5mg tablets (idk if they actually make 0.125mg tabs)

Benzo addiction is not a road you want to go down - I am currently just beginning a benzo taper to get of them. Started using them for sleep about 2.5 years ago.
 
mgrady3 said:
a lot of you guys are comparing apples and oranges when considering the 'strength' or 'potency' of triazolam.
When saying 0.25 triazolam is equivalent to 10mg of diazepam or 0.5mg klonopin/xanax that is more in terms of setting up a taper for getting off benzos. Triazolam is short acting and primarily sedating. Klonopin is medium acting, xanax is short acting but both are primarily anxiolytic rather than sedating. There's no set in stone guide for x amount of halcion = y amount of xanax or klonopin becasue they are different drugs used for different things.

Using the charts to compare sedatives to anxiolytics is just an abuse of statistics.

I agree that you should start, if you do start at all (which I don't condone), with 0.125mg if you ca get scored 0.5mg tablets (idk if they actually make 0.125mg tabs)

Benzo addiction is not a road you want to go down - I am currently just beginning a benzo taper to get of them. Started using them for sleep about 2.5 years ago.
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I've been on benzos for over 13 years now and I can tell you that the chart is roughly accurate. It measures relative anxiolytic activity per mg, actually. It's not meant for the purpose of "tapering". It could be used for that purpose, but it wasn't made for that purpose. It was made so that doctors can have a rough idea of dosing patients when switching from one benzo to another.

They do make 0.125 mg tablets and they make 0.25 mg tablets. They just don't make the 0.5 mg tablets.

Triazolam, alprazolam, and clonazepam are different drugs - but they share the same characteristics and work on the same receptors. Therefore it is easy to compare them. It's simple, 0.25 mg of triazolam = 10 mg of diazepam. What that means is that 0.25 mg of triazolam and 10 mg of diazepam produce roughly the same amount of anxiolysis, but triazolam is more sedative and impairing at the same time. Therefore, it is used as an hypnotic. The same goes for all the other sedative-hypnotics (nitrazepam, temazepam, lormetazepam, flunitrazepam, etc).
 
I guess that's what I meant - going by the start alone you lose the fact that the benzos give differing effects. If you are aware the chart is only comparing anxiolysis then you're all set but a lot of people who post on here don't seem to understand that and are often only given an answer along the lines of "look up a benzo chart"

Thanks for the in depth explanation though, Kokaino
 
Please... Halcion comes in 0.5mg pills aswell ;) And yes, it is certainly stronger than alprazolam. Right now I'm prescribed alprazolam, but immediately before that I was prescribed triazolam. Even though it is the strongest hypnotic benzo (brotizolam is not a benzodiazepine) I don't find it the most sedating one. I think that would have to be (flu)nitrazepam for me. Even though halcion remains my favorite benzo ('halcyon' is greek and translates to something like 'bliss') - just looking at the purple 1/8mg and blue 1/4mg pills (the 1/2mg pills are white) makes me drool xD - it is not IMO useful for a lot of things due to it's very short half life. That's why I mostly used it as a sleep aid.

In terms of how strong it is... 0.125 (the 1/8mg pills) will definitely be felt by a benzo naive user. I don't think this goes for any other benzo, but yeah, .125mg brotizolam can be felt also. But taking 0.125mg of other strong benzos like alprazolam, clonazepam, flunitrazepam, nimetazepam etc. will not be felt as strong as .125mg triazolam IME/IMO. Sadly I have by now a benzo tolerance, and 2mg flunitrazepam no longer touches me. I also used to be able to take 2mg clonazepam (1 rivotril) and become a living dead. Taking 2mg triazolam, which I have done while having this tolerance, certainly made me a living dead.

Btw. it is possible 0.5mg triazolam pills aren't available in the US, but here's a pic of a blue .25mg pill and a white .5mg pill: http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/images/wiki/wikipedia/en/4/48/Triazolam_DOJ.jpg
 
^the living dead thing you were talking about, i used to get that when i took 15mg zopiclone, but now even if i mix a lot of benzos, i don't get that living dead thing
i remember though, when i had taken those zopiclones, i recorded myself and my speech man, i talked like like i had some sort of brain damage and slurred speech and everything

no offence to people with brain damage, i don't judge them or anything, i don't mean anything bad about them, if you were in fact offended, i apologise, i did not mean to offend people with brain damage, i have love and respect for them
 
alright, since i have a benzo tolerance, should i start with a 0.25mg pill? 'cause those or the pills i have, i could break it in half but yeah, like i said, i do have a benzo tolerance
 
pretty high
i usually take like 50-70mg valium with 4-6mg klonopin and sometimes i add 4mg xanax or 8mg xanax xr
but usually i don't add xanax, i smoke a little weed instead
 
d3Xo-fan said:
Please... Halcion comes in 0.5mg pills aswell ;) And yes, it is certainly stronger than alprazolam. Right now I'm prescribed alprazolam, but immediately before that I was prescribed triazolam. Even though it is the strongest hypnotic benzo (brotizolam is not a benzodiazepine) I don't find it the most sedating one. I think that would have to be (flu)nitrazepam for me. Even though halcion remains my favorite benzo ('halcyon' is greek and translates to something like 'bliss') - just looking at the purple 1/8mg and blue 1/4mg pills (the 1/2mg pills are white) makes me drool xD - it is not IMO useful for a lot of things due to it's very short half life. That's why I mostly used it as a sleep aid.

In terms of how strong it is... 0.125 (the 1/8mg pills) will definitely be felt by a benzo naive user. I don't think this goes for any other benzo, but yeah, .125mg brotizolam can be felt also. But taking 0.125mg of other strong benzos like alprazolam, clonazepam, flunitrazepam, nimetazepam etc. will not be felt as strong as .125mg triazolam IME/IMO. Sadly I have by now a benzo tolerance, and 2mg flunitrazepam no longer touches me. I also used to be able to take 2mg clonazepam (1 rivotril) and become a living dead. Taking 2mg triazolam, which I have done while having this tolerance, certainly made me a living dead.

Btw. it is possible 0.5mg triazolam pills aren't available in the US, but here's a pic of a blue .25mg pill and a white .5mg pill: http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/images/wiki/wikipedia/en/4/48/Triazolam_DOJ.jpg
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There are no 0.5 mg tablets in the US or anywhere else for that matter. Trust me, I was on triazolam for a whole year for sleep a few years back along with prazepam for anxiety. Now I'm on alprazolam and have been for the past 5 years. The 0.5 mg tabs used to be available a long time ago, but no longer. Nimetazepam is not one of the highly potent benzos, it is only 2x more potent than diazepam (5 mg nimetazepam = 10 mg diazepam). However, potency means nothing - it's just a number. If potency meant anything then alprazolam or clonazepam would be two of the most recreational benzos there are, but they obviously aren't anywhere as recreational as some less potent benzos such as flunitrazepam, temazepam, nitrazepam, nimetazepam, and even diazepam. The word "Halcyon" actually means "calm" and comes from the term "halcyon dayes" which refers to "14 days of calm weather at the winter solstice".

For me the most sedative benzos I've experienced are (discounting brotizolam here, otherwise it would be 2nd on my list):

1. Triazolam
2. Nitrazepam
3. Temazepam
4. Flunitrazepam
5. Lormetazepam
 
420Sebastior said:
pretty high
i usually take like 50-70mg valium with 4-6mg klonopin and sometimes i add 4mg xanax or 8mg xanax xr
but usually i don't add xanax, i smoke a little weed instead
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At those doses, I would say take about 1.5-2 mg of triazolam and see what happens.
 
When I said Nimetazepam I actually meant Lormetazepam. I get them mixed up sometimes.

"Halcyon" can easily be used as a stand-alone adjective and you could say it is a homonym since saying it's only meaning is 'calm' is simply not true.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/halcyon

I also said it translates to SOMETHING LIKE bliss, not that it directly meant bliss, and since bliss, calm, peaceful, tranquility are all relativily similar, I think it's a little annoying you feel you need to correct me there. I know you know a lot about benzos, but you are not the only one, and you are certainly not the only one able to translate greek :) I have no problem admitting you were correct about the .5mg pills and the nimetazepam-thing; it feels GREAT that more than one person can be right about something simultaniously - you really oughta try achieving that feeling! :)
 
d3Xo-fan said:
When I said Nimetazepam I actually meant Lormetazepam. I get them mixed up sometimes.

"Halcyon" can easily be used as a stand-alone adjective and you could say it is a homonym since saying it's only meaning is 'calm' is simply not true.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/halcyon

I also said it translates to SOMETHING LIKE bliss, not that it directly meant bliss, and since bliss, calm, peaceful, tranquility are all relativily similar, I think it's a little annoying you feel you need to correct me there. I know you know a lot about benzos, but you are not the only one, and you are certainly not the only one able to translate greek :) I have no problem admitting you were correct about the .5mg pills and the nimetazepam-thing; it feels GREAT that more than one person can be right about something simultaniously - you really oughta try achieving that feeling! :)
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Hey man, I didn't say you were wrong, I was just saying what I knew halcyon meant to be. That doesn't make your translation wrong and I wasn't "correcting" you either, sorry you felt that way. You know its hard to speak online like the way we would if we were face to face. We are talking to each other through machines, a lot of shit will be lost in translation. Try not to take everything so negatively.
 
kokaino said:
Triazolam, along with brotizolam, are the most potent benzodiazepines by weight. However, potency means very little. It's only a number.
In its effects, triazolam is the most sedative benzo I have ever experienced and I have experienced many, many benzos. However, it is not much of an anxiolytic or muscle relaxant. It is straight up knock you out type of benzo. Ironically enough, it is not the most toxic benzo. Another benzo sedative-hypnotic, temazepam holds that title.
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Interesting read. I've been on benzos since 2007 off and on from a phsyciatrist. Not once developed a physical dependency. I'am aware of its withdrawals. I myself have come off methadone 3 times. People reading this may say what!? 11 yrs off and on klonopin, plus methadone patient and never physically dependent on benzos. It's because I don't like being sedated to the point where I'm not in control of myself, I was an athlete before opoids and love my senses heightened more than anything in the world (meaning not take pshycotropic meds). Of course the first time I was prescribed clonazepam 1mg 4x a day for the first time I became extremely sedated, and quickly said to myself this isn't a state of mind that I wanna be. Now some people may say well you get sedated when you used opoids, true, but I became energetic and had control in terms of coordination and know what's around me. It's so crazy how doctor's prescribe this, I personally knew someone who was on 2mg of clonazepam twice a day, and for sleep from the same doctor, prescribed him temazepam once at night for sleep. I said dude you're on two different benzos in a day.

I'm on .5mg 3x a day, meaning I've gradually gone down throughout the yrs. Maybe another reason why I've never been physically dependent on benzos. Another thing I don't take it 3 times a day like the doctor tells me. I take it when I need to for panic attack.
 
You know, my oral surgeon gave me 4 .25 mg pills for a root canal. For the first appointment, I was told to take 2 of the pills an hour before my appointment. I actually went a little above and beyond (I tend to snort almost everything I take, so...) on those orders. I snorted both of the pills a half hour before. By the time they started working on me I was absolutely and totally sedated. I was so out of it, for the next appointment they told me to only do one, so I did one and a half a little closer to the appointment time. A judgment call on my part. No complaints that time. My point in all this is that that drug is wicked strong and probably not something to really mess with. I was as out of it as if I'd had an attending anesthesiologist administering IV anesthetics for a surgery (now that's a freaking mouthful). Be careful folks!
 
I though it was 0.25 mg Triazolam = 10 mg Diazepam so it would 40 times as strong IME. I Remember having some 0.125 and 0.25 mg pills stashed away, hmmm... :)


-- Peace o/
 
^ No-Well
sort of. The problem is that it has poor BA%, unlike most Benzodiazepines, so the P.O dose/conversion would be higher;

0.5mg SDU, if not mistaken(that would be like 5-10mg Valium, or roughly equivalent to alprazolam

(range .25-1mg w/ interindividual variability- possibly 0.125-0.25 IV
 
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