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How should a girl go about hitting on a guy?

That was aimed more at relationship material rather than one night stand material.

If a guy's just looking to get his rocks off he's going to go for the best piece of ass he can find. If he's looking for a girlfriend he's going to go for the total package (more often than not).

Of course whose to say there aren't girls with the bimbo face and body who also have a decent mind?
 
Kitty, I think the only thing you are doing that is "wrong" is that you are willing (and trying) to do things that aren't you. You're asking "How should I be?" when the only answer is "Like you."

If guys dont understand you, repond to you, why would you want to even adjust yourself to their liking? You are probably a very cool chick, because I have the best intuition of anyone I know, and I get a good vibe from you. (It's easy for me to say these honest things to a woman who is far, far away from me! :\ )

Anyway, keep being you. Don't try to "dumb yourself down" or whatever. It sucks being exceptional, but you obviously are. Deal with it. The right guy who deserves you is out there.

;)
 
I disagree with wize also on that point, IME weak men like strong women, and strong men like weak women, sort of an opposites attracts type of thing. Of course I'm generalizing, but that's the trend I see more often than not.
 
Well I guess my circle of friends operate outside the norm, c'est la vie.

I second getting a job in a restaurant. From my buddy's in the business restaurants are a bastion of drugs and sex. They throw great parties as well. Honestly if you're a waitress you're guaranteed to get laid, even better if you tend bar in a club. Great idea!
 
possessive/controlling.Those two will scare off most men.

And it doesnt matter if shes the hottest peice of meat on the block.
I stay away, like that house with the huge scary dog and the "keep out" sign.

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"take me home and fuck me because I'm a kinky slut."

i belive, i have more of chance geting struck by lightning then those words directed at me from a chick at a club,.. i wish.
 
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kittyinthedark said:
I honestly thought I'd never have to ask this question, but here I am... I'm 21 years old and reasonably attractive, and I can't get a date with a moderately decent guy for the life of me. I almost never get hit on, so of course I'm out there trying to get the guys myself, but I never seem to be able to get any of them interested. I'd hate to think that my personality is that bad, but it's what I'm starting to think at this point. So what should I be doing to get a guy to call me back? I make sure to give my number to every guy I hit on, but so far I've struck out on every occasion. I can't even manage a one night stand... The only "hookup" i've had in the past four years was a thirty-year-old guy who was fucked on ecstasy and alcohol...

Is there anything in particular I should be saying or doing? (Or NOT doing?)


Kitty, number 1... I can't believe YOU have any problems picking up guys. ffs woman, you are probably the sexiest girl I've ever laid eyes on in a photo, and I'm not blowing smoke up your ass, it's my honest opinion.

Anyways; I don't know what you're doing "wrong", I suspect nothing... I suspect that you're just targeting the wrong GUYS! Where the fuck are you hanging out girl? I can pick up guys anywhere, and I'm engaged and not half as hot as you.

The thing with giving your number to guys is... it doesn't work, in most cases. You've got to close the deal on the night, because unfortunately most of the time guys suck at remembering the night before and how hot you were, and even if they did remember, they get all mega-nervous and won't call you. So don't even bother with that shit. I can't recall the amount of times I've been asked for my 'number' and never called. Psssh. It's the way it is. They don't remember adequately in the morning how goddess-like you were, or else they get totally overwhelmed by the whole concept of picking up the phone and just don't.

So make your connection on the night - I'm not saying sleep with them.. but at least get to the stage where YOU get their number too and you're on the sort of level where you have something to text message about the next day. Then go from there.
 
Kitty, there's no point asking for advice and then going to great lengths to explain why the advice won't work. Either try it, or discard it, but being argumentative and wallowing in self-pity isn't going to achieve shit.

Anyway, there are 2 primary reasons that I wouldn't hook up with a girl.

1) Know it all. If they have to be speaking, and have to have the last word on the subject, and constantly one up whatever is being said, their number is getting lost (immediately after I fuck them).

2) Psycho vibe. Some women just set off giant warning signs that say "if you sleep with me you will end up getting 10 calls a day threatening to slit my wrists if you leave me". I wouldn't think you'd do this, but without seeing you in action, so to speak, I can't say for sure.
 
I guess my main concern is how contradictory everyone is on the subject. When I ask people what personality traits I should try to work towards they always say to be honest, straight-forward, assertive, confident, yadda yadda yadda, but then when I ask how I should try to go about meeting people they say not to do anything that could be perceived as too independent or strong-willed. It's like women are supposed to be these amazing, self-reliant, hard-driving, kick-ass beings when they're on their own time, but the second they meet a guy they're supposed to tame and temper everything about themselves. I think it's all a load of fucking hogwash and it's totally disgusting, but at this point I guess I'm willing to sacrifice the core of my beliefs for a little comfort if that's what it takes. I want a guy that will challenge me and dish back all the shit that I can give him, but I guess those don't exist around here...

The bottom line is just to be a real person through through...to be true to yourself. Originality might be a dear price to pay at times, but it's a small token to pay for the freedom to be who you really are....<3
 
SLM makes an excellent point...most men are too pussy to call. I like the idea of making sure it at least goes SOMEWHERE, that you make some sort of connection before EXCHANGING numbers,
 
Fallen1 said:
Kitty, there's no point asking for advice and then going to great lengths to explain why the advice won't work. Either try it, or discard it, but being argumentative and wallowing in self-pity isn't going to achieve shit.
Agreed.

A few points of constructive criticism here. First, I would suggest purging the negative "what's wrong with me" thoughts somehow. I'm certainly not one to talk, but imo stating things like "I want a guy that will blah blah blah, but I guess those don't exist around here" only reinforces your "woe is me" victim self-perception. If you're one to put stock in self-fulfilling prophecies, that's grist for the mill right there.

Second, given that you've stated "I'm just looking for a little temporary validation", it's entirely possible that guys are picking up on a desperation/"validate me" vibe that you're giving off. Of course that may be what you're truly looking for right now, but imo the type of guys that you're going to attract with that mindset are most likely either a) similarly desperate/insecure lapdog-type guys who are just so fucking overjoyed that they found someone who will consider fucking them to begin with that they will only mirror back your reflection, or b) assholes who will treat you like shit while using you for short-term gratification sex, eventually only making you feel worse about yourself.

Is that what you really want, just some guy who's going to be a temporary emotional footstool for you (if so, perhaps you should consider exploring your dom side with a true sub ;))? Do you really think you're going to find a decent quality guy by going to a bar and giving off the "validate me temporarily by fucking me" vibe? Imo it's not a good recipe for long-term relationship happiness.

Anyway, plenty of good suggestions already in this thread. I agree with wizekrak's suggestion that you consider expanding your networking, and I particularly agree with alasdairm's suggestion that you consider posting an ad on a dating/personal site such as CL. That puts YOU in control of the situation and not dependent upon some guy calling you, and it gives you a far better opportunity to describe yourself and learn something about the other person than in a bar setting where you're trying to talk over the music and deal with all the "fronting" going on. Sure, you'll still have to do a little weeding from the responses you get, but you have to do that in any situation. It's like receiving pre-qualified sales leads...generally you can somewhat discern the caliber of the individual by the effort he or she takes in responding to you, describing him/herself, the care he/she takes in his spelling, etc.

Just for kicks I went to the CL Milwaukee m/s/w site and immediately found this ad from a 23 yo guy:

"i'm a college graduate with a fulltime job, i write and sing good original music with my band, i love animals, and i enjoy talking with kids and old people. i don't like "the bar scene," i find it hard to believe happiness is found at the bottom of a bottle, or in a one-night-stand. i must have met a lot of the wrong people, because i have very little faith in girls my age to be mature and ready for a serious, healthy relationship. so it's been awhile since i've dated, and instead i've been focusing most of my time and energy on my work and music. but i'd really like to find someone worth my time; in return, i'll make sure not to waste yours.

if you reply to this posting, i'd appreciate a picture with your message. i'm not driven by looks alone, but i find physical attraction to be an important part of a romantic relationship. if you've taken the time to read my posting, and aren't interested in writing to me, i wish you the best of luck in finding who you're looking for."


Why not try selectively responding to ads like the one above? Or better yet, try posting one of your own, weed from the responses you get with a few email/pic exchanges, and then meet up with the ones who pass the screening for a cup of coffee. If the responses you get absolutely suck, you can always delete the ad later.

Also, with respect to new ways of marketing yourself, there are plenty of alternatives to the bars and clubs at no cost to you. Bookstores are often gathering places for the creative/coffee/similar interests crowd. The Borders in my city sponsors a chess club night and an open mike night and posts notices for musical/artistic events. The art districts in most cities also sponsor monthly "gallery hops".

On the more social end of the networking spectrum, some restaurants such as Buffalo Wild Wings Cafe host online trivia games. I'm a trivia buff and the trivia games also spark my intellectually competitive side, so in playing there 1-2 times a week I've made a few friends among the other regulars who play there.

Come to think of it, that's a pretty good suggestion if you're looking to meet intelligent guys outside your normal social arena. The better online trivia players are largely males, and the better regular players eventually get to know who the other ringers are just by trying to beat each other. I guarantee you that if you had enough trivia game to compete with the better guys, they'd wanna know who you were and would eventually include you in their respected "trivia clique" banter group...not to mention some of them would probably be interested in you (mutual respect-->curiosity-->interest). The trivia ringers where I play are overwhelmingly male, many of them single, and I guarantee you we'd be a bit shocked, and our interest piqued, if a female came along and gave us trouble (yes, we're that good ;)). We'd wanna know who the hell the noob was that beat us or put up a good fight (that's always a fun part of it too, figuring out who the person behind the trivia screenname is) and call me chauvinist if you wish, but once we found out you were female we'd be like "holy shit, can you believe that, some chick just beat us!" :D Plus, it's a fun time...you can go with a group of friends, drink a few beers, eat and socialize while playing the trivia games, playing as a team if you wish.

Given that what you've tried up until now isn't working, I'd say you don't have anything to lose.
 
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use the internet
works great for me

Ive met at least 3/4 of chicks Ive ever been involved with on the internet first
 
In my experience hitting on people effectively, no matter your gender or orientaion, is more about choosing the right body language than chosing the right words. You could be discussing plagues in Africa for chrissakes, and as long as your body language says "Hey there, sexy!" rather than "I'm really worked up and serious about this topic we're discussing", you're good to go.

Ladies, if you look at a guy just a second too long, with a very friendly, but slightly coy, look on your face, you've just cast the most powerful magic spell in your book. From that point, it's his move. If he doesn't respond, either he's not interested or a bit thick (in which case would you really want him?)
 
fairnymph said:
SLM makes an excellent point...most men are too pussy to call. I like the idea of making sure it at least goes SOMEWHERE, that you make some sort of connection before EXCHANGING numbers,

As a guy, I agree with this. Something that has worked on me is an approach along the lines of 'I'm not going to sleep with you tonight, because I don't fuck on the first date, but let's make out and I'll call you tomorrow and we can go from there' (not in those exact words, obviously). So we've got some sort of connection, and I'm going to remember it.

I would also recommend teh interweb. Everyone I've been with in the last four years (or longer?) I've met online. Mostly on dating sites (duh!). I don't know how it is in the US, but I had a lot of success on a dating/friendship site. As well as one-on-one dates, people would organise events that a bunch of people would turn up to. Less pressure than a date, and better than meeting someone in a bar where you have no connection - you have the initial connection through the site. Such an approach might work for you...

Good luck. Keep it light, keep it casual, remember you are teh hotness :)
 
sorry simon i disagree,

net dating sites are total let down (for me anyway) . Maybe i got the shit end of the stick, been on aslong as you have, and nothing.It also makes me feel so depressed trying while at home, the irony eats me up inside.so i stoped,

Sort of like a step back, the way i see it.Your trying to find somone to go out with... its much easy to go out and find someone straight up + without bullshit

so , yeah its fucked failing in 2 realms(cyber - real life)...Kitty should have a better shot cause of being female.Worth a shot

Just my 2 cents sorry if im off topic, just i am also feeling the burn atm, i cant seem to find anyone even though my confidence and self esteem soaring.

:(
 
L O V E L I F E said:
At the risk of offending almost everybody, if you (the Universal "You") live in North America, and you have an IQ of at least 130, and you like to party, but you also like to read and converse and think and learn, then you're going to DRASTICALLY increase your odds of landing a partner YOU deem compatible if you live in a major city.

IQ~N(100,15) therefore we would expect that only approximately 2.5% of the population meet even the first criterion. Dolt.


As for the rest of the thread: my god I hate this sort of nauseating and hollow praise. I see it all_the_farking_time. Fat girl buys a new dress and, unsurprisingly, is a little uncertain, but all of her dumb friends go "OH MY GOD YOU LOOK SO BEAUTIFUL, NO REALLY, REALLY! YOU LOOK AMAZING". :X :p

I think we need another saying in addition to 'if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all': 'If you are too much of a pussy to speak the truth, don't be an insincere prat. If anyone and anything, no matter how insipid, excites you to the point of gushing exaggerated exclamations of adoration and appreciation, shut up. and neuter yourself'.

Am I saying that is necessarily the case here? No. Try to have some fucking perspective though, and remember that sycophantic overuse renders your praise worthless.
 
Teknique said:
sorry simon i disagree,

net dating sites are total let down (for me anyway) .

:(

Ah well, YMMV. I must admit, I had to chat to quite a few people, and meet up with a few, in order to meet ones that i liked, and liked me. But it can be done. Especially, as I say, as a way just of meeting a new group of people to hang out with.
 
mugen said:

IQ~N(100,15) therefore we would expect that only approximately 2.5% of the population meet even the first criterion.

Dolt.

My Dear Mugen,

Did it happen to occur to you that perhaps the post that caused your kneejerk reaction (read: showing off your superhuman knowledge of standard deviations - come to think of it, why don't you and Sally trade notes for Mrs. Grunfest's biology quiz during homeroom?) was written by ONE specific person for the purposes of assisting another ONE specific person, and as such, perhaps said post is relevant and on point to one hundred percent of that ONE specific person?

Oh . . . and thanks for the ad hom, newbie.
 
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