Ingannilo: Saying that the "Source of the #s is easy to argue with" while not offering any information at all does not make much sense. The numbers and dat I have provided are the scientific data, not my own numbers pulled out of the ether.
Saying that pods are stronger than isolated and purified morphine is totally non-sensical when , as tea, you are only gaining psychoactivity from the morphine anyway. As for it lasting so many hours, take the longest half life from ANY Of the psychoactive alakloids in Somni (even though morphine should be the only one you consider) and show me how you can be experiencing so many times longer than the longest half life!?
"Endless anecdotal evidence.": IF you look at REAL science you will see exactly why your statement makes no sense whatsoever. I mentioned the methadone thread in Advanced a couple of times in this thread already. In it I related a seminal methadone clinical truial by the 2 doctors who INVENTED MMT, and in it explained just how people claimed to be feeling euphoria from emthadone (hough one cannot because of the chemical rules involved) AS WELL AS THE DAYS (which were laternate, or 50% of the time) when they were given a pure placebo and claimed just as much euphoria across the board.
The study is only really considered when discussing Blind Dosing and Methadone's advantage in PST over morphine, etc. BUT should also be considered when discussing Placebo Theory and the worothlessness of subjective measurement when uncorroborated in discussion of euphoria in and of itself.
I have been reading my posts lately and am going to try to simplify alot of what I have been saying to make it more accessible. In other words, for the above, people think what they WISH to think, and almost always it requires very little factual basis.
You state that you have no problem with switching from well over 200 mgs. of oxycontin, TO PODS, and have no ill effects. Great. I cannot dispute what you say you feel, but I can tell you that you have no factual basis to make the claim. We know what the relevant alkaloids do, and have almost 2 centuries of data on morphine to work with.
As I said above, show us how your claim can be true. Saying "because I feel it," or correctly noting it as "anecdotal evidence" is not cutting it. If you can say "because I say so," I can as well and who is to say which one is right? One needs to explore, to investigate, and then come to an intelligent conclusion.
Question (been asked before, but here it goes again): Is psychological addiction "worse" than physical?
Can it last longer than physical?
Does Blond Dosing exist?
I can go on and on but I jhust want to show that your pooh poohing the Placebo angle is not really a good move. Is it reposnible for everything everyone feels? Of course NOT but it does have aprt in everyone's experience. We go into an experience with expectations which in turn are generated by what we are told.
It is like the kid who who lives in a sheltered environment and smokes cannabis for the 1st time, and does not feel a thing but after coughing his eyes out starts slurring his words and acting "drunk" because that is what he or she expects from his previous input. You see the point yet? Maybe not.
I also recognise that you are trying to be rational in your apprach and I applaud that (seriously) BUT I do not think you should really worry about the authorities. They only fight cases they are sure of winning (or think VERY probable in any regard). Making ANPP a "Watched Chem" is one example, but Pods have been used , in the States, since the nation was founded and pshyactively just as long. They know that were they hold a claim of "Danger" up to scrutiny, the Florist Lobby would rip it to shreds by simply supplying well accepted science.
They are already illegal through and through but to suggest they need a stronger categorisation they would have to ieintify (ANd prove) a real danger to society. Fact is, Tea is not really a danger except to the vERY naieve. By the time you consumed enough mirohine to even get physically sick (low level overdose, i.e. non-fatal o.d.) you would have been self defeated by morphine's moderate half-life. ROA inhibits any real danger because of the limitations presented by oral consumption of an extremely low bioavailable substance (remember, 1st Pass).
A very naive person CAN be in danger, absolutely as I HAVE noted. Most though? Nope.
Johanne: Yeah, you CAN conetrate it but only a tad bit. The super high solubility of morphine in VERY warm water means that it is totally dissolved. Thereofre, when you simmer it down there is not going ot be much to really concentrate. SWIM experiment's with the plant in MANY ways, over the years and up until last year really and I have never found a truly and consistent way of getting this desired reult.
the best thing? Werll we have a rule on not promoting synthesis but this is so simple that it might skirt the rule but Mods, as I am sure you will, please feel free to edit it as you see fit.
Extracting morphine from eater (i.e. "Tea") is the most simple synthesis known to man, bar none. All you do is heat, add the right propoertion of calcium, filter, reheat the filtrate in a new volume of water, and then add enough ammonium hydroxide to effect the right pH adjustment and voila! Freebase morphine always more than 50% pure, and when done right up to 80%. Notice Mods, IF it is even an issue, that I am not giving out ratios and actual requirements, just a very brusque outline.
It takes all of 6 hours. Trying to simmer your Tea to concentration will produce a very dark coloured liquid only slightly thicker than your original solution. The solubility is just too efficient, evaporation is a motherfu$#er. Well, let me be frank, you CAN make a thicker, black goo on the bottom but it is almost entirely vegetable matter.
Lawrence: It is quite OK if you do not agree withpart or all of my info. I am not a dictator, heck not even a Mod (Hahahaha) so do not worry. Papaver though is throughly quantified as to its content, etc.
Ofuk(sic): " (Rachamim) You simply do not know what the fuc% you are talking about honestly (sic).": And yet I know, with English as my 5th language, that your English is worse than mine. Go figure.
Mmm: I do not know if you meant it as dig or just simply make assumptions on your own, but I am a man. As for my "speech." I am not a native English speaker (Arabic is my 1st language), and I am a Botanist by degree so end to post, on Opiates anyway, in the only way I can manage. the do so in a more accessible way (which I am trying to do actually) takes ALOT of time.
I do have to say though, you might wish to read the entire thread. If you do, you will find that I EXPRESSLY posted that I wish for people to research the subject (and all subjects) on their own, not to follow what I or anyone else says. Ergo, your belief that I am trying to browbeat people by using thousand dollar words is compeltely off the mark to say the least.
"People dropping oxycodone habits for Pod Tea are not doing so because of the Placebo Effect.": Riiiiight...Because the thebaine in pods is how much? Because the morphine in a dead on the stalk plant is how much? No! Wait! Let us do it as Technically Ripe so that I will be giving you a point of reference in your favour, and you can even take ALL psychoactives in the plant, at Tech Ripeness, add it up and see what you think , as compared to an oxycontin addict's intake on his semi-synthetic , purified substance.
"5 pods can be equivalent to 80 mgs. of oxycontin!": I should close on that note to show how preposterous people can be when not basing their statements on fact but let it stand. To each their own. IF you are the kind of person who can get the same psychoactivity with 5 pods, that you can get from an 80 mg. oxycontin tablet, by all means, enjoy. I wonder though, since oxy is SO VERY difficult to come by now, and pods are so damn easy (and at 5 pods a dose about 10 times cheaper in the US), why is it that oxy addicts are NOT buying pods by the field?
"Always different, never measurable.": The experience? More or less correct but there ARE parameters that are. From 0 to the highest pod content known to man. Use the highest known, feel free, and see if you come anywhere close to 80 mgs.
"The thread is for safety and information.": Glad we can agree on something.
To everyone: Again I have to make it a point but the thread is naturally starting to ver into ad hom tettrritory. IF you disagree with my information, confront the info, dispute it with facts, but do not seek to antagonise me because you will only get the thread closed and possibly get yourself banned.
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