How many here have been hospitalised as a result of drugs?

[StoneHappyMonday]

I didn't expect this response from you. There's so many variables to take into account when getting high that's it's nigh on impossible to be a 'responsible drug user'. It's probable that taking the right precautions and accounting the associated risks that you can avoid the hospital. It's however the case that the drugs we take aren't pure, taking drugs whilst already inebriated is a submittal of capacity and so you can't be entirely held responsible for stupid actions. I've tried doing ridiculous things whilst having taken too many benzos. I know you could say "well, don't take so many benzos" but their very nature make you a bit careless.

Well sorry to disappoint you DS, I think that's twice I've done that now in thirteen years.

The only drug I haven't taken, from those most taken, is crack. And the drug I've taken least out of all the others is heroin, which I've only taken about a dozen times or so. So as you can see, that means I've got a pretty wide experience with most other drugs. Especially MDMA, which I believe I've probably taken on more occasions than most other people in the world.

Somehow, it must be luck, I haven't injected Ket up my arse while pissed. I haven't fallen through Christmas trees or plate glass windows on some random RC. It must be luck. I haven't been blinded by some toxic adulterant in any of the 1000 or so pills I've taken. It must be luck. I've scored exotic drugs in Asia and S America without being bust too (or hospitalised). It must be luck.

Or maybe, just maybe, I minimise the risks to the point of being sensible about things. And don't rely on luck. I don't play Russian roulette with my life. I take drugs seriously. And I take drugs to have a fucking good time. And Ive spent my life having a fucking good time. Sorry to disappoint you.

Look, I just know some smartass is going to reply to this with surly comments about me dicksizing or about how special I think I am. Or some other way to spectacularly miss the point. I happen to disagree with you that

It's nigh on impossible to be a responsible drug user

Because I've spent my life doing just that, doing what I enjoy most and that is...drugs (and sex). And if I'd thought at any time what you think, that its nigh on impossible to be a responsible drug user, I'd have packed it in for something far more dreary.

You know me DS. I'm here to tell you Drugs Are Good. Unrepentantly I've said that on this board for thirteen years. If I thought pitfalls, nay hospitalisations, we're inevitable I wouldn't preach that line.

May all your drugs be good. I just want people to enjoy what I enjoy. And I know a lot of people do.

 

[Inflorescence]

I am not trying fuel any kind of arguement here..I am in too much of a good mood. But can I ask you SHM do you consider yourself an addict or a recreational user? I think it is possible to be more responsible as a recreational user but as an addict with tolerance building you will be pushing it and as that tolerance builds up that is when some people can make mistakes and be I suppose 'irresponsible' and more reckless.

You can tell me I am completly wrong quite willing to litsen to reason. I see myself as a recreational user of different chemicals..swapping em around but I will admit to an over reliance on etz to help me sleep..that is something I am aware of and am trying to keep in check. I know I can stop everything dead...I have many times and for reasonable periods too.

But I have been reckless and made ignorant mistakes before I discovered erowid, here etc and have almost ended up in hospital.

I want all drugs to be good and fun and enjoy doing them but it only takes some cunt to sell you something as something else etc and bang hospital...

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I think being a recreational user rather than an addict is part of the decision making process Im talking about that makes hospitalisation....not inevitable. I freely admit in my first post in this thread that I've never used needles and that this probably contributes to being less likely to use hospitals through abscesses etc.

However, I'm a fucking constant recreational user. From 15-50, unbroken drug use. And never addicted to anything. Done shitloads of crystal meth. Never addicted. Shitloads of PV. That came closest. But never addicted. Never hospitalised.

I firmly believe the main danger to drug users is incarceration, not hospitalisation. If luck is required anywhere, it is there, with the police and courts.

Oh, and I don't buy my drugs from "some cunt". It's part of the decision making process.

And I'll reiterate. I have NEVER stopped taking drugs for anything anyone would call a "reasonable period".

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

This. Plus I don't use needles so no abscess shit thank god. I shudder every time I read abscess stories.

A couple of mates briefly set the record for MXE when it had just come out and they took half a g each (because my mate is STUPID with numbers). To her eternal credit his gf, who is pretty straight, came back and found them in a right state and spent hours sitting them, which included fighting one of them off and dealing with an awful lot of broken glass. She never panicked and called an ambulance - and the experience proved there was no need. Who wants to end up with tubes down their throat when there is no need?

Go Rachel, she was brilliant.

Fuck me sideways - 500mg of MXE in one go! That must have been a trip from hell! Seriously though, its because of idiotic antics like this that we've now lost an abolute gem of a drug.
I think there were just too many (probably unnecessary) hospitalisations from this sort of reckless behaviour that it got banned.

 

[maxalfie]

Ended up in hospital once to due to some heroin.
I was working 4pm to midnight shift and popped home on lunchbreak to have a hit.
I only injected half a bag instead of the whole bag which turned out to be a wise decision. I recall feeling it hit me & thinking wow this gear is fucking lovely.
Went back to work of which I have no recollection of. I was seen to be bouncing off cars in the staff carpark which made folk think I was pissed.
Got into the factory & was unable to climb the stairs and kept falling over.
I was taken to the hospital by my supervisor & left there. I woke up sometime later in a bed with sticky pads on my chest watching my heart rate etc. I recall pulling them off, getting dressed and getting a friend to take me home.
I fell asleep once home and woke up next morning & stupidly finished off the other half of the bag and slept all through Thursday without a thought that I was due back in work.
Went to work the following day where I was met by my supervisor & manager and sent back home.
An investigation was carried out & everyone who had seen the state I was in had to write a report of what they had seen.
Eventually I came clean to HR about my drug use.I was signed off work for a few months to get myself sorted on a script before I was allowed to return to work
Was extremely lucky not to lose my job.
Not bad though one incident out of over a decade of heroin usage, never even had an abcess in all that time.
Rumour was the gear had been cut with Rohypnol, not sure if that's possible or not but something was different with that gear. Another 4 people I knew had taken the same stuff & one guy had crashed out at the wheel and crashed into a petrol station after having a hit of this stuff.

 

[Shambles]

Shambles, I'll use you as an example lol, you ended up in hospital because you were drunk and trying to inject ketamine into your arse. No fucking wonder you ended up in hospital!

I don't do things like that, so I don't end up in hospital.

That's a fair comment for sure. But it's also something not so very strange out there in the world. I've seen people doing just that for years - never realised what they were doing at the time but it was basically exactly the same thing - so am fairly sure it's not just me that does such things. Booze makes ya reckless no matter who you are or what you're doing. Plenty peeps IM and/or IV drugs. Just takes somebody who happens to overlap the majesteria and there you go. Really is very easily done.

2. Heroin: I was upset about the split up of a long relationship 8-9 years. I cooked up a shot and decided that I didn't really care whether I survived or not. I did the shot, I went blue, nearly died again but Naloxone brought me around and here I am today It was fortunate I was with other people. I'm 40 days clean of Heroin now though. :D

Just so happened I told my similar(ish) tale just t'other day but t'was elsewhere so may as well even though it didn't actually involve hospital cos it really, really should've done.

Wasn't any heartbreak or wimminz involved in my instance, just so happened the gear me and my bestest buddy scored that night was a shitload better quality than usual. He collapsed in my arms - I caught him as he fell cos it was obvious he was gonna crack his head off the corner of the table. He was a lot bigger than me and I actually couldn't very easily move with dead weight on top of me and even if I could I still spent the next 20-30m or so completely panicking cos he'd gone blue-grey ashen, sweaty and generally not looking too healthy. I basically froze cos had no idea what the best thing to do was. Plus I hadn't yet had my hit so was in w/d which only made me more panicky and desperate.

At some point his breathing stopped being quite so freaky and I was able to gradually shift his weight off of me. If I'd had the slightest bit of knowledge or sense I would've called for an ambulance the moment I was able to. But I was in w/d so I decided to have my lil dig first so I could at least cope with dealing with people... and whatever had happened to friend. Next thing I know said friend was slapping me awake in a complete panic. Apparently I was grey-blue, ashen and sweaty. Not breathing so good.

We found this quite hilarious and promptly went on the piss. Again, this was a poor choice. Hindsight is a funny ol' thing but I would suggest that anybody who ever finds themselves in similar situations does it differently to how we muddled through cos it's frankly miraculous either of us survived the night.

Also, congrats on the 40 days, DS

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Fuck me sideways - 500mg of MXE in one go! That must have been a trip from hell! Seriously though, its because of idiotic antics like this that we've now lost an abolute gem of a drug.
I think there were just too many (probably unnecessary) hospitalisations from this sort of reckless behaviour that it got banned.

Nah, you're absolutely right man. Dickhead behaviour. Just one little example of being good/being not good at drugs. You don't know the difference between 0.5 and 0.05 on your scale? You shouldn't be measuring drugs man!

And look, regarding heroin. I've never been an addict, by choice, part of the decision making process. But I recognize people WILL get addicted to this drug (and others). Which is why I shout and scream from the rooftops LEGALIZE THIS SHIT. Because legal drugs and clean equipment coupled with proper education will ALLOW people to be heroin addicts, should they make that choice, without negative consequences like hospitalisation. And I will fight to my dying day for people to be allowed that choice.

 

[Chatative]

But never addicted. Never hospitalised.

I firmly believe the main danger to drug users is incarceration, not hospitalisation. If luck is required anywhere, it is there, with the police and courts.

Oh, and I don't buy my drugs from "some cunt". It's part of the decision making process.

And I'll reiterate. I have NEVER stopped taking drugs for anything anyone would call a "reasonable period".

I would agree that the negative aspects of drug taking such as incarceration & additionally mental health are greater problems that being hospitalized.

However, as to the rest... you are very fortunate not to have become addicted. Some people get addicted very easily.... you say it comes doing to the descision making process but sometimes people get in over there heads before they realise what is happening & it's too late to make choices.

I used both drugs & smoked for 3 years without ever getting addicted, then I had a psychotic episode... was put on Anti-Psychotics & suddenly I got addicted to both smoking & Meph with little say in the matter. I had no will to stop either, everything in life was shit & it was all I had... I had no choice, it just happened.

It's a slippery slope with regards to addiction & anything can tip you over even when you are in control.

There is an inherent risk, however big or small when taking drugs whether with regards to your health or other things.

Fuck me sideways - 500mg of MXE in one go! That must have been a trip from hell! Seriously though, its because of idiotic antics like this that we've now lost an abolute gem of a drug.
I think there were just too many (probably unnecessary) hospitalisations from this sort of reckless behaviour that it got banned.

In part, but it's also because of the mass-marketing of RCs to people who don't really understand what they are dealing with.

...

Back on topic - I know for a fact my hospitalizations were due to recklessness & the fact I used drugs habitually. I rarely had problems using recreationally but even recently, I've run into problems using drugs mainly due to my anxiety & health not being perfect.

I have to admit if it wasn't for my recklessness, I wouldn't have had some amazing experiences though, so I guess it was worth it, but I have to be sensible now.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Oh and hahaha, btw, it's thirteen years today. Happy BL birthday me.

 

[tunesey]

I ended up in hospital trying to get some drugs. But walked out empty handed damm tight fisted Doctors

 

[One Thousand Words]

I saw a doctor and nurse perform an erotic dance on stage then strip and dry fuck at a club night in Leicester once. That's about as close as I have got.

I'm with SHM, I have never come close to ending up in hospital and I put that down to being cautious and sensible. I don't mess with IV, I use scales or measuring instruments and perhaps most importantly I know what I am putting in my body. That requires not only testing your shit but also being fussy who you deal through. If I suspect my dealer doesn't know enough about his stuff I will make the call not to touch it. It takes will power sure, but saying my uneventful lifetime of drug use is because of luck is naive.

Poly drug use is another sticky habit to try and avoid. Chasing a high long after you should go to bed is something else I don't partake in. I usually plan my adventure before I scatter my brain, right down to deciding how many valium I might need later that night to sleep.

 

[Chatative]

Oh and hahaha, btw, it's thirteen years today. Happy BL birthday me.

Happy 13th BL day!

Fuck me... 13 years ago today I was probably having my first ever wank.

 

[Shambles]

I'm with SHM

Perhaps unsurprisingly I would disagree with the pair of ya. Whilst everything you both say is of course true, you are both completely ignoring all the environmental and genetic factors. There's more to a decision than knowing things. There's also state of mind and underlying state of mind. We don't get to control or choose those and those factors tend to be where the biggest problems lie in such areas.

 

[One Thousand Words]

The only environmental factor that protects me is the fact I have too many people who rely on me to even run the risk of fucking things up. My mantra is You play up, you still get up. I have never been one to call in sick or avoid my non drug life responsibilities. I get called a selfish prick around here more than a few times but reality is I am as far from selfish as you can get.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

If you are saying we have no control because of environmental and /or genetic factors then you are suggesting there is no free will and addiction is inevitable and I can't agree with that, largely because empirical evidence suggests otherwise.

If you read all my posts, you will see one that acknowledges addiction does happen through some drugs. And just because I still see this as, without being too judgemental, poor decision making, it is why I will fight to my dying breath for better drugs and legal conditions to minimise harm to those drug users who go down that route.

But yeah, I have a thing about free will. Ultimately we are all responsible for ourselves. Condemned to be free as Sartre put it.

Thanks for the happy BL birthday wishes Chatative/Third Eye.

 

[Shambles]

The only environmental factor that protects me is the fact I have too many people who rely on me to even run the risk of fucking things up. My mantra is You play up, you still get up. I have never been one to call in sick or avoid my non drug life responsibilities. I get called a selfish prick around here more than a few times but reality is I am as far from selfish as you can get.

I wasn't calling you selfish I was calling you ignorant - it's an entirely different thing dontcha know

If you don't believe nature and nurture play any role whatsoever in this kinda stuff you're both wrong and hypocritical cos you're using the self-same argument only ignoring the fact not everybody grows up in your precise circumstance.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I think you need to read my post above yours before you start throwing "ignorant" around.

 

[Shambles]

If you are saying we have no control because of environmental and /or genetic factors then you are suggesting there is no free will and addiction is inevitable and I can't agree with that, largely because empirical evidence suggests otherwise.

No I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying they are both factors which neither you nor OTW are taking into account when you say it's all entirely down to not being a moron. Free will is actually a rather shaky concept but will leave that aside and just stick with less philosophical aspects - genetics and environment are factors in forming every aspect of every person's life. I can't really see how there's any denying that however much anybody wishes to pretend they're just better at life than mere mortals.

I think you need to read my post above yours before you start throwing "ignorant" around.

We posted simultaneously so I didn't see your post hence replying secondly. I'm still tossing the word 'ignorant' around but presuming both are well enough aware of use of language to see that it may be only partially intended as generally meant. It was just too much fun to say it to OTW in context is all

 

[One Thousand Words]

Yet not a single person becomes addicted their first hit, just as not every single person from a disadvantaged background uses drugs as a crutch. It still comes down to personal choice at some time in their life. I'm not saying once addicted it makes it any easier to quit either. However long term Bluelighters who have this forums vast array of knowledge at their disposal who still decide to push the boundaries of sensible drug taking only have themselves to blame, not their social position or genetics.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I love all this "I'm not gonna argue my point" stuff. Good grief. And the loaded term "moron" doesn't do a lot for me to believe you're following my argument either Shambles.

C'est la bleedin' vie.

My best friend just died through poor decision making. That you equate that with me calling him a moron I find quite offensive.