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How I kicked opiates by using loperamide - my story.

Read my story. Do not try this. Do not try this. Do not try this.
i never tried it i git kratom instead and have been on it for ten days today im going to stay on it for 2 weeks another 4 days and i think most if not all the low dose subutex will be out of my receptors and il just deal with the kratom detox iv read to many horror stories about loperamide now,dont get me wrong if i need to take 2 or 3 for my guts then i will not above that though,thanks for the advice
 
i never tried it i git kratom instead and have been on it for ten days today im going to stay on it for 2 weeks another 4 days and i think most if not all the low dose subutex will be out of my receptors and il just deal with the kratom detox iv read to many horror stories about loperamide now,dont get me wrong if i need to take 2 or 3 for my guts then i will not above that though,thanks for the advice
I should of stuck with Kratom and I'll be forever sorry now!
 
No, I haven't been stuck in a bog. That's the whole point! I've been living my life.

What loperamide can do that methadone and buprenorphine cannot is get you high. Loperamide is also available without a prescription, as I've already mentioned several times... cheaply and over-the-counter. It's a very strong opioid, and almost nobody is aware of this. Especially not John Q Public.

You can go into withdrawals just as severe as morphine if you suddenly stop taking loperamide, but what loperamide can also do is negate the bother and fuss of rehab. That is, if you are lucky enough to afford rehab, or lucky enough to have insurance, or you're lucky enough to live in a country that provides free healthcare. Many people simply aren't lucky.

What would you suggest for someone with no means? Someone who is destitute, and desperate? what kind of advice would you offer? Have you actually gone to the trouble, years and years of trouble, to figure a way out of this desperate situation? What have you done to try to make things better? What kind of hellish nightmares have you endured, by basically experimenting upon yourself for the common good?

What exactly have you done to try to ease the suffering of others? What kind of plan have you come up with that might offer a solution to alleviate the suffering of others, where a solution otherwise is simply not available?

What have you done? I know what I did. I've shared it all here, and you can either take it or leave it.

What I'm offering here is a solution. It's not perfect. Rehab isn't perfect, either. Neither are the normally prescribed drugs which are designed as treatment methods for opioid addicts.

What I'm offering is completely unconventional. Shocking. Likely to be disbelieved. Likely to be met with an equal and opposing force.

I don't don't give a fuck. if somebody reads my original post and benefits from it too, that's my purpose. To help. I'm not interested in arguing, going over semantics, debating the value of this treatment over another treatment, or whatever the hell.

My primary motivation is empathy. To help. Doctors can fail you. Conventional treatments can fail you. This treatment might fail you.

All all of that changes nothing. It's a method that works. An imperfect method, but one which I've proven by using myself as my own test subject. I've already taken the risks, and I've proven that it can be done.

If someone wants to take my advice, great! I hope it works for you like it did for me. It may not be perfect, but in a lot of situations, what I have discovered may be the only choice for addicts who are otherwise completely desperate and with no other option.

That's it. I've proven that taking loperamide can be an extremely effective method of self treatment for kicking an opioid habit. If you can afford rehab, and the conventional medicine, and the therapy, and all of that shit that requires money, then go for it! I wish you luck.

For anyone else without any other means, I've already done the legwork.I've already applied the brains inside my noggin toward the discovery of an unconventional way out of a situation which can pretty much be described as hell on Earth.

I've done the thinking out of the box. I've reacted to a desperate situation by using intelligence to solve a problem. I've discovered an unconventional treatment for opioid addiction that works.
Ok but how do you avoid life threatening constipation? I took too many doses for diarrhea once and oh gosh my back hurt so bad the next day.
 
Hello, Bluelighters.

I haven't posted here in a while. It's been almost a decade actually, and long since I kicked my opioid habit...

But I have a story to tell. Hopefully someone will benefit from it, if the information I'm about to present isn't already widely known by now.
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This is how I finally managed to kick opiates. I figured it out all by myself, and I did it all by myself. No rehab or anything. This was many years ago, back in 2007, so maybe some folks are more widely aware of it by now. I hope so.

Anyway.

My opioid habit started in 2000, for no other reason than a relentless, agonizing toothache which just would not go away! I was 29 at the time, and had never had any problems with substance abuse.

My grandmother, suffering from rheumatoid arthritis, was practically awash with painkillers that she would save up. I'm talking drug dealer amounts! I didn't go to her seeking drugs, but when I complained about my toothache to her, well. My grandmother did what grandmothers are wont to do for their suffering grandchildren:

"Here honey," she said, handing me a large zip-lock baggie absolutely crammed with at least a hundred of those purple, 10 mg hydrocodones. "Take a couple of these when it hurts."

Ok, thought I. I took two right then and there, and went home. It only took thirty minutes within taking my first opioid to fall head over heels in love with opiates.

This continued until 2004. At that time, grandmother was giving me hydrocodone, tramadol, morphine sulphate, darvons, oxycontin, oxycodone, codeine cough syrup - anything she had that she'd either give to me, or stashes of hidden pills I'd manage to discover for myself when she wasn't aware of it.

I had become an addict, and the problem was becoming obvious. Slowly, over the course of a few months, grandmother began to cut me off from her pills until, finally, I didn't have a drug dealer anymore.

So I got creative.

I ordered poppy pods regularly from eBay. Back then they were readily available. I began buying poppy seeds in bulk wherever I could, and through trial and error, perfected the process of making poppy seed tea. My drug dealers had become eBay, grocery stores like Central Market and Fiesta, arts and craft stores like Joann's and Michaels, and online bulk suppliers of poppy seeds.

I continued this way for three more years, until it began to become apparent to the proprietors of these sources that I, and possibly a few others, were obtaining ridiculous quantities of practically pure morphine, and perfectly legally.

In July of 2007, my legal sources were starting to catch on and began to dry up. You couldn't order poppy pods on eBay anymore. Bulk suppliers of poppy seeds were shipping seeds which had been 'washed', with no morphine. Arts and crafts stores dried up. Grocery stores dried up.

EVERYBODY dried up. I had never made an illegal drug purchase on the streets, and didn't know how. I didn't have any experience with it.

Sometimes, very rarely, I'd be able to get my hands on some good poppy seeds by driving from Dallas, where I lived, to Austin, where their stores remained relatively untouched by the rare bird such as myself.

I couldn't afford, nor did I have the time, to do that regularly, however. I began to experience withdrawals more and more frequently, in between the rare fix I was able to locate once in a while, by locating grocery stores online within a reasonable radius of where I lived in Dallas, which I hadn't plundered yet.

During this time of habitual opioid abuse, I ran across an interesting tidbit of info online - that loperamide, commercially known as Imodium, is an opioid.

I also learned, by doing some more research, that loperamide was originally developed decades ago as a powerful pain management tool. However, when they realized that loperamide didn't cross the blood-brain barrier, and had no effect on pain whatsoever, they marketed it instead as an anti-diarrheal, to which it proved to be extremely effective, with a practically non-existent potential for abuse. It doesn't get you high.

One day while I was experiencing one of those full-blown opiate withdrawal episodes, I remembered this fact about loperamide - that it was originally developed for pain management, and that it was, in fact, an opioid.

My reasoning went like this...

"Loperamide. That rings a bell for some reason. Shit. I'm in full blown withdrawal mode. This sucks! But loperamide... didn't I read somewhere that loperamide was originally developed as a painkiller? That it is, in fact, a bonafide opioid? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. What the hell, I'm ready to try anything! Maybe, just maybe, if I take enough loperamide, gradually and carefully, it might at least help to curb these godawful withdrawals."

I drove to the grocery store. Oh my God! Imodium was expensive! $12 for 24 2mg pills! I looked around some more and discovered a generic brand. $3 for one bottle of generic Imodium, containing 48 2mg loperamide pills. Wow! Much cheaper. I spent $6 and purchased two bottles.

I was right smack dab in the middle of full on, merciless opiate withdrawals. They don't get any worse than what I was experiencing. I don't know about IV users, because I've never injected anything... but my own brand of opioid withdrawals were bad enough. I'd been a user for seven years, so I had plenty of experience with withdrawals, enough to recognize when the suffering was at it's peak.

Anyway. I got home, sat down on the couch, switched on the tube for some distraction, and formulated a plan. Before I actually began with what basically amounted to as an experiment on myself, I wanted to structure it. I wanted to be careful. I definitely didn't want to wind up constipated and trying to shit the equivalent of a pinecone through the rough, dry hole of a brick. That would have just been icing on top of the cake of experiencing withdrawals at their worst.

So I proceeded thusly. After I'd gotten home and settled, I opened one of those bottles and took two loperamide pills, the recommended dosage indicated on the bottle. I timed myself... like I said, I wanted to be careful. After exactly 15 minutes, I took two more loperamide pills. I timed myself again. 15 minutes later, I took two more.

I sat on the couch, watching the tube, and continued this carefully timed process of taking two loperamide pills every fifteen minutes. Then, about two hours into the experiment...

To my amazement, I noticed a significant change. My withdrawals were starting to fade! They weren't gone completely, but they were definitely at least cut in half! I thought to myself, excitedly...

"Oh my God. What have I just discovered?"

I continued for another 2 hours, taking two pills, every fifteen minutes. It took four hours, but after that, my withdrawals were completely gone! Again, I thought excitedly:

"What a discovery I've made! Nobody else knows about this! I've never seen it mentioned anywhere on Bluelight! Does anyone else in the entire world know that you can erase opioid withdrawals completely, easily, and cheaply, with an over the counter, generic form of Imodium??"

The only tools I'd ever known about which were used for managing opioid addiction were suboxone and methadone, both of which have the potential for abuse.

However, loperamide doesn't get you high at all, but it definitely erases opiate withdrawals!

I was tremendously excited.

I thought, "Maybe I can make use of this cheap, readily available thing called loperamide to break these shackles of addiction on my own, without the expense of rehab, doctors, therapists, and other far more expensive drugs for treating opioid addiction, and all the while, keeping it completely to myself! It can remain a private problem, one for me and only me to solve, without having to involve anyone else! Nobody will ever even know what I'm doing! Oh my God, I can't believe I've discovered this, and apparently, nobody else knows about it!"

So the next stage of the experiment began. That summer of 2007, I began taking loperamide regularly to keep withdrawals from developing. It continued to work. I spent the next few years utilizing this method of self-treatment, while slowly tapering down my dosage. Every now and then I would taper it too much, and I'd start to experience withdrawals. I'd up my dose for a little while, then continue the tapering process.

Sometimes I would despair that I'd never be able to kick this new habit, of replacing actual drugs with loperamide in order to eventually erase opioids from my life, but I persevered. Like I've mentioned, this was a years long process of self-experimentation.

It took a few years, longer than I'd expected it to take when I began, but eventually I was able to taper myself off of loperamide with absolutely zero withdrawal symptoms.

I was finally free!

Sure, it cost some money to get my loperamide fix every day so I could function, but it was relatively cheap, I could afford it, and damn it, it was worth it! Loperamide works unheard of wonders for opiate withdrawals, and I wish more addicts knew about this. I hope more addicts know about it now, several years after my own experience.

I've been off of opioids now for almost ten years, and I'm pretty proud of myself, if I do say so, for figuring this shit out on my own.

I just wish more people knew about it. I don't know how many people nowadays, more than a decade after figuring it out for myself, are aware of loperamide as a tool for managing withdrawals, but it's my intention here to supply this information - that you can use an easily obtained, cheap, over the counter medication as a powerful and effective self-treatment program to kick the godawful affliction of opioid addiction. No rehab or doctors or withdrawals necessary.

It can probably be accomplished a lot more quickly than the several years it took for me to kick opioids, by tapering with loperamide, but I was forging my way through uncharted territory.

During those years of self-treatment using loperamide, I was functional, able to work, and didn't have to live in constant fear of imminent withdrawals.

And I eventually succeeded.

That's how I kicked opioids, by using an over-the-counter, generic, extremely less expensive form of Imodium.

Loperamide.

I kicked opiates with it, and I haven't looked back since.

I hope this helps some people who may be currently struggling with opioid addiction.
Could you tell me how much lope you were taking and how much and how often you cut back when tapering? Daily? Weekly? Im currently trying to taper off it as well but i havent seen anyone on here explain how they tapered so could you please explain to me exactly how much you were on before taper and how much/how quickly you cut back? I know everyone’s different and is on different amounts of lope but would love to hear the nitty gritty of your personal taper to maybe give me an idea on how to do it myself. Would really appreciate it. Thanks
 
Could you tell me how much lope you were taking and how much and how often you cut back when tapering? Daily? Weekly? Im currently trying to taper off it as well but i havent seen anyone on here explain how they tapered so could you please explain to me exactly how much you were on before taper and how much/how quickly you cut back? I know everyone’s different and is on different amounts of lope but would love to hear the nitty gritty of your personal taper to maybe give me an idea on how to do it myself. Would really appreciate it. Thanks
You don’t want to us loperamide to taper. did you read the rest of the thread where people talk about how dangerous it is? Where someone shares how it gave them a heart attack and now they have heart problems for the rest of their life?

use kratom, go to a dr and get on suboxone or methadone, taper of the stuff you are using and then use Imodium as it says on the box for the symptoms it is designed to treat

taking large quantities of loperamide causing heart damage and you will become addicted to the loperamide and have to keep taking it and taper off loperamide the withdrawals from it are supposedly severe as well.

Loperamide abuse and overdose, such as in doses of 70 mg per day or higher, increases the risk of adverse effects such as CNS depression, respiratory depression, and cardiac toxicity. Cardiac toxicity from overdoses may lead to life-threatening QTc and QRS prolongation, torsades de pointes, Brugada syndrome, ventricular arrhythmias, and cardiac arrest



 
Yeah people need to stop recommending massive doses of loperamide for opiate WD. The dangers are pretty clear and it's still an opioid (though a very toxic one) after all so it will probably prolong the WDs.



And this is nonsense.

No, it is not. Taking megadoses of loperamide, say 100mg or even more for an extended period is dangerous, stupid and will likely get you hooked. However, taking 20-30mg when withdrawal kicks in fully is a godsend gamechanger. Unlike "real" centrally acting opioids, 20-30mg just suppress peripheral withdrawal and turn hell on earth into a miserable but semi functional and bearable condition. The loperamide basically satisfies your body while your brain withdraws. Also, loperamide can be tapered without any issues, it is long acting and does not give you any central effect at 20mg, really none. Thus, even a hopeless opiate addict such as me can taper the lope without emotion or craving, just take 2mg less every day. I could never ever taper a real opioid, just cannot do it.

So, by scaring people away from loperamide, you are basically subjecting them to unnecessary torture. Loperamide was officially tested up to 16mg per day and is almost free of side effects besides constipation. If 16mg are officially and totally safe, surely 20-30mg will be fine for a week or so. Take a sensible dose that takes away 50-70% of the pain and start tapering immediately. It is like a "get out of jail (almost) free card".
 
No, I haven't been stuck in a bog. That's the whole point! I've been living my life.

What loperamide can do that methadone and buprenorphine cannot is get you high. Loperamide is also available without a prescription, as I've already mentioned several times... cheaply and over-the-counter. It's a very strong opioid, and almost nobody is aware of this. Especially not John Q Public.

You can go into withdrawals just as severe as morphine if you suddenly stop taking loperamide, but what loperamide can also do is negate the bother and fuss of rehab. That is, if you are lucky enough to afford rehab, or lucky enough to have insurance, or you're lucky enough to live in a country that provides free healthcare. Many people simply aren't lucky.

What would you suggest for someone with no means? Someone who is destitute, and desperate? what kind of advice would you offer? Have you actually gone to the trouble, years and years of trouble, to figure a way out of this desperate situation? What have you done to try to make things better? What kind of hellish nightmares have you endured, by basically experimenting upon yourself for the common good?

What exactly have you done to try to ease the suffering of others? What kind of plan have you come up with that might offer a solution to alleviate the suffering of others, where a solution otherwise is simply not available?

What have you done? I know what I did. I've shared it all here, and you can either take it or leave it.

What I'm offering here is a solution. It's not perfect. Rehab isn't perfect, either. Neither are the normally prescribed drugs which are designed as treatment methods for opioid addicts.

What I'm offering is completely unconventional. Shocking. Likely to be disbelieved. Likely to be met with an equal and opposing force.

I don't don't give a fuck. if somebody reads my original post and benefits from it too, that's my purpose. To help. I'm not interested in arguing, going over semantics, debating the value of this treatment over another treatment, or whatever the hell.

My primary motivation is empathy. To help. Doctors can fail you. Conventional treatments can fail you. This treatment might fail you.

All all of that changes nothing. It's a method that works. An imperfect method, but one which I've proven by using myself as my own test subject. I've already taken the risks, and I've proven that it can be done.

If someone wants to take my advice, great! I hope it works for you like it did for me. It may not be perfect, but in a lot of situations, what I have discovered may be the only choice for addicts who are otherwise completely desperate and with no other option.

That's it. I've proven that taking loperamide can be an extremely effective method of self treatment for kicking an opioid habit. If you can afford rehab, and the conventional medicine, and the therapy, and all of that shit that requires money, then go for it! I wish you luck.

For anyone else without any other means, I've already done the legwork.I've already applied the brains inside my noggin toward the discovery of an unconventional way out of a situation which can pretty much be described as hell on Earth.

I've done the thinking out of the box. I've reacted to a desperate situation by using intelligence to solve a problem. I've discovered an unconventional treatment for opioid addiction that works.
God, THANK YOU @malfunkshun
I always thought this could work. I know it can work. You are proof and your words are literally saving a life right now.
Thank you so much.
So much good karma and luck sealed with my love to you.

I have been literally thinking suicide was the only way out.
I also have been hurt bad, near death experience, came back to take care of my dad through what they call “double Parkinson’s Disease”, took care of my mom through it, still taking care of my mom. She is 84 and we do not have a lot of money.
I have used up my savings, I have insurance at least. My pain management doctor just up and retired. Just gone.
I am trying to get into a new doctor but that is going to take time.
I am facing morphine and gabapentin withdrawal soon.
Scared to death. Thinking gunshot may be better option.

I am going to try the loperamide and do it carefully and taper down on it to my comfort.
I am still reading your post but just wanted to say Thank you.

There is no argument for your words! Nice job on telling it like it is!
This can work. You just have to be careful, listen to your body and take as little as you can get by with.
This is HOPE
God Bless.
❤️🎵☀️
 
Well, just on lope now.
Going to be out of gabapentin soon too.

I am having a hard time getting referral and medical records from doctor who just retired. Up and left.

I don’t feel too bad but sleep is very broken.
At least I am getting some sleep.
Coming off 90 mg morphine a day.

Trying to keep a mental tough attitude.
If it gets too bad, I will go to the emergency room.
My brother brought me some cannabis gummies that help a lot.

I am just worried what is going to happen with no gabapentin too.
Plus, I am injured, chronic pain badly.

Praying for assistance.
🙏
 
I do remember that one time I made it for 14 days with just loperamide and I was actually thinking about just continuing with that and tapering down on that.
I was feeling better in some ways.
I just don’t think my liver can handle it as I have had liver failure and it is a dirty opioid.
That is why I had to have the very pure morphine, my liver.

yeah, this is scary.
 
It's either a quantity of life or a quality of life.

The quantity of life is trying to prolong the pain with the risks outweighing the benefits. The loperamide will alleviate the suffering and definitely have a relieving effect however can cause rapid decline in health issues that can lead to very ill side effects as well as helping with the relief that is needed and is imperative. Health is so important and should be a priority but is not at all a concern when needed proper pain support but not being able to find in current situations with medical criterias. And is extremely depressing as a civilization.

Quality of life is to be able to have the cleanest medication as possible that will not be detrimental to health of the body and mind as a whole. Also compassionate support and empathy and understanding in the medical field.

I wish I could help you. I really would. If I could I would send you all of my medication or a large amount or even two or three doses if I could. But I cannot. I am having difficulty getting prescribed medication that has to do with any kind of pain relief.

My pain management had to move all the way to the other side of El Paso TX. And has to start all over. Just like I do. I cannot drive all the way to another state for hours and hours to have to get medication and appointments. And who knows how long that location will even last.

I am being sent to the psychology dept. I have to ask where I can get pain management. And WAIT for appointments. And of course the psychologist will say you have to ask your medical doctor. And my medical doctor will say you have to go to pain management to get 'prescribed.' And then he will say but we don't have a pain management anywhere near anymore and we are now 'limited.'

And the others - the other doctors that were helping me also . . . claim that they do not want to be bothered with 'prescribing' anymore because they are too busy to be worried about losing their licences. Which does happen like it did to my original "Pain Management Doctor." And then the hospitals say go ask your doctor for a referral. And then the doctor said it's a very long way to travel. And then I think to myself that this isn't even functional trying to find help anywhere at all. They don't want to lose their licence !!! For what . . . being a doctor and doing their jobs. . . . . And the stuff out in the dark and streets are so bad and dirty and contaminated . . and some can do no good at all.

My point is that if I could give you my medication to try to help you I would give it up in a fraction of no time. However, I can't get medicine anymore and am running out of places to go. I see similarities to what many others are going through to what is just happening everywhere. I don't know what is going on with the medical system also but sometimes I wonder if it is part of some kind of great reset as well. I don't understand why . . . but I do know that you are suffering and I wish that I could help . . . but there should be some professional medical help that is just so difficult to reveal anywhere for me right now. I hope this all doesn't lead to tragedy and seems so very unreal and unfair. I hope we will all be able to endure somehow or at least stay safe.

I am sorry I had to write all of this and so very much. But this is very traumatic for me right now. So very heavy. And sad !

I didn't proof read this but am just trying to express how much this is so heartbreaking.
I do remember that one time I made it for 14 days with just loperamide and I was actually thinking about just continuing with that and tapering down on that.
I was feeling better in some ways.
I just don’t think my liver can handle it as I have had liver failure and it is a dirty opioid.
That is why I had to have the very pure morphine, my liver.

yeah, this is scary.
 
Thank you @kiely
I am so sorry that you are in this situation too.

yeah, the medical situation is a joke.
If nothing else, the pharmacy and the insurance company have medical records. Right ?
they paid all the claims.
I am Still hoping my insurance company pulls through for me.
Trying to remain calm.

Just on loperamide now and thank god, I at least have my clonazepam but that is limited.
I really have to find another doctor soon.
My life depends upon it.
I feel like the sword is at my throat.
This is scary and should not happen to good people with good backgrounds etc..

Might have to go to emergency room...?
I don’t know what else to do.
 
Hey guys,

I need some advise on starting suboxone.
My doctor retired after 16 years chronic pain treatment. Spine injuries.
There are no other doctors I can find.
My old doctor said that no doctors are prescribing morphine anymore and I must switch over to suboxone.

I have been taking loperamide for about 7 days.
But, I have still been sick.
Just not as sick as I would be going from 90 mg MS Contin a day to zero.

If I start to taper up on the suboxone would that be alright?
Or no, you have to be in major withdrawal?
Please help.

Thank you friends.
🙏
 
Hey guys,

I need some advise on starting suboxone.
My doctor retired after 16 years chronic pain treatment. Spine injuries.
There are no other doctors I can find.
My old doctor said that no doctors are prescribing morphine anymore and I must switch over to suboxone.

I have been taking loperamide for about 7 days.
But, I have still been sick.
Just not as sick as I would be going from 90 mg MS Contin a day to zero.

If I start to taper up on the suboxone would that be alright?
Or no, you have to be in major withdrawal?
Please help.

Thank you friends.
🙏
Do you have the subs now ? And how long since you have had any morphine? Are you just on lope ( which is fine....no PW from that )

You could take 4 mgs of sub right now and be right as rain if you have them.
 
I am waiting on the doctor getting the prescription to the pharmacy but yeah, hope to have some soon.

I haven’t had a morphine for 8 days. I am so cranky and starting to feel real sick.

Would I be okay just to start the suboxone ?
 
I am waiting on the doctor getting the prescription to the pharmacy but yeah, hope to have some soon.

I haven’t had a morphine for 8 days. I am so cranky and starting to feel real sick.

Would I be okay just to start the suboxone ?
Yes, you can start them right away. You are tolerant to opioids so start with 2 mgs. See how you feel. Wait an hour. If you need more take another mg.

See if 4 mgs will hold ya. If it does stop there then re-dose 2 mgs when you start to feel ill again. Once you are stable keep your dose as low as possible.

Have a great evening and I'm happy you got the subs. You will feel better soon. :cheer:
 
Yes, you can start them right away. You are tolerant to opioids so start with 2 mgs. See how you feel. Wait an hour. If you need more take another mg.

See if 4 mgs will hold ya. If it does stop there then re-dose 2 mgs when you start to feel ill again. Once you are stable keep your dose as low as possible.

Have a great evening and I'm happy you got the subs. You will feel better soon. :cheer:
Thank you so much.
I really appreciate your guidance and cheering me one.
I feel so bad.
I hope they get them called over soon.
this is terrifying.
 
I got the suboxone.
Thank God, it helped.
I have seriously been thinking about suicide.
No doctor would take me due to me being prescribed morphine.
I have been going through hell.

This suboxone is not as comfy.
I have a bit of a headache.
It is livable though.

What is the point of switching me to suboxone?
is this not stronger than the MS Contin?
 
I got the suboxone.
Thank God, it helped.
I have seriously been thinking about suicide.
No doctor would take me due to me being prescribed morphine.
I have been going through hell.

This suboxone is not as comfy.
I have a bit of a headache.
It is livable though.

What is the point of switching me to suboxone?
is this not stronger than the MS Contin?
Glad you got the subs. At least they made you feel better. They switched you because they are fucks. They throw subs at everyone now and take away their previous meds because in their eyes we are all a bunch of addicts. They think subs are great for pain and that they aren't abuse-able or as easily diverted ( which both are untrue ) and they're idiots who don't want to deal with pain patients anymore and subs were the answer.

Subs give me a headache too. They make me feel heavy and sleepy but not in a good way. I've had people try to give them away and even when I used I turned them down. I'm sure buprenorphine has it's merits and it's good aspects but too many people got switched to them that shouldn't have.

All you can do at this point I guess is be glad that you have something but I know you feel betrayed by the current system of health care we have now.
 
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